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So I'm getting vaccinated tomorrow...

Tschumi

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Yep, the best we can do is do what we can to protect ourselves against it and learn to live alongside it. It’s weird to think that children are being born into a world where COVID is the norm.
I think, guys, the vaccines we have now are not the last ones we'll ever have, i think we'll come to understand it more, we'll learn how to attack and manage it better and better, in general yes it'll hang around but i firmly believe it'll be like the common cold, or indeed the flu, in as little as half a decade.
 
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Star-Lord

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I think, guys, the vaccines we have now are not the last ones we'll ever have, i think we'll come to understand it more, we'll learn how to attack and manage it better and better, in general yes it'll hang around but i firmly believe it'll be like the common cold, or indeed the flu, in as little as half a decade.
I mean, the UK government have already confirmed we’ll be having annual jabs, so it’s definitely around for a while.
 
I think, guys, the vaccines we have now are not the last ones we'll ever have, i think we'll come to understand it more, we'll learn how to attack and manage it better and better, in general yes it'll hang around but i firmly believe it'll be like the common cold, or indeed the flu, in as little as half a decade.
They've already discussed using mRNA tech to fight cancer and other diseases. It's in the pipeline and has potential for huge gains for humanity.
 
At this point people should probably drop the unrealistic expectations of the vaccine being able to eliminate the virus, and instead focus on the real world data showing how effective it is at lowering your chance the illness putting you in the hospital kn s ventilater.
My problem is sure 2 or 3 times is ok. But what if this is doing some slight amount of damage? We do know people feel ill and get headaches, pain, etc after receiving it. You sure after 10 or 20 doses the damage won't accumulate? Because there's talk of making this annual or even every few months.
 

StormCell

Member
My problem is sure 2 or 3 times is ok. But what if this is doing some slight amount of damage? We do know people feel ill and get headaches, pain, etc after receiving it. You sure after 10 or 20 doses the damage won't accumulate? Because there's talk of making this annual or even every few months.

I understand your concern. I've also waited for more data to be gathered before getting an mRNA vaccine.

But they've been studying mRNA vaccines and doing lab studies on human patients for 3 decades. I've seen a lot of your posts in this thread, and I just wanted to point out that the vaccines aren't incredibly new. They've had a long and healthy path of research before arriving to full scale use.
 
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Aggelos

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I got 2 jabs of Moderna vaccine back in July.
Still around and no side effects yet. Who knows if I buy the farm before long, but we'll see. You know, this world of ours was a crazy place before the whole COVD-19 shebang began. So maybe I'll reach the ripe old age, maybe I don't.
 
I understand your concern. I've also waited for more data to be gathered before getting an mRNA vaccine.

But they've been studying mRNA vaccines and doing lab studies on human patients for 3 decades. I've seen a lot of your posts in this thread, and I just wanted to point out that the vaccines aren't incredibly new. They've had a long and healthy path of research before arriving to full scale use.
You do know that mrna codes for protein right. And protein is capable of almost any function depending on structure. Thus saying mrna or saying protein doesn't mean much as a protein's function varies according to the code and each protein is distinct.

What has been hypothesized is that similar to the way the free spike protein causes clotting issues in the lung heart brain etc, that if not properly injected the injection can go outside the muscle and into the bloodstream, once there the mrna can be expressed in capillary cells, being in such close tight proximity to blood even if only expressed in cell surface the spike protein could cause microclot issues and microscarring. Something like that goes the conspiratorial hypothesis, and it does sound possible.

We do know that even without vaccines people can get microstrokes throughout their lives and be mostly asymptomatic. There is also excess cellular capacity in a lot of tissues, wherein scars and damage won't cause evident damage if the damage done is small.
 

StormCell

Member
You do know that mrna codes for protein right. And protein is capable of almost any function depending on structure. Thus saying mrna or saying protein doesn't mean much as a protein's function varies according to the code and each protein is distinct.

What has been hypothesized is that similar to the way the free spike protein causes clotting issues in the lung heart brain etc, that if not properly injected the injection can go outside the muscle and into the bloodstream, once there the mrna can be expressed in capillary cells, being in such close tight proximity to blood even if only expressed in cell surface the spike protein could cause microclot issues and microscarring. Something like that goes the conspiratorial hypothesis, and it does sound possible.

We do know that even without vaccines people can get microstrokes throughout their lives and be mostly asymptomatic. There is also excess cellular capacity in a lot of tissues, wherein scars and damage won't cause evident damage if the damage done is small.

I also know that we've administered tens of millions of these shots in the US over the past several months. The success rate is overwhelmingly positive even if you consider the failure rate to be a tick worse than the standard vaccination. I'm not some guy yelling at everyone to go get vaccinated because I think the chance of an acute negative reaction is higher than normal, but I'm also unconvinced of any long lasting effects due to the protein hanging around. That part is gone within 24 hours. If you have a negative reaction to it, you may have long lasting consequences. I expect that if anyone is having asymptomatic (for now) effects to the vaccine, we should begin hearing more about it as we approach 12 months with these vaccines in circulation.

Believe me, I want little or nothing to do with the vaccines right now. I'm much more interested in having my immunity tested because I seem to be carrying some. It's just that for anyone without immunity, getting vaccinated would appear to make sense unless... you plan to just sit at home, which is something I already mostly do. :LOL:
 
I also know that we've administered tens of millions of these shots in the US over the past several months. The success rate is overwhelmingly positive even if you consider the failure rate to be a tick worse than the standard vaccination. I'm not some guy yelling at everyone to go get vaccinated because I think the chance of an acute negative reaction is higher than normal, but I'm also unconvinced of any long lasting effects due to the protein hanging around. That part is gone within 24 hours. If you have a negative reaction to it, you may have long lasting consequences. I expect that if anyone is having asymptomatic (for now) effects to the vaccine, we should begin hearing more about it as we approach 12 months with these vaccines in circulation.

Believe me, I want little or nothing to do with the vaccines right now. I'm much more interested in having my immunity tested because I seem to be carrying some. It's just that for anyone without immunity, getting vaccinated would appear to make sense unless... you plan to just sit at home, which is something I already mostly do. :LOL:
If the damage is asymptomatic, or small and diffuse, you won't see issues till many doses are taken if it is accruing damage. Again the conspiracy, from questionable source, is microclots and microscars potentially killing part of nonregenerating tissues. If you kill neurons or heart cells or create scars, those won't go away even after the protein goes away, and will accumulate with each additional dose. A few won't do much to most, but enough doses could cause issues assuming there was any truth to such.

Any case COVID itself is also a problem, as it will likely continue being around and it is attempting to evolve around the vaccine protections. Some sources say some variants are already just a few mutations away from bypassing the current vaccines, iirc.


This is very problematic, because COVID itself does appear to do cumulative damage by clots, and the vaccines do not protect everyone(as the article says 88% effectiveness against delta) and the percent of the population they protect drops as time passes from vaccination moment.

I foresee that after multiple rounds of covid going around, not only will it kill people, but it could very well leave a high number of disabled throughout the world. We've already seen that in some cases some people can't even go up a flight of stairs after getting covid, but it is likely to also drop IQ, and could result in dementia if damage is enough.
 
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John Marston

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I got 2 jabs of Moderna vaccine back in July.
Still around and no side effects yet. Who knows if I buy the farm before long, but we'll see. You know, this world of ours was a crazy place before the whole COVD-19 shebang began. So maybe I'll reach the ripe old age, maybe I don't.
Same here, 2 jabs of Moderna and zero side effects besides a sore shoulder for 2 days. My Ultimate test will be to ask a hobo to spit in my mouth.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
Am I doing the right thing...protecting myself and society as a whole?

or have I simply drunk the cool aid and fell right into the governments plan to inject microchips or cancer or something inside of me?

What are your thoughts?
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MastAndo

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Work put the squeeze on us, so I finally got my 1st shot of the Pfizer vaccination yesterday evening. While they didn't mandate it, they reopened the office only for vaccinated employees. I work in IT so while I can do most of my job remotely, I do need to make at least an occasional appearance. I can't not have that option available to me to do my job properly.

Other than arm soreness, I had a pretty nasty headache last night and it's creeping back up right now. I read that if you had Covid, reactions to the 1st shot might be worse, and I'm pretty sure I had it very early in 2020, before all the cool kids starting getting it.
 

epicnemesis

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The overwhelming trait of people who say that kind of shit is simply that their rate of self-obsession outstrips their ability to think of others.. this dipshit epicnemesis epicnemesis might think he's got no value added but the people he infected while he was swanning around might have had a far fucking harder time than him, and that's what he's refusing to acknowledge
Wow way to necro my post. Dispute the claims before hurling the names.

I love how you douchebags are so quick to insult me but don’t have the balls to address the claims.

Put up or shut up fuckbag.

The vaccine WAS effective at slowing the spread pre delta, now it isn’t, but it is effective at reducing your symptoms. Sorry you lost your avenue to virtue signal.

You are just as likely, if not more likely at this point to kill your grandma than I am mine. Hope she got the vaccine bro!
 

Star-Lord

Member
Wow way to necro my post. Dispute the claims before hurling the names.

I love how you douchebags are so quick to insult me but don’t have the balls to address the claims.

Put up or shut up fuckbag.

The vaccine WAS effective at slowing the spread pre delta, now it isn’t, but it is effective at reducing your symptoms. Sorry you lost your avenue to virtue signal.

You are just as likely, if not more likely at this point to kill your grandma than I am mine. Hope she got the vaccine bro!
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I wouldn’t recommend it. I thought I was going to die from the reaction I had from the vaccine. It was way worse than when I actually had covid for 2 and a half weeks. The vaccine made me so sick, kept me in a brain fog for weeks, and cause my anxiety to spike like crazy. Not to mention it gave me the worst nightmares to the point where I was waking up every hour for weeks.
 

Star-Lord

Member
I wouldn’t recommend it. I thought I was going to die from the reaction I had from the vaccine. It was way worse than when I actually had covid for 2 and a half weeks. The vaccine made me so sick, kept me in a brain fog for weeks, and cause my anxiety to spike like crazy. Not to mention it gave me the worst nightmares to the point where I was waking up every hour for weeks.
As opposed to the opposite, actually getting COVID, being the better option? Idiot.
 

Irobot82

Member
Same here, 2 jabs of Moderna and zero side effects besides a sore shoulder for 2 days. My Ultimate test will be to ask a hobo to spit in my mouth.
Yall lucky.

My second Moderna shot laid me out. Flu like symptoms with no fever. Lasted only one day. Normal after that but it sucked. I was out on the water fishing early in the morning and about 2 hours in I started feeling like shit. Having to get back to my truck and load my kayak took a very long time. Thought I was going to pass out.
 

Star-Lord

Member
Did you not read his post? He said his reaction to the vaccine was "way worse" than when he had COVID.
He also recommended against getting the vaccine, thus putting other lives at risk. I’d take a small fever and few nights of restless sleep as opposed to COVID - which, may I add, I’ve had. I know which I’d prefer.
 
I’ve had COVID and the vaccine as well. I had a terrible reaction to both shots of the vaccine, but they only lasted 1-2 days. I did have to take a day off from work after the second shot.

COVID lasted close to 2 weeks for me. It also wasn’t the worse thing in the world but I’m in relatively good shape. I just felt like I had a bad case of the flu.

I can’t recall which felt worse, but the vaccine was definitely much, much shorter in duration.
 
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As opposed to the opposite, actually getting COVID, being the better option? Idiot.
I had a moderate to strong case of Covid and never once felt like I was in danger of dying. I held off the symptoms using flu meds and albuterol. The vaccine I didn’t think I was going to make it home. I literally though I was going to black out within minutes of the shot. I was flushed, sick, and faint within 15 minutes. So yeah, I would say if you are slightly healthy and not a senior citizen, take your chances with Covid. Stop living life like a coward.
 

Star-Lord

Member
I had a moderate to strong case of Covid and never once felt like I was in danger of dying. I held off the symptoms using flu meds and albuterol. The vaccine I didn’t think I was going to make it home. I literally though I was going to black out within minutes of the shot. I was flushed, sick, and faint within 15 minutes. So yeah, I would say if you are slightly healthy and not a senior citizen, take your chances with Covid. Stop living life like a coward.
I just looked in the dictionary, and looked up the word ‘utter fucktard’ and guess what I found? A picture of you. Take your anti-vax bullshit and take a long walk off a short cliff.
 
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I’ve had COVID and the vaccine as well. I had a terrible reaction to both shots of the vaccine, but they only lasted 1-2 days. I did have to take a day off from work after the second shot.

COVID lasted close to 2 weeks for me. It also wasn’t the worse thing in the world but I’m in relatively good shape. I just felt like I had a bad case of the flu.

I can’t recall which felt worse, but the vaccine was definitely much, much shorter in duration.
I felt like death for the better part of a week with COVID. One night I was feeling so shitty I felt like I needed to make my peace with just dying. The second shot of the vaccine made me really tired for one night.
 

Star-Lord

Member
I felt like death for the better part of a week with COVID. One night I was feeling so shitty I felt like I needed to make my peace with just dying. The second shot of the vaccine made me really tired for one night.
Haven’t you heard? Not being able to sleep for a couple of nights is worse than death. Just Google the figures and see for yourself.
 

Miles708

Member
I had a moderate to strong case of Covid and never once felt like I was in danger of dying. I held off the symptoms using flu meds and albuterol. The vaccine I didn’t think I was going to make it home. I literally though I was going to black out within minutes of the shot. I was flushed, sick, and faint within 15 minutes. So yeah, I would say if you are slightly healthy and not a senior citizen, take your chances with Covid. Stop living life like a coward.

My doctor suggested me to do an antibody test before being vaccined, because if you already got covid you already have covid antibodies inside you, so you might need only 1 dose of vaccine.
If you already got it it's always a good idea to be tested first and see how your body reacted.
 
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