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[Icefire1424]

Two very, very important questions here:

1.) Why, for the love of God and all that is Holy is every civilized country in a position to do something here NOT doing anything here?

2.) How is it that GAF is the first place I'm hearing about this in such detail? All we get news wise in the states is an occasional blurb that chemical weapons may have been used on Syrian civilians, and then the story is dropped for whatever else is going on.

Just...argh! I mean...words...aren't enough. So very, VERY screwed up...shflaksjdhflkashdfklja...

/Continues raging in general direction of wall...

 

[Icefire1424]

US tried to vote for UNSC resolution. China and Russia vetoed it.

HOW COULD ANYONE WITH A SHRED OF HUMANITY VETO INTERVENTION?!?!

I get it, opposition bad. But this shit really can't just continue without any action whatsoever, can it? Take out those responsible, and as much as I hate to say it, police the state to ensure the opposition doesn't do the same. I understand that installing an interim police force (or whatever) is an unattractive proposition, but seriously, anything has got to be better than what's going on now.

And wow, apologies for the rant, but damn this got me worked up...

 

[remnant]

HOW COULD ANYONE WITH A SHRED OF HUMANITY VETO INTERVENTION?!?!

I get it, opposition bad. But this shit really can't just continue without any action whatsoever, can it? Take out those responsible, and as much as I hate to say it, police the state to ensure the opposition doesn't do the same. I understand that installing an interim police force (or whatever) is an unattractive proposition, but seriously, anything has got to be better than what's going on now.

And wow, apologies for the rant, but damn this got me worked up...

Because it wouldn't work or solve anything.

Don't see why you think getting UN forces killed will solve anything

 

[jerry1594]

I'm at a loss for words

 

[SoulPlaya]

HOW COULD ANYONE WITH A SHRED OF HUMANITY VETO INTERVENTION?!?!

I get it, opposition bad. But this shit really can't just continue without any action whatsoever, can it? Take out those responsible, and as much as I hate to say it, police the state to ensure the opposition doesn't do the same. I understand that installing an interim police force (or whatever) is an unattractive proposition, but seriously, anything has got to be better than what's going on now.

And wow, apologies for the rant, but damn this got me worked up...

Because as it's been shown, it just doesn't work. There is no "interim police force". You either occupy forever, or you hand over power, and watch the country sink back into an even worse state than it started.

This is the Middle East, all options involve choosing the lesser of two evils.

 

[I-hate-u]

The situation in the Middle East truly seems hopeless. What could we do when the side opposing Assad's Syria is at least just as bad as him. Maybe even worse in the end, since ISIS is vehemently against the west and would most likely start executing terrorist attacks against us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

WARNING! Extremely graphic and obviously NSFW video of mass executions carried out by militants of the Islamic State:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fd_1406604477

What the fuck is wrong with these people? How can these imbeciles think what they are doing has anything to do with Islam? Do these people not know their own religion?

 

[Icefire1424]

Some news resources cover these types of events well. The Guardian, for example.

Many thanks for that. Seems quite a few major news outlets (and unfortunately the ones I keep tabs on, it would seem), really don't see this as attention worthy.

Because it wouldn't work or solve anything.

Don't see why you think getting UN forces killed will solve anything

My personal sentiment is that the inevitable loss of life within UN Forces is well worth the cost if it means putting an end to, or even intervening with the murder of innocent civilians who have no way to defend themselves.

Because as it's been shown, it just doesn't work. There is no "interim police force". You either occupy forever, or you hand over power, and watch the country sink back into an even worse state than it started.

This is the Middle East, all options involve choosing the lesser of two evils.

/Sigh, and you may be right. It just depresses me to no end that shit like this goes on unhindered, and no one seems to have a clue how to address the situation. You are correct in that it's been attempted before - power being handed over to an "appointed" leader, which invariably fails. I neglected to recall that.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

and why the fuck are people and media are keeping quiet about this. I feel so annoyed and helpless about both situations in Gaza and Syria. FUCK.

You're NOT alone. Many of us feel the same way.

 

[AstroNut325]

What the fuck is wrong with these people? How can these imbeciles think what they are doing has anything to do with Islam? Do these people not know their own religion?

Throughout history... more people have lost their lives due to religion than compared to everything else.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Damn, did not think i would see this kind of shit in my lifetime. .

You missed all the action for decades in Somalia, Sudan, Rwanda, and Southeast Asia?

 

[Skyzard]

Edit:
Turns out he'd taken a lot of photos, just reading this from the bbc link now:
http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1390226674736/syria-report-execution-tort.pdf

Uhhhh, it does say some had no eyes.

At least no children:

The vast majority of the images were of young men most likely between the ages of twenty and forty, with a minority more likely to be up to sixty years old. There were no children. Within the images seen there was only one female body and this was clothed and showed no evidence of injury.
The bodies were mostly unclothed or minimally clothed.

Seems like they are prisoners, possibly rebels who were killed under detention, quite a lot of whom were starved and tortured.

That is a lot less surprising than a concentration camp like practice, which is what he wanted it to seem like:

At the time “Caesar ”was planning to defect, he had someone in his section take photographs of a group of bodies to show that the place “
looked like a slaughterhouse”. The excuse he gave for group photographs to his colleagues was that in case they had missed a body they could go back to the group photograph. “
"Caesar” told the inquiry team that he did all this “for the sake of Syria and the Syrian people so that the killers could be prosecuted to
achieve justice ”

I can understand why he'd do that. It just seemed really odd initially. I imagine the actual places aren't much better.

 

[speculawyer]

HOW COULD ANYONE WITH A SHRED OF HUMANITY VETO INTERVENTION?!?!

I get it, opposition bad. But this shit really can't just continue without any action whatsoever, can it? Take out those responsible, and as much as I hate to say it, police the state to ensure the opposition doesn't do the same. I understand that installing an interim police force (or whatever) is an unattractive proposition, but seriously, anything has got to be better than what's going on now.

And wow, apologies for the rant, but damn this got me worked up...

Because Putin backs Assad and has a naval base there. And China tends to block most resolution dealing with anyone's internal affairs.

Basically, it is Putin's client state and "China don't care".

 

[SpartanForce]

When I made a thread saying violence/war is on the human main side people said I was full of shit. I don't even care anymore.

 

[Windam]

Fuck. :/

 

[I-hate-u]

Throughout history... more people have lost their lives due to religion than compared to everything else.

Its not the fault of the religion. Some people are just fucked in the head and are mad with power.

 

[Joeki11a]

Who put this crazy in power?

 

[LJ11]

It's going to sound crazy, but I feel like I've become desensitized as of late. All this senseless killing has left me numb, don't feel much anymore when seeing some of this stuff.

 

[Icefire1424]

Because Putin backs Assad and has a naval base there. And China tends to block most resolution dealing with anyone's internal affairs.

Basically, it is Putin's client state and "China don't care".

Thank you for the clarification. I recall reading that China does try to limit involvement with foreign affairs unless it impacts them directly, but I couldn't understand how Russia was involved.

Does this have anything to do with the sanctions the US and the rest of the world are imposing on Russia, or is that strictly directed towards the Ukrainian crisis?

 

[AstroNut325]

Its not the fault of the religion. Some people are just fucked in the head and are mad with power.

I stand corrected. Yes. I should have been more articulated in my post. I meant that more lives have been lost in the name of religion than anything else.

 

[SpartanForce]

Here it is: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthr...oes+humanity+only+know+how+to+kill+each+other

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Concentration camps is quite tragically apt.

Yeah, hit the nail right on the head.

 

[I-hate-u]

I stand corrected. Yes. I should have been more articulated in my post. I meant that more lives have been lost in the name of religion than anything else.

I agree. Cowards these people are.

 

[Jinaar]

I hope the Western leaders will be asked about this in a public forum and have to answer what can/should be done.

 

[Aim_Ed]

The situation in the Middle East truly seems hopeless. What could we do when the side opposing Assad's Syria is at least just as bad as him. Maybe even worse in the end, since ISIS is vehemently against the west and would most likely start executing terrorist attacks against us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

WARNING! Extremely graphic and obviously NSFW video of mass executions carried out by militants of the Islamic State:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fd_1406604477

I'm awful for ignoring warnings every damn time.

 

[BajiBoxer]

why dont people give a fuck about this more

It's not that I don't give a fuck, but I have little faith in my government's ability to make things right.

 

[PJV3]

I hope the Western leaders will be asked about this in a public forum and have to answer what can/should be done.

This stuff has been going on in Syria for centuries, the west hasn't got an answer for it. That is depressing but it needs the rivalry within islam to be dealt with to sort it out.

 

[Alebrije]

We nene a thread of puppies and cats , nice cute one.


Seriously, how can we easily be living out lifestyle when this happens to other human beings? And i mean easily because our daily problems are a candy compared with what those people are living.

 

[Yamauchi]

The death throes of another Frankenstein state, just like Iraq next door. Horrible.

The recent history of the Middle East has proven time and again that either the region's poorly drawn national borders will have to be redrawn to reflect the demographic realities on the ground or the region's demographic realities will be altered to reflect those borders.

 

[UnObtainium17]

Jesus christ.. those videos and pictures gave me chest pains. I wish i could unsee those. We need a real life deatstroke or bullseye to take out these fools in power.

 

[LNBL]

HOW COULD ANYONE WITH A SHRED OF HUMANITY VETO INTERVENTION?!?!

I get it, opposition bad. But this shit really can't just continue without any action whatsoever, can it? Take out those responsible, and as much as I hate to say it, police the state to ensure the opposition doesn't do the same. I understand that installing an interim police force (or whatever) is an unattractive proposition, but seriously, anything has got to be better than what's going on now.

And wow, apologies for the rant, but damn this got me worked up...

They veto for the same reason the US Veto's inquiries into the Gaza assault, they all have personal agendas that are tied to these countries. Agreeing to such inverventions or investigations goes against their own interests.

There is no other explanation than that.

 

[Jag]

The death throes of another Frankenstein state, just like Iraq next door. Horrible.

The recent history of the Middle East has proven time and again that either the region's poorly drawn national borders will have to be redrawn to reflect the demographic realities on the ground or the region's demographic realities will be altered to reflect those borders.

I know what you are saying, but that is too simplistic an approach. In situations where a minority part of the demographic is in power, the majority suffers for it. National borders aren't the issue, unelected total dictatorships are.

 

[GSG Flash]

The middle east is run by the worst of humanity, that includes ISIS, Hamas, Assad, Israel, Maliki, Saudi Arabia and whoever else you can think of.

Shit makes me depressed because there's nothing we can do about it.

You'll be surprised to know that there are relations between the Syrian Regime and ISIS. There was a news report I can't remember where I saw it that highlighted ISIS formation and how they where able to gain ground. ISIS casualties are civilians and from the Syrian opposition army.

ISIS is shady as hell, all there controlled territories where seized by Syrian Regime army retreating kinda like what Al Malki army is doing with ISIS. There basically handing in the lands and artillery to ISIS.

I can't believe you're actually peddling this conspiracy theory bullshit in here. There's a much better chance that ISIS is being provided material and logistical support by your country, the UAE, than it is from the governments of Syria and Iraq, who are, you know, actually struggling to regain cities and towns captured by ISIS.

 

[Yamauchi]

I know what you are saying, but that is too simplistic an approach. In situations where a minority part of the demographic is in power, the majority suffers for it. National borders aren't the issue, unelected total dictatorships are.

I disagree. I believe that majorities can carry out horrific injustices just as well as minorities.

Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and the rest of the Middle East aren't Switzerland. These states will not within the next century thrive as multi-religious, multi-ethnic, democratic states.

 

[petran79]

and why the fuck are people and media are keeping quiet about this. I feel so annoyed and helpless about both situations in Gaza and Syria. FUCK.

Russian and Arabs have infiltrated the West and are owners or sponsors of Western media
So dont blame the Jews next time....

 

[Daria]

I was expecting a lot worse for the pictures but still, it's such a tragedy things like these are still able to happen in today's world. Disgusting to think about.

 

[MikeDown]

why dont people give a fuck about this more

because the western nations are a bunch of pussies and are too self absorbed

 

[Tallshortman]

Throughout history... more people have lost their lives due to religion than compared to everything else.

What? Far more people have died violently through political conflicts than through religion. Religious violence throughout history has paled in comparison to the numbers killed by conflicts centering on non-religous reasons.

 

[dapperbandit]

Thank you for the clarification. I recall reading that China does try to limit involvement with foreign affairs unless it impacts them directly, but I couldn't understand how Russia was involved.

Does this have anything to do with the sanctions the US and the rest of the world are imposing on Russia, or is that strictly directed towards the Ukrainian crisis?

The Syrian Civil War pre dates the whole situation in Ukraine. Russia backs Syria because as specularlawyer said, Russia has a naval base there. Syria is also one of these countries, like Iran, that find themselves at odds with the west, so they look to Russia for support and get it. Syria is also backed by Hezbollah, from Lebanon, who are enemies of Israel. The whole thing is international. In fact it's debatable whether or not you can call it a Civil War anymore since a bunch of the rebels come from outside Syria to begin with. While Israel and Gaza have the headlines for the moment, drastic things are unlikely to happen. It sucks, but turmoil in Gaza comes and goes. What's happening in Iraq/Syria (the two are very connected) really dwarfs that in terms of what's at stake.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

So whats the solution? No one wants to go in there. What should a nation or a group of nations do to the Assad regime for this?

 

[Icefire1424]

So whats the solution? No one wants to go in there. What should a nation or a group of nations do to the Assad regime for this?

Somewhat fitting that I'm reading through the Punisher MAXX series at the moment. So far that seems like the best solution possible, given the amount of red tape and political paralysis we're looking at here.

 

[killer rin]

The situation in the Middle East truly seems hopeless. What could we do when the side opposing Assad's Syria is at least just as bad as him. Maybe even worse in the end, since ISIS is vehemently against the west and would most likely start executing terrorist attacks against us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

WARNING! Extremely graphic and obviously NSFW video of mass executions carried out by militants of the Islamic State:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fd_1406604477

I think something might be wrong with me. I know that video should have phased me, but it didn't. How did I get so decentralized. This stuff is completely terrible, how could humans be so damned cruel. Its 2014 for fucks sake, can't we, as a species, just grow up already.

 

[Crisco]

Again, you're going to have to convince me that Western intervention has any real chance of improving the situation on the ground long term. Sure, we'll probably quickly smash Assad's air force and armor, but then what? You think the rebels who've been subjected to this treatment for years will treat Assad's supporters any less cruelly? Short of another decade long occupation, we'd essentially be transferring Syria from Assad to ISIS. All we'd be doing is switching the role of torturer/victim.

 

[Icefire1424]

I'm sure this will come off as insanely morbid, but anything short of a threat of mutually assured destruction of both groups probably will invariably result in a never ending back and forth game of inhumane torture and general depravity. Something along the lines of "play nice, or we bomb the crap out of everyone."

No. I'm not serious. But I do fail to find any reasonable solution.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I just watched a documentary on the massacre in nanking and we watch from afar as the same things happen in our little pocket of history. Utterly helpless people slaughtered all around the world and I sit here in relative luxury.

 

[Exr]

When I made a thread saying violence/war is on the human main side people said I was full of shit. I don't even care anymore.

That's a ridiculous assertion. To say it is a part of our nature sure, but to say it is a primary driving force above all else within us is crazy. That's ignoring so many other aspects of life and specifics to each situation in history.

 

[TarNaru33]

Holy shit. Absolutely horrible. I can't believe this crap still happens.

I don't see USA doing much about this, Syria is like a hornet's nest wait to be poked right now. Really sad thing is, I don't see the American public caring very much sense it's brown people being killed.

It's getting harder and harder to keep a positive outlook on this world these days.

Really? I wish people like you would stop saying crap like this. While I won't say there is no thoughts like that, it is in the minority. People in U.S do care, but not enough to intervene, knowing the cost in money and lives. The reason is simple; bad reputation that the Middle-East holds as a region of never ending conflict. This is due to many reasons, including the mishandling of Iraq post-2003 and Afghanistan, which allowed further chaos in the countries.

While the more educated and informed people in U.S know more about why these rebuilding efforts failed, majority of U.S people only see and know one thing: The cost of lives and money that was wasted as Iraq descended into civil war and Afghanistan churns nothing but ill news. This has left most U.S citizens with the belief people in Middle-East (particularly Islamic people) have no desire for true peace and prosperity, on top of U.S being war weary. Literally not one single generation of U.S since it's founding have not known war.

People (mainly Europeans and anti-U.S people), like to say U.S needs to stop being world police as if U.S citizens want to be considered "world police". Going into Syria is not a good idea at this current time, with elections on the way and gridlock.

This has very little to do with race.

 

[bodyboarder]

Sickening stuff.

 

[NateDog]

The situation in the Middle East truly seems hopeless. What could we do when the side opposing Assad's Syria is at least just as bad as him. Maybe even worse in the end, since ISIS is vehemently against the west and would most likely start executing terrorist attacks against us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

WARNING! Extremely graphic and obviously NSFW video of mass executions carried out by militants of the Islamic State:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fd_1406604477

Jesus Christ this is fucking unbelievable, I feel sick. The brutality of the last part where they're tossed or dumped into the water is just horrifying.

 

[Daingurse]

Those images truly are reminiscent of the holocaust. Just an unbelievable amount of suffering going on, that no one is doing shit about. We already knew about North Korea's horrors, and now there's this too, Christ.

 

[RustyNails]

Well, color me disappointed that these images and the defector's story did not make it to our mainstream news. It's all about Ebola now. Guess that's the new shiny object.