I have a strong feeling that this will happen. Especially if the NX cuts the WiiU's life short. It'd honestly make more sense to just expand on what Smash4 did and up-port it with the DLC.
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Smash Wii U & 3DS Downloadable Characters Discussion and Information on Smash Ballot
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I have a strong feeling that this will happen. Especially if the NX cuts the WiiU's life short. It'd honestly make more sense to just expand on what Smash4 did and up-port it with the DLC.
oreomunsta
Banned
There was a serious missed opportunity to even just tease about the ballot in the Smash Direct
Imagine the madness if they showed a close-up of a pupil. "This is a sneak peak at the next DLC newcomer!" We'd be here going crazy trying to deduce if it's Dixie's eye or K. Rool's eye. Then it would turn out to be Elma from Xenoblade Chronicles X.
UglyRareCharacter
Member
Ya, not even a reminder of "The ballot's still out there, guys, keep voting!"
Putting on a tinfoil hat, the silence on the ballot means that they've seen the characters it is favoring and are okay with it, or have made up their minds from its early votes which there are likely more of anyway.
Nocturnowl
Member
I need it!
If they ignore the blunderbuss potential I might actually cry, it'll be like Wario for me all over again.
That username tickled me, someone get this man a 90's rendered avatar stat.
I still tend to think the main thing in Dixie's favour on the whole isn't so much Tropical Freeze but DKC3 and 2 as well to an extent seeing that they still get kept in mind through the VC, of course TF still helps by having the ol' modern relevance point but her leading role seems like her strongest point even if it was back in 1996.
The Xtortionist
Member
Blunderbuss game 2stronk. He has like four different projectiles, can use it to dash, could use it as a thruster for his recovery move, can bash with it... Give me a Flying Krock stage along with him and we'll be good to go (though Bramble Scramble would also be acceptable).
Best case scenario:
Dixie Kong
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K. Rool
K. Rool is Kaptain by default. King is his alternate. Wields a blunderbuss.
Both characters are bundled together, along with a stage: Crocodile Isle.
"I am a habitual liar," Sakurai admits, in reference to the "I don't think we can make many more stages" line.
In fact, Crocodile Isle is a traveling stage. Fly from Gangplank Galleon to Crocodile Cauldron, then Krem Quay, Krazy Kremland, Gloomy Gulch, K. Rool's Keep, the Flying Kroc and the Lost World. Each the size of Palutena's Temple. Each with their own Omega form. Each individually selectable. Each with fully orchestrated arrangements composed by Wise, with guest appearances by Kirkhope and Beanland.
A new item is Rambi the Rhino. Squitter can be seen chilling in the back of the Crocodile Cauldron stage. There is a Lanky Kong AT, because why the hell not.
There is a DK Coin hidden in each stage. It does nothing, but it looks cool.
Up, Down, Up, Down, Up, Down, Up, Down as DK, Diddy, Dixie or K. Rool to make Cranky Kong appear in a text box and start berating you about how back in his day, Street Fighter was the closest thing they had to Smash and they didn't even have pits to fall into, and they liked it.
Dixie Kong
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K. Rool
K. Rool is Kaptain by default. King is his alternate. Wields a blunderbuss.
Both characters are bundled together, along with a stage: Crocodile Isle.
"I am a habitual liar," Sakurai admits, in reference to the "I don't think we can make many more stages" line.
In fact, Crocodile Isle is a traveling stage. Fly from Gangplank Galleon to Crocodile Cauldron, then Krem Quay, Krazy Kremland, Gloomy Gulch, K. Rool's Keep, the Flying Kroc and the Lost World. Each the size of Palutena's Temple. Each with their own Omega form. Each individually selectable. Each with fully orchestrated arrangements composed by Wise, with guest appearances by Kirkhope and Beanland.
A new item is Rambi the Rhino. Squitter can be seen chilling in the back of the Crocodile Cauldron stage. There is a Lanky Kong AT, because why the hell not.
There is a DK Coin hidden in each stage. It does nothing, but it looks cool.
Up, Down, Up, Down, Up, Down, Up, Down as DK, Diddy, Dixie or K. Rool to make Cranky Kong appear in a text box and start berating you about how back in his day, Street Fighter was the closest thing they had to Smash and they didn't even have pits to fall into, and they liked it.
I missed this post earlier, but speaking of Ryus implementation, I wonder if his tap for light attack, hold for heavy attack mechanic was inspired by SF1s punch pad.
That would be an obscure little nod that nobodys picked up on.
The Xtortionist
Member
Nocturnowl
Member
You could make an entire moveset with just the Kaptain's tricks, that's how versatile that blunderbuss is and I think they'd be mad to ignore it especially as a projectile focused heavyweight is a unique niche.
Bramble Scramble sounds great until you consider the stage would get the Sakurai treatment, two wooden plank platforms with brambles in between, overhead, at the side, touch them and get knocked around for like 10 seconds of percentage accumulation annoyance that no will want to play.
oreomunsta
Banned
SmashGAF would have gone out and invented the CSI magic resolution-maker software just to find out whose pupil it belonged to
Or they're still having fistfights over which ballot winner they should go with
I don't know who you are, but I will find you... and give you a high five
Key word: "Consider"So what then are you suggesting? That the ballot isn't going to be utilized at all for this game, merely for future titles, even though the website specifically says:
I don't buy it.
UglyRareCharacter
Member
I have him as a guarantee, but it's still unknown whether he'll just show up as a wanted veteran or if they'll have the gall to claim he was from the ballot when he was always planned for the game.
To me this seems like a loophole for if the trolls online make a horrible character win like Shrek, or less horribly, some dumb third party indie character. That way Nintendo doesn't have to openly dump on those character fans, they can just say "we considered them and maybe it'll happen later, wink wink." For them to veto a first party with that many votes would take some act of God, I think, since there's no outright problems with them.
Sakurai would probably also add this jerk to the Bramble Scramble stage:
Music would be dope, though
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Using old games as a point in Dixie's favor doesn't really make any sense.
Donkey Kong Country - Just K. Rool
Donkey Kong Country 2 - K. Rool + Dixie
Donkey Kong Country 3 - K. Rool + Dixie
Donkey Kong Land - Just K. Rool
Donkey Kong Land 2 - K. Rool + Dixie
Donkey Kong Land III - K. Rool + Dixie
Donkey Kong 64 - Just K. Rool
The only thing Dixie has over K. Rool is recency, and Tropical Freeze is the worst selling game in the DKC series by far. Funny, since people like to justify the overabundance of Fire Emblem: Awakening representation by bringing up its sales. Is everybody going to suddenly bandwagon to K. Rool if he appears in a hypothetical third DKC game by Retro Studios? We shouldn't even have to be arguing over this, as both characters should have been in the base roster as far as I'm concerned. The near unanimity that there needs to be a new DK representative proves that Sakurai got it wrong. But nobody is perfect, I guess. Brawl had an incredible lineup of newcomers.
What else are they supposed to say? "Suggest a character and they'll definitely appear as DLC in the future!" I can't wait to play as Shrek.
The Xtortionist
Member
Sakurai would probably also add this jerk to the Bramble Scramble stage:
Music would be dope, though
A Link to the Past
Banned
Perhaps, but half of the confirmed DLC characters are in the game because of Smash enthusiasts.
Oh come now, DKCTF was on the worst-selling Nintendo console of all time (barring Virtual Boy). Considering the fact that Mario Kart 8 is the worst-selling Mario Kart, shouldn't we take that to mean that the Wii U is the problem, not Tropical Freeze?
The point on Fire Emblem is that Fire Emblem sells only so much as standard, and DKCTF sold only that much because of its platform.
Slime Scholar
Member
This idea of Nintendo completely lying about the ballot winners is really silly, and without precedent as far as I know. People thought they were going to do this for Ryu and Roy when their data was originally found, but they didn't.
I don't know why we need an update on it. The ballot's not closed until October, which gives me the impression they'll be supporting this game for a while, regardless of how much extra content we get.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Anyway, as far as the question of "who else do you need for Smash to feel complete"...
Ice Climbers
Wolf
Squirtle
Ivysaur
Takamaru
Chorus Kids (or another RH rep)
Tingle
Captain Syrup
King Hippo
Andy (or another Advance Wars rep)
Isaac
King K. Rool
Inkling
Dixie Kong
This is a long-term list of eventual things that I'd like to see happen, like across the next two games (and Captain Syrup, Tingle, and King Hippo are long-shot characters that I put a lot of value into). In the short term, like in this game's DLC, the essential additions are...
Ice Climbers
Wolf
King K. Rool
Chorus Kids
Ice Climbers
Wolf
Squirtle
Ivysaur
Takamaru
Chorus Kids (or another RH rep)
Tingle
Captain Syrup
King Hippo
Andy (or another Advance Wars rep)
Isaac
King K. Rool
Inkling
Dixie Kong
This is a long-term list of eventual things that I'd like to see happen, like across the next two games (and Captain Syrup, Tingle, and King Hippo are long-shot characters that I put a lot of value into). In the short term, like in this game's DLC, the essential additions are...
Ice Climbers
Wolf
King K. Rool
Chorus Kids
Nocturnowl
Member
We should ponder how Sakurai could screw up great things like DKC2 themed stages based upon his infatuation with stage hazards, it's like a game in itself!
Hornet Hole: Half the floor is sticky honey that you can't move on so you have to jump everywhere, periodically King Zing just blitzes the stage with the knockback of Pikmin's Peckish Aristocrab.
Slime Climb: eternal upwards scrolling stage with the snapjaw ever present in the water below, dude one shots you like the ultimate chimera.
Jungle Jinx: It has no remixes of primal rave, just DK Island Swing again and it's not even the tribal jungle theme visually. Also giant tires of bouncy death.
Bonus: Frozen DK Island from Tropical Freeze, it's just the existing Jungle Hijinx stage just covered in ice that makes you trip.
Why does this now seem probable to me?
Well I'm not stating it as reasons for Dixie over K.Rool, I think K.Rool should be in for that exact lineup of boss roles (and there's still stuff like King of Swing/Jungle Climber as well).
But dare I try to predict Sakurai character choice logic (a fools game I know), he tends to take leads and secondary characters before villains going by our anaemic villain selection.
Dixie has been both a lead and support which is neat.
Hornet Hole: Half the floor is sticky honey that you can't move on so you have to jump everywhere, periodically King Zing just blitzes the stage with the knockback of Pikmin's Peckish Aristocrab.
Slime Climb: eternal upwards scrolling stage with the snapjaw ever present in the water below, dude one shots you like the ultimate chimera.
Jungle Jinx: It has no remixes of primal rave, just DK Island Swing again and it's not even the tribal jungle theme visually. Also giant tires of bouncy death.
Bonus: Frozen DK Island from Tropical Freeze, it's just the existing Jungle Hijinx stage just covered in ice that makes you trip.
Why does this now seem probable to me?
Well I'm not stating it as reasons for Dixie over K.Rool, I think K.Rool should be in for that exact lineup of boss roles (and there's still stuff like King of Swing/Jungle Climber as well).
But dare I try to predict Sakurai character choice logic (a fools game I know), he tends to take leads and secondary characters before villains going by our anaemic villain selection.
Dixie has been both a lead and support which is neat.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Don't get me wrong; the Wii U's install base is at fault here, not the quality of the game. Tropical Freeze's comparatively low sales are completely expected. I just don't understand this whole notion that K. Rool is for enthusiasts only and Dixie Kong is somehow a more "mainstream" candidate when K. Rool has appeared in more games, appeared in every episode of the DKC cartoon, and the best selling game in the series (by far) is the original Donkey Kong Country, which Dixie Kong didn't appear in.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
are you telling me Shrek doesn't deserve to be in smash
OK, K. Rool moveset time.
Kaptain is default costume, King is alternate.
B button shoots the blunderbuss. A cannonball, but it can be charged up to become a spiked ball that becomes like a bumper on the battlefield, or charged up further to become a "spirit ball" (the ectoplasm from DKC2), which can do... something. Slow-down or reversing controls might be a bit much.
Forward B throws the Kaptain's hat, which is redesigned to feature Oddjob-like blades. It launches outward and returns to him like a boomerang. When you play as the King, he instead throws his crown in classic DKC1 fashion. Same hitboxes and properties, of course.
Up B is a rocket recovery with his blunderbuss. He can actually direct it to travel horizontally or even backwards away from opponents while still facing them. Can roast enemies caught in the jet-thrusters.
Down B would set a Klaptrap on the ground who scuttles forward nipping at people's heels, like a Mecha-Koopa but hitting multiple times with mild pushback.
Kaptain is default costume, King is alternate.
B button shoots the blunderbuss. A cannonball, but it can be charged up to become a spiked ball that becomes like a bumper on the battlefield, or charged up further to become a "spirit ball" (the ectoplasm from DKC2), which can do... something. Slow-down or reversing controls might be a bit much.
Forward B throws the Kaptain's hat, which is redesigned to feature Oddjob-like blades. It launches outward and returns to him like a boomerang. When you play as the King, he instead throws his crown in classic DKC1 fashion. Same hitboxes and properties, of course.
Up B is a rocket recovery with his blunderbuss. He can actually direct it to travel horizontally or even backwards away from opponents while still facing them. Can roast enemies caught in the jet-thrusters.
Down B would set a Klaptrap on the ground who scuttles forward nipping at people's heels, like a Mecha-Koopa but hitting multiple times with mild pushback.
Nocturnowl
Member
I wonder if all the kids holding out hope for Shrek know of that one PS2/XBOX/GC Shrek fighting game I played a demo of once, it may make their day.
edit: imagine how cheese the control reversing blob would be as an edgeguarding tool, yeah I doubt K.Rool would get to bring that one in.
edit: imagine how cheese the control reversing blob would be as an edgeguarding tool, yeah I doubt K.Rool would get to bring that one in.
They specifically say video-game character, though. Shrek is not eligible by default.
My point is that being the most voted character in the ballot, even if you're a first-party video-game character, doesn't mean said character will make it in. My guess is that Sakurai has his own list of potential characters he'd like to see in the game, and he's using the ballot as a guide of which characters of his (Sakurai's) list he will eventually choose as DLC characters.
Another thing I doubt is Sakurai waiting until the ballot period is over to fully decide on a character to add as DLC. That would mean starting a character from scratch in October, and said character wouldn't be ready until... May/June 2016 at the least? I really doubt the DLC is going to last that long.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
You. I like you. Though I'd toss in Waluigi and a second F-Zero representative as well for personal reasons.
UglyRareCharacter
Member
Even though all of the DKC sequels are better than the originals (1 and Returns), they get entirely ignored in Smash not counting the Bramble Blast song. That would point to K. Rool as the next in line, since he's in 1 and in 64.
His oniony gloriousness would be too much for poor pitiful Smash.
His oniony gloriousness would be too much for poor pitiful Smash.
The Xtortionist
Member
I'd like a vacuum attack somewhere, maybe forward B?
For his dash attack, have him propel himself forward with the blunderbuss like in DKC2. Could be similar to ZSS' dash attack.
Oh Kaptain, my Kaptain :3
That's true, I'm not sure Sakurai even knows DKC2 and DKC3 exist. I think the Dixie Kong trophies, leftover data, and Bramble Scramble remix were just meddling by the intern, who was probably promptly scolded — "Those games don't exist! Why is this not DK Island Swing!" — only to realize the game had already gone gold.
The vacuum would be his grab. Suck opponents into his blunderbuss, then launch them out.
I thought about making the rocket boost his side special but I felt like I needed to include a hat/crown-throwing boomerang attack in reference to DKC1, so I just made it so the up special can rocket-boost in any direction. Up B, quickly followed by Forward B. Think Greninja's Hydro Pump.
Nocturnowl
Member
DKC3 definitely doesn't exist in Sakurai/Smash land, which actually would explain Dixie's prolonged absence.
DKC3 continues to be unfairly ignored :-(
btw, I burst out laughing reading your stage ideas earlier
A Link to the Past
Banned
You know what? I would be okay with not getting a Rhythm Heaven rep if it meant that every newcomer in the next Smash would be a villain.
<3
Also yeah I forgot an F-Zero rep. Personally I want Jody Summer because shit, who's going to anticipate that? And how awesome would it be to have a character who does takedown attacks and stuff???
Oh also forgot about Isabelle and Toon Zelda and Kumatora
I'll never be satisfied
<3
Also yeah I forgot an F-Zero rep. Personally I want Jody Summer because shit, who's going to anticipate that? And how awesome would it be to have a character who does takedown attacks and stuff???
Oh also forgot about Isabelle and Toon Zelda and Kumatora
I'll never be satisfied
If they add another F-Zero character, it has to be Samurai Goroh, because he pilots the raddest vehicle in the series (Fire Stingray) and because he looks like Ozzy Osbourne with an inexplicable six-pack beer belly.
Also, whenever he's in play, the background music should change to the character select screen theme from F-Zero X.
Also, whenever he's in play, the background music should change to the character select screen theme from F-Zero X.
oreomunsta
Banned
For a second F-Zero rep, I'd go down the predictable route and say Black Shadow, give him Capt. Falcon's moveset, and finally give Ganondorf a moveset that represents him
A Link to the Past
Banned
Honestly, I think that ship has sailed. I'd rather just see them add Ganon.
That's quite possible, then we could have Snake in August which is very close to MGS5 release date!
Believe.
Ganondorf ain't changing. He's established.
Really, Samurai Goroh is next in line for F-Zero, if they make another F-Zero character. He's an AT, so he's ripe for promotin'.
They're bringing them back so they can justify the overworld theme from SM64 and the Hyrule Castle theme from ALBW, which is A-OK in my book
Oh, yeah, I'm not expecting a new F-Zero character. I'm just saying that -if- anyone were to be a second rep, it should be Samurai Goroh.
Nocturnowl
Member
If it happens the second rep is going to be Dr. Clash in his X design and we will like it
A Link to the Past
Banned
Nocturnowl
Member
Dr Clash has extra robo arms, how can you argue with the Crazy Bear?
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