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Sniper Elite V2 |OT| Throwin' Rocks, Shootin' Cocks
- Thread starter Guerrillas in the Mist
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Yeah, it seems a pretty significant omission.
They're self-publishing on PC. Pretty sure it's because patching console versions is fucking expensive.
How long is it?
Around 8 hours.
The Omega Man
Member
it is, I play it slowly, timing my shots, scouting the areas, setting traps etc. I understand this kind of game is not for everyone but I am really digging it.
Haunted
Member
Yes? With several people spraying bullets at you repeatedly it's not hard to believe you'd get hit by stray one.
In-game explanations aside, the game's AI is pretty bad and probably gets some sort of aiming advantage on the higher difficulties, there's no denying it. The best option is probably not to get discovered in the first place. >_>
Several people? More like one or two guys, I've had many instances where a guy with an MG was able to hit me from a ridiculous distance before I could even line up my scope on them.
It isn't bad, there aren't many moments in the game where you're more than 200m away from someone so you don't have to take that long to get your aiming down when you drop someone closer than that.
And by the time guys are actually running at you, you don't really have to take wind into account or leading shots as they're going straight at you.
The AI and spawn system are just bad.
Plexirvones
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i dont know about 8 hours. im 2:30 in on mission 6/8
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There is a dude wayyy in a tower to the left if you are facing the building where your objective had been.
i actually think there is 11 missions now after some research haha
Played the X360 demo yesterday and was blown away. I love those x-ray kill cams and sound effects.. especially the sound of the bullet going through a soldier's helmet. I also have a PS3, but not sure which version to get. Is it safe to assume X360 version is the better console version since PC was the lead platform?
If I ever do get a PC decent enough to run this game, I hope someone has made a Golgo 13 mod by then..
If I ever do get a PC decent enough to run this game, I hope someone has made a Golgo 13 mod by then..
finished this game earlier this morning in under 5 hours, including the Hitler DLC. pretty cool game overall. I enjoyed it but i sold it back because there isnt much to do afterwards. Im not a fan of going through every inch of a level to find little collectibles that dont do anything and im not going to play this game online when Max Payne and Ghost Recon are right around the corner.
Honestly, i would wait a few weeks when this game hits 20 in Amazon to get it. i did enjoy it but there isnt much lasting appeal for me at least.
Honestly, i would wait a few weeks when this game hits 20 in Amazon to get it. i did enjoy it but there isnt much lasting appeal for me at least.
PjotrStroganov
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5 hours? I bet that wasn't done on Elite difficulty.
Damn, my thoughts on this game turned sour after a long ass co-op session with my friend.
- First there's the linearity. We said to ourselves, as we sneaked into the base during the second level, "This isn't too bad, don't see what people are on about". Fast forward 3-4 levels and we're ready to rip the hairs off our chest in boredom. It's so god damn linear, so on-rails. We can't even do any tag-teaming in co-op because we constantly have to be right next to each other to no get hit with the "Waiting for the other player" message, areas getting magically closed off etc. Levels are so tiny and commando-raid focused, some of them barely look like a sniper based map.
- The AI. Holy shit what a mess. First few levels we took it slow, avoided getting spotted, lots of crawling and firing when there's noise going on. We made a few mistakes and quickly learned, the AI is utterly terrible. We had killed around 8 guards and piled them up in an area, a guard spots one of them on his patrol - What happens? He constantly walks between the piles in different areas and constantly utters something in German, "Was ist passiert?" and then on to the next pile. Never doing anything, never going into alert mode or alerting anyone.
So at that point we discovered being sneaky was a pointless waste of time.
BUT, at the same time it's the usual god-tier AI that will spot a sniper 3 miles away in a church tower at night, then they fire a burst with their super-accurate MP40 and actually hit you - That means on higher difficulty levels, you are close to death when they hit you with that burst.
- It's Call of Sniper Elite v2: World Warfare. It's a complete joke, the fastest, most efficient way of getting through a level? Complete Rambo. Run and gun, going twitch Counter-strike on its ass. So many moments where we WANT to sneak, want to be stealthy but the developers purposely made a setup that requires action.
Oh here's a Tiger tanks, oh well just snipe the fuel cap off the external tanks ( Which didn't actually exist on the Tiger tank in that form ) and it'll blow up ... Yeah sure. "Oh you loved that didn't you?" No ... "Okay then! here's 3 more".
Are we getting some sweet counter-sniping action with that line sniper in a tower, just ready to pick us off? No. We're getting 83 snipers placed in every nook and cranny of the map(s). Just a complete cover fest because you know there's a shedload of these god damn snipers you need to kill. Oh and can you spot many of these snipers beforehand? Not really. As some of them are trigger spawns whilst others sit quietly behind their walls where you can't see them until you peak your head out, then them magical AI takes over and they pop up everywhere and take superman shots at you.
It's all just explosions, cheesy cutscenes, lots of action and pew pew pew.
- Technical aspect. While the game runs smooth and we haven't had any crashes, still a slight problem in co-op, two actually. One is, when I get one of the fast-motion bullet cams my friend's game will sort of micro-stutter in some cases - Not good when you need to double tag somebody. Oh and we got to one of the last levels, decided to take a break. We get back and there's only 'unlocked' maps up to the flaktower ( Which I believe are open per default ). So we lost 2-3 levels of progress. We then decided to start from the flaktower again, got to the end, I walked into the cutscene and my friend got disconnected apparently. Went back out to the lobby and next level still isn't available - We gave up.
When even co-op isn't fun, you don' goofed.
Game is quite frankly ... shit.
- First there's the linearity. We said to ourselves, as we sneaked into the base during the second level, "This isn't too bad, don't see what people are on about". Fast forward 3-4 levels and we're ready to rip the hairs off our chest in boredom. It's so god damn linear, so on-rails. We can't even do any tag-teaming in co-op because we constantly have to be right next to each other to no get hit with the "Waiting for the other player" message, areas getting magically closed off etc. Levels are so tiny and commando-raid focused, some of them barely look like a sniper based map.
- The AI. Holy shit what a mess. First few levels we took it slow, avoided getting spotted, lots of crawling and firing when there's noise going on. We made a few mistakes and quickly learned, the AI is utterly terrible. We had killed around 8 guards and piled them up in an area, a guard spots one of them on his patrol - What happens? He constantly walks between the piles in different areas and constantly utters something in German, "Was ist passiert?" and then on to the next pile. Never doing anything, never going into alert mode or alerting anyone.
So at that point we discovered being sneaky was a pointless waste of time.
BUT, at the same time it's the usual god-tier AI that will spot a sniper 3 miles away in a church tower at night, then they fire a burst with their super-accurate MP40 and actually hit you - That means on higher difficulty levels, you are close to death when they hit you with that burst.
- It's Call of Sniper Elite v2: World Warfare. It's a complete joke, the fastest, most efficient way of getting through a level? Complete Rambo. Run and gun, going twitch Counter-strike on its ass. So many moments where we WANT to sneak, want to be stealthy but the developers purposely made a setup that requires action.
Oh here's a Tiger tanks, oh well just snipe the fuel cap off the external tanks ( Which didn't actually exist on the Tiger tank in that form ) and it'll blow up ... Yeah sure. "Oh you loved that didn't you?" No ... "Okay then! here's 3 more".
Are we getting some sweet counter-sniping action with that line sniper in a tower, just ready to pick us off? No. We're getting 83 snipers placed in every nook and cranny of the map(s). Just a complete cover fest because you know there's a shedload of these god damn snipers you need to kill. Oh and can you spot many of these snipers beforehand? Not really. As some of them are trigger spawns whilst others sit quietly behind their walls where you can't see them until you peak your head out, then them magical AI takes over and they pop up everywhere and take superman shots at you.
It's all just explosions, cheesy cutscenes, lots of action and pew pew pew.
- Technical aspect. While the game runs smooth and we haven't had any crashes, still a slight problem in co-op, two actually. One is, when I get one of the fast-motion bullet cams my friend's game will sort of micro-stutter in some cases - Not good when you need to double tag somebody. Oh and we got to one of the last levels, decided to take a break. We get back and there's only 'unlocked' maps up to the flaktower ( Which I believe are open per default ). So we lost 2-3 levels of progress. We then decided to start from the flaktower again, got to the end, I walked into the cutscene and my friend got disconnected apparently. Went back out to the lobby and next level still isn't available - We gave up.
When even co-op isn't fun, you don' goofed.
Game is quite frankly ... shit.
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Oh lordy, I was hoping the co-op would somewhat redeem it.
Phife Dawg
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Man sounds like the BiA:HH fiasco. Will wait for price drop.
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I had an incredible experience with BIA:HH, what were the complaints?
I did play on PC and I was into the over-arching narrative so I probably dodged a couple.
Phife Dawg
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Played on PC as well. Coming from the older BiA it was such a step back for me, managing your squad wasn't necessary any more, levels felt constrained and linear, probably to appeal to the more mainstream crowd.
Seems the situation for SE1-SE2 is the same.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Having played a few campaign missions, my impressions so far are that while the actual sniping are excellent (more shooters need to have a ballistics model like this), the actual level design is pretty lackluster in places. Some of the missions are fun, usually the ones that are more open and give you more scope to do things your way, but all too often they put you in a narrow corridor full of enemies.
The competitive MP, on the other hand, has been a shit-ton of fun so far. I've played a few rounds of Team Distance King, where the score is determined by the range you kill enemies at, rather than the number of kills. The maps are bizarrely more open than their SP counterparts, but it works well. The binoc tagging makes teamwork really satisfying as well.
Rebellion should have delayed the game, not just for the sake of polish, but to add proper MP to the console versions.
The competitive MP, on the other hand, has been a shit-ton of fun so far. I've played a few rounds of Team Distance King, where the score is determined by the range you kill enemies at, rather than the number of kills. The maps are bizarrely more open than their SP counterparts, but it works well. The binoc tagging makes teamwork really satisfying as well.
Rebellion should have delayed the game, not just for the sake of polish, but to add proper MP to the console versions.
Lol yeah pretty much why I didn't even bother with co-op.
Now, if this game was MP only for like $15, I'd do it without hesitation.
PjotrStroganov
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The
level is the culmination of everything horrible about this game.
russian sniper
Guerrillas in the Mist
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The worst thing is that the beginning of the level is great, and what the game should have aimed for. But then...
whatever the medium difficulty is called.
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
Can you give a link to a playthrough or something? Or at least give me a name of the mission.
Ciastek3214
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Thanks.
PjotrStroganov
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Neuromancer
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So, worth $50?
Edit: damn Sethos just read your post
Edit: damn Sethos just read your post
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I got it from GGG for 30$ and I don't think it was worth that, especially if you are only gonna play singleplayer. 15$ tops.
Yeah, the magic portal snipers are the worst -- especially on Elite difficulty. I would end up having to memorize their positions, but they wouldn't appear until after you hit an invisible trigger. This removes a lot of the tactical play, as you quickly learn that just because you cleared an area, or a catwalk is empty doesn't mean it's going to stay that way a couple seconds from now. It's telling when the best strategy for countering enemy snipers is to allow yourself to be shot to draw them out and shoot them. Enemy snipers have preternatural awareness, and I have often seen them turn a 180, lock on and get a shot off on me before they have even finished raising their rifle. All the while I was laying prone, in a darkened building 200 meters away, and not having raised any alarms.
I've enjoyed the game, and beaten it a couple of times (it's fairly short), but the horrendous AI truly cripples what could be an amazing game. And as satisfying as it may be to pull off a perfect shot from 250 meters away, while compensating for wind and gravity, some of the achievement is diminished when a standard foot soldier using a mass produced SMG is able to peg me with multiple rounds while they're on the move from the same distance.
Another missed opportunity is the ability to engage in psychological warfare. Anyone who has ever played a multiplayer shooter knows the fear and tension a well hidden sniper brings. In Sniper Elite, if the enemy hasn't immediately locked onto your position (which is amazing considering the plethora of bombed out buildings and nooks and crannies that make up the environments), then often times they'll just stand there or patrol around the dead body...even if there are multiple corpses littering that spot. The lack of fear or tension breaks the illusion the game is attempting to create.
As I've said, I've enjoyed the game for what it is, although I would have preferred to wait for a $10-15 sale. The shooting mechanics -- at least for the rifles (the machine guns are pretty drab), and to a lesser extent the silenced pistol, are satisfying; and the carnage each bullet brings is an audio and visual spectacle (although it's baffling how I can shoot one enemy and see an xray of the bullet shattering a femur, or separating a shoulder blade, yet sometimes I can shoot a guy 3 or 4 times, and he doesn't miss a beat). I would love to see an expansion or sequel to this game that takes the fundamental rifle play and marries it with actual AI. The counter-sniper levels gave me flashbacks to the horrendous sniper level in Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, which for a long while has been the bastion of horrendous/cheating AI within my experience of gaming. I don't know if Sniper Elite V2 tops it, but it certainly comes close at points.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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hi guys i got this on steam and preordered
i have the hitler dlc says steam but i can't find it in the mission list in game (i have finished the game)
little help ?
It's under challenges in the campaign menu, I think.
Foxy Fox 39
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In the demo im having a hard time differentiating how one makes a kill cam shot. I know head shots generally are cam'd but I've seen videos of people doing pelvic shots and tibia shots etc.
Though I did have two amazing shots I wished I could have youtubbed. I shot a guy while he was bent down and the bullet ripped through his stomach and then it x-rayed to another soldiers foot (who was right behind him) completely messing up his toes.
- another time I lined up three enemy soldiers and it ripped through all three of them, but only killed two.
Though I did have two amazing shots I wished I could have youtubbed. I shot a guy while he was bent down and the bullet ripped through his stomach and then it x-rayed to another soldiers foot (who was right behind him) completely messing up his toes.
- another time I lined up three enemy soldiers and it ripped through all three of them, but only killed two.
paperspace
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3 guys in one shot. $60 value right there.
EDIT: Not sure if it was a grenade or this guy's cigarette that caused the explosion though:
Awesome either way.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
I think it's partially random, and partially based on some sort of "point" system. In the final game you can actually increase or decrease the likelihood of a killcam occurring.
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