Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]

Ithil said:
In fairness Zelda has had near a dozen main games in it, you're talking about one similar sequel.
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True.

But Uncharted has had three main-line entries this generation, while Skyward Sword is LOZ's first (considering Twilight Princess is really a Gamecube game).
 
Skiesofwonder said:
True.

But Uncharted has had three main-line entries this generation, while Skyward Sword is LOZ's first (considering Twilight Princess is really a Gamecube game).
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Everyone ignores Link's crossbow training.
 
Shurs said:
I see what you're trying to say here, but this really makes no sense.

So I asked for three examples of GameTrailers reviews spoiling the endings of games.

Anyone else have any real examples?
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Stop being so disingenuous. You're obviously just on a warpath to prove yourself correct, when in reality, you and I both know that a spoiler is a spoiler. Saying that it doesn't count because it's a "passive" spoiler rather than an "active" one is seriously some junior high logic.
 
SirPenguin said:
Stop being so disingenuous. You're obviously just on a warpath to prove yourself correct, when in reality, you and I both know that a spoiler is a spoiler. Saying that it doesn't count because it's a "passive" spoiler rather than an "active" one is seriously some junior high logic.
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Not really.

A spoiler is something that spoils, i.e., ruins the end of the game before you have a chance to play it.

Someone telling you the twist in The Sixth Sense is an example of a spoiler.

The one example I was given, the Resident Evil 4 review, spoiled nothing for me, as it was not evident that what I was seeing was the end boss.

The spoiler was when someone pointed out at which part in the video review the end boss was shown.
 
AniHawk said:
except that is the case. here's a quick compilation of posts i found with the word 'score' in them.
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Yet, that's a compilation in which some of the opinions emitted are from posters that show a clear partiality in favor of the game, you know the opinions that one truly interested in a geniune critic of the game should avoid. How much criticism has been directed to the 10/10 reviews so far? One poster even said: "GT is the new IGN" while IGN avoided much of the flak cause of its 10/10.

Anyway, not much to spoil for you since you have been active in these Zelda's threads. Hope your comments about the review reach my eyes after you have played it and the hype levels are terminated.
Mistle said:
I only listened to the audio, but apparently the video is filled with spoilers so I'd stay clear of it. And if you just listen to the audio, apparently the final boss theme is used (thankfully I didn't notice/can't remember it) and also if I recall he mentions a dungeon mechanic but that's about it.
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I got the same impression, it's pretty save to just listen to the audio if one is really curious. People in fear of spoilers should stay clear from any thread or review really.
Skiesofwonder said:
I haven't played Skyward Sword, but I find it amusing that some of these websites are docking points for Skyward Sword being the "same-old thing" while giving Uncharted 3 praise for it.
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Fully agree with this. GT suffers from this fault, yet still i consider their Zelda review pretty well done.
Cygnus X-1 said:
Not being an HD game is, again, a ridiculous motivation to sustain an idea. It's like saying that every GB game was shit, because it hadn't a color palette.
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This has been adressed enough already. It was one of the different complains in the review and it's not the only reason for the final score. That's a comparison that should be mentioned in any review from a consumer stand point, comparisons with other products in the market are unavoidable, it's how things work.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
This has been adressed enough already. It was one of the different complains in the review and it's not the only reason for the final score. That's a comparison that should be mentioned in any review from a consumer stand point, comparisons with other products in the market are unavoidable, it's how things work.
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Knowing that shit happens doesn't magically make it right.
 
This has been adressed enough already. It was one of the different complains in the review and it's not the only reason for the final score. That's a comparison that should be mentioned in any review from a consumer stand point, comparisons with other products in the market are unavoidable, it's how things work.
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And the funny thing is GT didn't compare Skyward Sword to HD offerings and deduct points for not measuring up. It's people attempting to discredit GT's review that are doing that.

The reviewer DID say that he thought Zelda: SS was proof that the Wii had been "tapped," but the comment on the graphics pretty much went like this (just paraphrasing):

"There are areas of the game that are a beautiful testament to Nintendo's design team:"

*Shows sweeping view of Skyloft with beautiful textures, stylized clouds and birds flying into the distance.*

"And then other areas that look quite bland in comparison:"

*Shows a very jagged corridor with flat, uninspiring textures that look barely above what was pulled off in first-year GC games*

If anything, GT holds SS to the standard it sets for itself in certain areas of the game and says that it doesn't always hold up (which, from the examples in the video seem to be true). They're hardly saying "OMG IT'S NOT HD NINTENDO HATE!!!!!!11112"
 
Worth mentioning almost, if not every, game praised for its visuals has areas that range from passable to fugly compared to its best. A junction corridor is hardly an issue.
 
Alextended said:
Worth mentioning almost, if not every, game praised for its visuals has areas that range from passable to fugly compared to its best. A junction corridor is hardly an issue.
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The visuals are something people will always be divisive about. I love them. They present no issue to me. Critics aren't telling you what to think. If you disagree with them, disagree and move on.
 
Thank you for the advice, I'll try really hard to move on now. I must have been really going off there for you to approach my comment with such a remark, one that someone else may have even perceived as obnoxious and unnecessary, but I was, apparently, in dire need of that wake up call of yours. Thank you, for saving me.
 
 
Shurs said:
So sick of people whining about spoilers in video reviews.

It's a fucking video review; of course it's going to have spoilers.
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Spoiling endings is one thing, as I don't recall GT ever really doing that.

But there is absolutely no reason why any video review should spoil significant parts of the story just because it's a video game review. In case point, GT's Catherine review actually spoils a major plot revelation in the first 5 seconds of the review. And while one may not get it before playing the game, any player will be able to piece together its meaning in the game's first 15 minutes.
 
AniHawk said:
so you mean the artstyle? because even back in the 80s and early 90s, it seemed to resemble anime at the time.

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I said the rendering style is not the point, it can vary all it wants, but what it has lost is its concise classic fantasy design.

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concise: expressing or covering much in few words; brief in form but comprehensive in scope.

But instead it now goes for something much more abstract and loses its identity. It looks like a mish-mash of Nintendo games and Square Enix story-telling.

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I was going to do it last night, but I will try later today to break down GT's comments from the video review and point the goodcomments and if the criticism is well deserved.
Gonna have to wait until later though as I'm gonna be busy in the next couple of hours.
 
Shadow of the BEAST said:
yea motorboats with rocketlaunchers and chu chu trains really does not fit the zelda universe.
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Everyone seems to have a greatly varied opinion on what "fits" and what doesn't. What Ether_Snake posted, works well in illustrations, but would probably look dull as a realised 3D world.
 
Ether_Snake said:
But instead it now goes for something much more abstract and loses its identity. It looks like a mish-mash of Nintendo games and Square Enix story-telling.
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Well, the problem is that they're repeatedly criticized by media outlets for not branching out and making the story a bigger focus, and for empty overworlds, and whatever else actual RPGs have.
 
Not sure how using boats and mine (not quite) carts is making it not fantasy... Pretty sure it's far from the first time we see such things in the series.
 
ShellyDeKiller said:
USA Today review



4 stars
out of 4 stars
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Not to discount this guy's review, because based all accounts, Skyward Sword is an awesome game, but I thought it was funny how positive all of his review headlines are:

Latest 'Zelda' an enormous, engrossing adventure

Become a guitar god in 'Rocksmith'

Party continues with 'Just Dance 3'

Ambitious 'Rage' an extraordinary adventure

New 'FIFA,' 'NHL' won't disappoint fans

'Dead Island' a gory good time

'Deus Ex' offers choices, action, immersion

'No More Heroes' remake a bloody good time

'Sid Meier's Pirates!' an iPad success
 
Shurs said:
Latest 'Zelda' an enormous, engrossing adventure

Become a guitar god in 'Rocksmith'

Party continues with 'Just Dance 3'
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Haha, the mainstream press always has the most inane video games coverage. My university's paper covers new releases sometimes, and it's just laughably bad.
 
The Gametrailers review is really odd. Going by the commentary, which is full of complaints you really don't expect a 9.1 score.

Not saying either the score or complaints are wrong, but it's inconsistent to say the least.
 
Souldriver said:
The Gametrailers review is really odd. Going by the commentary, which is full of complaints you really don't expect a 9.1 score.

Not saying either the score or complaints are wrong, but it's inconsistent to say the least.
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Didn't the review also say that the new controls were great and the game had the best dungeons of the series? In fact, I think it praised nearly all of the changes the game made.

That's some pretty high praise.
 
I though thte guy said about half the dungeons were boring and confusing, and poor for the series. I then heard him say later they were the best.




Kind of a mixed message fromGT
 
topramen said:
I though thte guy said about half the dungeons were boring and confusing, and poor for the series. I then heard him say later they were the best.




Kind of a mixed message fromGT
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He only said the first two (or three?), but that it then quickly picks up pace from there. Some GAFers who have the game seem to agree.
 
topramen said:
I though thte guy said about half the dungeons were boring and confusing, and poor for the series. I then heard him say later they were the best.




Kind of a mixed message fromGT
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They talk about it a fair bit in this week's episode of Invisible Walls. The guy that did the review (who obviously finished the game) discusses it with the Shane Satterfield who's only a few hours into it.

Skip to 9:14: -

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-185/723938
 
surly said:
They talk about it a fair bit in this week's episode of Invisible Walls. The guy that did the review (who obviously finished the game) discusses it with the Shane Satterfield who's only a few hours into it.

Skip to 9:14: -

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-185/723938
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Actually Shane did the review. The guy that finished it is TSA and he posted his impressions earlier in the topic. That episode of invisible walls was recorded early last week.
 
royalan said:
He only said the first two (or three?), but that it then quickly picks up pace from there. Some GAFers who have the game seem to agree.
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I didn't play the second dungeon yet, but the first one was not boring. Standard, yes. But not boring at all. It had some pretty nice ideas going for it and it was very enjoyable.
 
Nintendo-4Life said:
I didn't play the second dungeon yet, but the first one was not boring. Standard, yes. But not boring at all. It had some pretty nice ideas going for it and it was very enjoyable.
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So a decent first dungeon then?
 
So something has been bothering me, mostly in response to a line I accidentally saw from, I believe, TSA within this thread. Maybe spoilers? :

I think I remember reading that TSA said the main bad guy (if it is or is not Ghirahim, I don't know so don't spoil) basically does nothing evil other than fight Link. This has alarmed me a bit. I just want to know: Is there a sense that the world is doomed or that there is s kind of danger? Motive in a Zelda game is important for me. Can someone answer this without spoiling anything? I'm on a media blackout.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Yet, that's a compilation in which some of the opinions emitted are from posters that show a clear partiality in favor of the game, you know the opinions that one truly interested in a geniune critic of the game should avoid.
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there is no 'yet.' i wasn't arguing with you about that. i was saying that 'well it's a high score' had no relevance because people didn't care about the score aside from the disconnect to the content of the review, and that's true. this isn't an uncharted 3 8/10 scenario where people were claiming they were trolling for hits and whatnot (where, hey guys, 8/10 is still a great score! has more relevance).
 
Pyrokai said:
So something has been bothering me, mostly in response to a line I accidentally saw from, I believe, TSA within this thread. Maybe spoilers? :

I think I remember reading that TSA said the main bad guy (if it is or is not Ghirahim, I don't know so don't spoil) basically does nothing evil other than fight Link. This has alarmed me a bit. I just want to know: Is there a sense that the world is doomed or that there is s kind of danger? Motive in a Zelda game is important for me. Can someone answer this without spoiling anything? I'm on a media blackout.
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Er without getting too deep into the story or anything,
yeah, there's a lot more reason to be fighting Ghirahim and going on this quest than "he fights Link."
 
Souldriver said:
The Gametrailers review is really odd. Going by the commentary, which is full of complaints you really don't expect a 9.1 score.

Not saying either the score or complaints are wrong, but it's inconsistent to say the least.
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As said, their score is always inconsistent with the tone of their review. Just ignore it, I say.
 
I'm around 20 hrs in. All I'm going to say is that when comparing 1 to 1, I don't see how anyone can make a good argument over how this isn't the best Zelda yet. The graphics, the story, the combat, the dungeons, the creativity, the cinematics, and the gameplay elements to me are ALL the best that they've ever been. I can't even imagine going back to pre-SS combat, it just seems to crude, archaic, and limited in comparison now.

Now, how this Zelda compares with the others in the context of its release environment is a completely different question, and one which can be argued for weeks with no real answer or conclusion. Everyone will have a different take on this. Standards have gone way, way up since the days of LLTP, OoT, Windwaker, and even Twilight Princess. So how this game is judged now is tainted by the current crop of AAA titles, and why review scores are meaningless. Comparing the scores those games got with the scores this will get means absolutely nothing in terms of inherent quality. They have more to do with the current state of the gaming world and the environmental factors. It's impossible to not let that influence one's score of the game. It's why I find reviews like GT, etc fucked up. I simply do not care for the angle they take in their reviewing process. Too tainted by bullshit that most people playing this game will probably not care about. Almost the entire review is bitching, yet I've had a smile on my face pretty much the entire time I've been playing. I just can't get there.

Yes, this is definitely, in my opinion, the greatest Zelda ever made, even though I haven't finished it yet. No doubt in my mind. I have no interest in comparing it to game X or Y, because it's simply a pointless and asinine exercise. But as a Zelda title, I couldn't be happier, and it's hit all the sweet spots for me so far. It's ahead of all the others in the areas I care about. Will this game have been better received on beefier hardware? Yes, certainly. But that's neither here or there, and it's pointless even dissing it in this area.
 
Paradoxal_Utopia said:
I'm around 20 hrs in. All I'm going to say is that when comparing 1 to 1, I don't see how anyone can make a good argument over how this isn't the best Zelda yet. The graphics, the story, the combat, the dungeons, the creativity, and the gameplay elements to me are ALL the best that they've ever been. I can't even imagine going back to pre-SS combat, it just seems to crude, archaic, and limited in comparison now.

Now, how this Zelda compares with the others in the context of its release environment is a completely different question, and one which can be argued for weeks with no real answer or conclusion. Everyone will have a different take on this. Standards have gone way, way up since the days of LLTP, OoT, Windwaker, and even Twilight Princess. So how this game is judged now is tainted by the current crop of AAA titles, and why review scores are meaningless. Comparing the scores those games got with the scores this will get means absolutely nothing in terms of inherent quality. They have more to do with the current state of the gaming world and the environmental factors. It's impossible to not let that influence one's score of the game. It's why I find reviews like GT, etc fucked up. I simply do not care for the angle they take in their reviewing process. Too tainted by bullshit.

Yes, this is definitely, in my opinion, the greatest Zelda ever made, even though I haven't finished it yet. No doubt in my mind. I have no interest in comparing it to game X or Y, because it's simply a pointless and asinine exercise. But as a Zelda title, I couldn't be happier, and it's hit all the sweet spots for me so far. It's ahead of all the others in the areas I care about.
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So you didn't find any problem with lack of exploration?
That seems to be the main complaint going round.
 
Zeth said:
I just lost almost an hour of my life reading comments on the GameTrailers review. My mind... it's full of fuck.
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Detective gaf needs to find out if Zeth is ok. He may be experiencing a nervous breakdown after reading so much condensed madness. I hope you're ok. Go see a doctor if you can. :)
 
butter_stick said:
Every Zelda is the best Zelda ever for a month or so. Then people turn on it. TP will be the best Zelda ever in a month.
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Exactly. The best Zelda ever the newest one for the first two months of release, then it's the one before the most recent one, until the next one is released. Rinse and repeat.
 
I though thte guy said about half the dungeons were boring and confusing, and poor for the series. I then heard him say later they were the best.




Kind of a mixed message fromGT
 
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