Fox Mulder
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Nintendo has a history. There's no way they meet demand, especially enough to turn off scalpers from just buying everything.
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SNES Classic Preorder Shitshow Discussion (Please Read Rules in OP)
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Nintendo has a history. There's no way they meet demand, especially enough to turn off scalpers from just buying everything.
digitalrelic
Banned
I mean, a quick and dirty list if we included NO Rare games:
Super Mario 64
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Donkey Kong 64 (made by Rare, but it's a Nintendo IP, so I think it'd be okay?)
Diddy Kong Racing (made by Rare, but it's a Nintendo IP, so I think it'd be okay?)
Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64
F-Zero X
Pokemon Snap
Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros.
Wave Race 64
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Yoshi's Story
Pilotwings 64
Not a bad list at all. I'd pick one up. I think that 15 titles is reasonable, since the NES had 30, and the SNES dropped to 21. Considering the controller being much more expensive to manufacturer, I think an N64 Classic w/ two controllers and 15 games for $100 would be my expectation.
dragonyeuw
Member
If their cross-play partnering is anything to go off, Nintendo and MS seem to have a good relationship so I imagine something could be worked out in terms of licensing.
Naked Snake
Member
I'll trade you my SNES Mini for it?
johnny_cicala
Member
Game Boy Micro FTW!
Earthbound64
Banned
Gameboy Micro can't play GB / GBC games, so that's no good.
friskykillface
Banned
Microsoft gets $50-$100 for every N64 mini sold for every rare game so that's $50- $100 for
Perfect dark
Conkers bad fur day
Blast corps
Killer instinct gold
Banjo kazooie
Banjo tooie
Jet force Gemini
UNRELEASED KAMEO + DINOSAUR PLANET
It'll retail for $200 to be the same price as the original N64 to kill scalpers
Includes 4 controllers and 30 games
Do it Nintendo
Perfect dark
Conkers bad fur day
Blast corps
Killer instinct gold
Banjo kazooie
Banjo tooie
Jet force Gemini
UNRELEASED KAMEO + DINOSAUR PLANET
It'll retail for $200 to be the same price as the original N64 to kill scalpers
Includes 4 controllers and 30 games
Do it Nintendo
Yeah, I would be in for a Game Boy Mini. Now that would be worth of a pre-order bloodbath. The Game Boy is the most ubiquitous retro platform besides the NES. The N64 Mini may be okay, but a $100 MSRP is pushing it, and because of rereleases and emulation of most of these titles, I'm not sure if people would want to pay the asking price. They'd need to put some serious work in the emulator to make it worthwhile.
I think NES/SNES are really the only ones I want.
Early 3D stuff just doesn't hold up well in comparison
Fox Mulder
Member
Maybe they'd get Rare games or go the extra mile for 007 Goldeneye.
MS has said they are open to working with Nintendo recently, and they're not doing anything with Banjo Kazooie or Perfect Dark.
Fallout-NL
Member
Yeah, and that goes double for the N64.
Lasthope106
Member
My girlfriend who isn't a "gamer" said she would line up for one. There are a lot of people to whom the N64 was their SNES. They view those shitty 3D games with the same Nostalgia I view Super Mario World. As for the Rare games situation, I really do think it could be worked out with Microsoft. If not just throw in some other 3rd party games. People would still buy it just for the Nintendo games alone, the controllers, and the ability to hook it up to their HDTVs without the issues of scaling resolutions with the original.
BlastProcessing
Member
That's the one I want. Both the GBC and GBA variants.
sixteen-bit
Member
due to shit framerates, no doubt.
Netherscourge
Banned
SNES Classic mini is good enough for me.
That was the golden age of gaming for me and my friends.
Sleepovers with all-night gaming sessions was the highlight of my childhood.
N64 was great for Zelda, but I honestly don't remember playing anything else on that system. I know I had more games than OOT and MM, but off the top of my head, I don't remember them.
SNES though - I had ALL those games, minus Star Fox 2. I traded them all in for a PSX back in the day.
A kid like me didn't have money like I do now.
As much as I love the PSX too, I miss my SNES years. Looking forward to snagging a SNES classic. Hopefully.
That was the golden age of gaming for me and my friends.
Sleepovers with all-night gaming sessions was the highlight of my childhood.
N64 was great for Zelda, but I honestly don't remember playing anything else on that system. I know I had more games than OOT and MM, but off the top of my head, I don't remember them.
SNES though - I had ALL those games, minus Star Fox 2. I traded them all in for a PSX back in the day.
A kid like me didn't have money like I do now.As much as I love the PSX too, I miss my SNES years. Looking forward to snagging a SNES classic. Hopefully.
Naked Snake
Member
DeathByBacklog
Member
I'd be down for an N64 Mini. That's the console I played the least amount of games on. Would love a shot to get to play it's "best of" list of games.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Someone at CNET must be reading GAF; even they agree it was a shitshow.
https://www.cnet.com/news/nintendo-snes-classic-preorder-rant/
"Nintendo's SNES Classic preorders were a shitshow"
Hi Sean!
https://www.cnet.com/news/nintendo-snes-classic-preorder-rant/
"Nintendo's SNES Classic preorders were a shitshow"
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I wouldn't really want an N64 classic. That Gameboy one though....
Naked Snake
Member
I watched his video on YouTube earlier today. He looked so sad.
DeathByBacklog
Member
The Know also called it a shitshow.
sixteen-bit
Member
maybe a gaffer wrote the article
I'd rather have a GBA Classic loaded with GB/GBC/GBA titles but I know Nintendo needs to put food on scalpers tables by releasing a handful of each model a year apart.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Oh god damn it! Throughout this whole fucking thing with the preorders, I was under the impression it was coming out August 29th, not September...
These are good points about the supply situation, esp the Nike analogy.
These are good points about the supply situation, esp the Nike analogy.
Harbinger of War
Member
Yeah, my first thought was that it would be tough to put together a a great list without the popular Rare games and other licensed titles like No Mercy and Blitz, but the first-party stuff adds up. Some other games you could toss in:
Pokemon Stadium
Mario Tennis
Mario Golf
Bomberman 64
Mario Party
Mystical Ninja
1080 Snowboarding
I feel like any N64 Mini would need to comes with four differently-colored controllers, though. Gotta have that four-player Smash Bros. and Mario Kart. Even if it pushed the price to $120-140, it would still sell.
Megatron
Member
If anything this can only help those ips.
I think the SNES is more nostalgic for many than the NES too so I hope Nintendo is shipping 50x the amount of the NES classic, though we know this isn't the case
It is going be impossible to find unless you get lucky being in the right place at the right time.
In my opinion NES collecting peaked a few years ago, and right now is like the peak for SNES. People who grew up with it are getting to that age.
I could def see this being more desirable in the current market.
Super Game Boy Player Mini where's it's just a USB shaped like the Super Game Boy and you plug your controller into where you'd normally put the Game Boy game. The Controller is shaped like a Gameboy. With a different sku for a GBA controller.
Only 100 will be made. 50 each.
Only 100 will be made. 50 each.
Omegasquash
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if the announcement of the SNES Classic drove prices for SNES games up a little too.
Its still over one month til release, if Nintendo let retailers know that they are getting more stock, some stores may open up preorders again
You're forgetting:
- Castlevania 64
- Ogre Battle 64
- I'm sure wouls release some Sega ganes too as dreancasr games were close to N64 graphics. I'm forgetting some other Capcom games, but I think an N64 mini sans Rare would sell.
sixteen-bit
Member
Speaking of Ogre Battle, I'm bummed it's not in the SNES classic edition.
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
Ill be shocked if this isnt how it plays out all season, with preorders quickly being snatched up. Nintendo may producing more compared to the NES, but it still feels like theyre going to be no where near meeting demand, especially for such a great holiday gift.
mindatlarge
Member
If you had a lovely vacation, you didn't miss anything. Unless you're a glutton for punishment.
Agreed. While i played on the NES, snes was my legit first real console i played with friends. same with my wife and our friends. im glad i got a pre order
I was thinking about how Nintendo might be able to still release limited edition classic systems without inflicting so much pain upon their biggest fans.
To me it's clear that these things would be a whole lot easier to get if they were a) priced significantly higher or b) scalpers had a harder time profiting off of them.
Obviously option a) is a frustrating one, as it would be hard to justify paying $200 or more for one of these devices when you can get an X1S, PS4 or even Switch for just a bit more money. Or a raspberry pi for well under $100. So that doesn't feel like it works.
$60 for NES classic was clearly way too cheap however, as we've seen, and $80 for SNES is similar. The appeal to scalpers is just too great. Money down up front is low, potential profit from ebay is $100+ minimum. And they are lightweight and easy to ship to boot. They're almost the ideal item to scalp.
One thought I had to resolve would be for Nintendo to skip retail entirely and just sell on their website. A gaffer previously posted on this thread this idea, but I can't find it in the 150 pages. This at least spares all the B&M retailers from having to deal with the hassle of giving out tickets, answering the phone constantly the entire holiday season to say sorry they don't have any, and frustrating customers who mistakenly (but somewhat naturally) blame the store for the fact that they can never find one in stock. But on the flipside, the retailers wouldn't get to make any money off of selling the Nintendo products, which doesn't help Nintendo guarantee they have shelf space at all the big retailers for their other stuff-- Switches, Switch games, Amiibos, accessories.
Anyway, here's the idea. What if they cranked the price up significantly on them, to $200 range, but specified that all purchases were eligible for a $100 mail-in-rebate. The rebate would be 1 per person per address and processed within 90 days-- typical of rebates.
To me this plan could actually significantly help the situation, as scalping would be discouraged. Flipping one or two could be somewhat doable, but even if you sell the thing for $300 on ebay you've still got $100 tied up per box on your credit cards until after the holidays. And you have to come up with a unique address for each one you flip.
Of course the ebay sellers could simply sell the box as-is on ebay and put it on the buyer to send in the rebate. But I think it would change the picture pretty dramatically. Now as a buyer, you're looking at paying $300-350 for one of these things on ebay, and then dealing with the rebate yourself. That figure gets pretty offputting when again you figure you can buy a PS4 or Switch or whatever straight away for less.
I know all this is a pipe dream because of course 'Nintendo gonna Nintendo' but it's fun to think about possible strategies to offset the ebay/scalper effect. I'm frustrated that nowadays virtually any new product I want is impossible to get even though (though perhaps not in this case) there actually is good supply out there. The new Airpods are a good example. Scalpers are buying them in droves to flip, but Apple is restocking them pretty fast. If people couldn't sell them on ebay for a markup they'd have been easy to find for months now.
To me it's clear that these things would be a whole lot easier to get if they were a) priced significantly higher or b) scalpers had a harder time profiting off of them.
Obviously option a) is a frustrating one, as it would be hard to justify paying $200 or more for one of these devices when you can get an X1S, PS4 or even Switch for just a bit more money. Or a raspberry pi for well under $100. So that doesn't feel like it works.
$60 for NES classic was clearly way too cheap however, as we've seen, and $80 for SNES is similar. The appeal to scalpers is just too great. Money down up front is low, potential profit from ebay is $100+ minimum. And they are lightweight and easy to ship to boot. They're almost the ideal item to scalp.
One thought I had to resolve would be for Nintendo to skip retail entirely and just sell on their website. A gaffer previously posted on this thread this idea, but I can't find it in the 150 pages. This at least spares all the B&M retailers from having to deal with the hassle of giving out tickets, answering the phone constantly the entire holiday season to say sorry they don't have any, and frustrating customers who mistakenly (but somewhat naturally) blame the store for the fact that they can never find one in stock. But on the flipside, the retailers wouldn't get to make any money off of selling the Nintendo products, which doesn't help Nintendo guarantee they have shelf space at all the big retailers for their other stuff-- Switches, Switch games, Amiibos, accessories.
Anyway, here's the idea. What if they cranked the price up significantly on them, to $200 range, but specified that all purchases were eligible for a $100 mail-in-rebate. The rebate would be 1 per person per address and processed within 90 days-- typical of rebates.
To me this plan could actually significantly help the situation, as scalping would be discouraged. Flipping one or two could be somewhat doable, but even if you sell the thing for $300 on ebay you've still got $100 tied up per box on your credit cards until after the holidays. And you have to come up with a unique address for each one you flip.
Of course the ebay sellers could simply sell the box as-is on ebay and put it on the buyer to send in the rebate. But I think it would change the picture pretty dramatically. Now as a buyer, you're looking at paying $300-350 for one of these things on ebay, and then dealing with the rebate yourself. That figure gets pretty offputting when again you figure you can buy a PS4 or Switch or whatever straight away for less.
I know all this is a pipe dream because of course 'Nintendo gonna Nintendo' but it's fun to think about possible strategies to offset the ebay/scalper effect. I'm frustrated that nowadays virtually any new product I want is impossible to get even though (though perhaps not in this case) there actually is good supply out there. The new Airpods are a good example. Scalpers are buying them in droves to flip, but Apple is restocking them pretty fast. If people couldn't sell them on ebay for a markup they'd have been easy to find for months now.
shira
Member
How are you writing for a tech website and you can't process a pre-order or find when sites are selling it?
Aren't you dudes breaking this news?