ElectricBlanketFire
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You're not going to kill other people with your car because you're full of burgers.
Should Fast Food joints have the right to withhold sale to obese people?
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You're not going to kill other people with your car because you're full of burgers.
This + exclude them from any public funding to treat their self inflicted heart attacks.
Want to kill yourself with fries or cigs? Fine, just do it on your own dime.
When it's Johnny from Burger King's taxes that are paying for them to get healthcare that they otherwise wouldn't need by eating better then I'd say he has a role to tell them.
You could end up killing yourself. It's more difficult to judge than intoxication because the effects are long term. But what if you have a preventable heart attack while driving?
That won't do a thing. When you're addicted to sugary drinks and fast food, a good healthy meal let alone a healthier fast food meal is something you avoid. The behavior is seen in rats in studies regarding the effects of hyper-palatable foods. Rats will be given regular chow right next to them, but they will traverse a path with obstacles and even electric shock to get to the hyper-palatable chow.
So, what you are saying is that if you were a pharmacist you would make the judgement call and decline giving select women birth control. After all, they don't need it.
How is that remotely the same thing?
Joe Shlabotnik
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You can't get a heart attack from the double Whopper you ate fifteen minutes ago. You can increase the risk of a heart attack over time but you can't predict one. You can also be perfectly healthy in all knowable respects and still have a heart attack. You can't be drunk if you don't drink.
Silly analogy, has nothing to do with drunk driving.
What if the driver's hands are all greasy from the burger and as a result he loses control of the car and slams into someone?!
Yeah this analogy is silly.
ElectricBlue187
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Maybe your friend needs a new line of work if he questions the morality of his job. Ultimately the responsibility lies with the individual, I don't think this law would address the real problem here.
Phoenician_Viking
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No. Obese people are free to make there own decision. It´s their lives.
teruterubozu
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They should never discriminate based on looks.
Bumblebeetuna
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Open business -> find ways to ban your best spending customers -> profit?
Technically don't most businesses have a disclaimer saying they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone? I'm pretty sure they already could do this legally.
It wouldn't make any sense though. The restaurant would lose business, get terrible publicity and lose more business, and the obese would just buy food somewhere else and not lose any weight for the business's trouble. Not to mention it's just kind of obnoxious.
It wouldn't make any sense though. The restaurant would lose business, get terrible publicity and lose more business, and the obese would just buy food somewhere else and not lose any weight for the business's trouble. Not to mention it's just kind of obnoxious.
Dreams-Visions
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As far as I know, they are within their legal right to do so?
But businesses rarely turn down money. I assume your friend isn't the franchise owner, or the topic probably doesn't arise. Paying bills and meeting payroll is a much more pressing concern for business owners.
But businesses rarely turn down money. I assume your friend isn't the franchise owner, or the topic probably doesn't arise. Paying bills and meeting payroll is a much more pressing concern for business owners.
The Faceless Master
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iirc, they removed the triple whopper and quad stacker from the posted menu, but you can still buy them.
I believe that any business should have the right to deny business to any customer they want for any reason, the consequences of that being that they would lose out on potential revenue from that customer and possibly other potential customers who would be dissuaded by the person who was denied service.
The Anti-Monitor
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Obesity is a complicated issue for most people and is very frequently tied to socioeconomic status. How about people who live in the inner city? They frequently have access to small markets (rather than supermarkets) which don't stock fresh fruits and vegetables. Why would you spend a couple dollars on fruit when you can feed your entire family off the dollar menu at your local fast food joint? The pricing and availability of healthy food in the US is all wrong. How many of your friends and acquaintances chug soda all day long? That's hundreds of extra calories.
because they can cause you to pay more in taxes?
BUT I also do believe what you do during the day effects you more than eating food does, as someone who sits down all day, probably would get a worse effect than someone who is always moving, when they eat fast food
A lot of people think it's purely willpower because that's what the media has taught us. All about calories in/out, and spreadsheets. If you assume that this is the case, you see people that choose to destroy their own bodies willingly with less respect. Combine that with a anonymous video game forum user account with members that are largely in their teens and 20s and you get GAF.
I think it's not understood. A leading hypothesis is food palatability over time throwing off the brain's body fat regulation/hunger, but it's not a theory yet. More evidence needed. But if it were true it would explain why some people have a harder time controlling their food intake. Some people would be much more heavily influenced by the impact of hyper palatable foods whereas others not as much. Some could count calories, others struggle more. Sort of like how some people are more likely to be alcoholics and have a harder time controlling alcohol intake once they become addicted.
Sure, but have you been to a grocery store in the last 30 years (in the United States)? It's mostly self prep fast food. Very little real food. Mostly in the boundaries of the store, and few know how to cook it.
That's why I said it was tougher to gauge. Long term vs short term. But continued consumption of fast food can lead to obesity, which leads to heart disease, and the state of being obese is generally a good indicator that a person is suffering from obesity.
Eating improperly increases the risk of heart failure in obese people. It might not be as quick a corollary as the one between drinking and driving, but it is still a risk over time.
I agree it isn't the best analogy.
And drug addicts shouldnt take drugs. Yeah, they need help.
Oh but i agree that they should be allowed to be served whatever they want. I'm talking about the hatefull comments GAF spews out whenever obese people are involved. For such a supposedly smart and openly accepting forum on other taboo subjects, fat people seem to make people lose their shit.
I dont get it
I know this is a joke, and I'm not exactly serious either, but I really think this would help. To have some sort of obesity tax. Yes it sounds horribly discriminating, but as obsessed everyone seems to be over not paying more tax than necessary, I think it would make people avoid eating unhealthy food so they stay under the fat-tax margin.
Sounds like how the government subsidized tobacco and taxed it for years. Why not just stop subsidizing it? Diet should be more diverse than corn and soy.
entremet
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Yep. We've basically created an environment where ''normal'' food is cheap, full of calories and sugar. It's easy to know why there is an obesity epidemic.
The Anti-Monitor
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No, I haven't been. I'm pretty sure there are ways to eat healthy anyways.
From what I have seen, I'd say GAF is very accepting on things that one has no control over.
Most of GAF seems to see obesity as entirely the fat person's fault, so they are entirely to blame.
ElectricBlue187
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I don't see a lot of hateful comments in this thread. Most people have said "let them eat what they want"
I don't see why they wouldn't sell them food. And if they decided to enforce a policy like that, there would be too much grey area and it would offend far too many people.
Something needs to be done about the obesity epidemic in our country. I don't think you should put the blame on fast food companies for it though, or put a "fat tax" on fattie foods(no need to punish everyone).
Something needs to be done about the obesity epidemic in our country. I don't think you should put the blame on fast food companies for it though, or put a "fat tax" on fattie foods(no need to punish everyone).
France's food tastes good, but it's mostly satiating. Except for stuff like Croissants.
Hyper palatable food is sort of a self fulfilling definition in that it indicates how likely it will cause you to overeat. Dr Guyenet's blog talks about it. There are weird studies where they monitor rat's facial expressions to foods and how much they overeat it to define it. It's hypothesis stuff, more study needed.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/10/case-for-food-reward-hypothesis-of.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/10/case-for-food-reward-hypothesis-of_07.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/03/food-reward-approaching-scientific.html
French cuisine is heavy in meat, vegetables, herbs, and animal fats. America fast food is heavy fructose/sweet taste, mixtures of starch/fat/spice that have intense flavor, additives like MSG that stimulate the brain indicating that the food is rich in meat (reinforces eating), and to top it off it's served in massive portions both eating out and in the fridge. I think the French diet is a bit more balanced. Yes the food is pleasing, but it's in components. American food takes all pleasing aspects of food and puts it into a package that you can store in massive quantities at home or eat on the go.
Bay Maximus
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Not only would this be bad business, it's not a restaurant's job to police people's diets. Let the obesity parade to the cash register commence. You aren't the God of Health.
06nbarnhill
Member
Oh the irony.
I would say being Obese is just about as self inflicted as being poor and homeless. Yet for some reason you pigs are allowed to spew hate at the overweight. You all disgust me far more than an Obese person ever could.
I would say being Obese is just about as self inflicted as being poor and homeless. Yet for some reason you pigs are allowed to spew hate at the overweight. You all disgust me far more than an Obese person ever could.
Someone's a little defensive.
I'd say most people are being reasonable in this thread. Or maybe you are reading something else entirely.
Boozeroony
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Yes. I am not pride of the fact that I hate fat people. I think low of people that treat themselves badly.
crowphoenix
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I doubt this would go over well with the public as people would find it fairly scuzzy. It would also make it difficult for people with "fat" friends or family to go out to eat. Also, where's the line?
But really, why would any company chose to block their best customers? That makes no logical sense except in this strange world were people aren't expected to take care of themselves.
But really, why would any company chose to block their best customers? That makes no logical sense except in this strange world were people aren't expected to take care of themselves.
06nbarnhill
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And your being a bitch.... I may get banned for it but you and others really, really are....and I am not even overweight tyvm, but many people in my family struggle with it.
If people said the same things about the poor or homeless they would be banned.....but on gaf its ok to be a bigoted pig as long as its against a group of people who its popular to rag on.
It isn't. The similarities are they are both absurd thought processes that shouldn't ever be brought up at a retail environment.
Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh hahahaha. My post didn't say anything negative about overweight people at all! I just think you are mad. Maybe it's time to step away from the internet for a bit.
Vicetrailia
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Denying obese customers food will kill their reputation for many reasons, let a lone the more important factor that they will be costing themselves money by denying their very own customers.
How smart is that.
How smart is that.
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