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so tonight I cleaned out the most spyware riddled PC I've ever seen.

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Ecrofirt

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My friend called me today and asked me to come over and get his computer running well again.

I burned a CD with Spybot, Ad-aware, Spyware Doctor, HijackThis!, and CWShredder, all the latest definitions, and headed over.

What I witnessed when I arrived I never thought could actually happen to a PC. This kid's computer was nearly run into the ground with spy/malware. I don't know how the thing was running at all.

The first thing I ran was CWShredder. It found 3 instances of CoolWebSearch. I suspected there was going to be some CWS stuff on there, so this was no biggie.
I followed this up by running Spybot, which found ~200 things, some of which couldn't be deleted until I restarted.
I then decided to run Ad-aware. Lord, did that pick shit up. When everything was said and done, Ad-aware found 1604 things. Some of these also couldn't be deleted until I restarted.
Spyware Doctor was next, and that found ~200 things, with some again being unable to be deleted until I restarted.

When I finally finished with everything, there were over 2000 unique things found between the four programs.

Craziness. Anyone have any comparable stories?
 

Ecrofirt

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it's not my PC.

He wanted me to clear it out, he didn't want me to reinstall windows.

edit: and it's running 100% better for him now.
 

impirius

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Yeah, I had some dude bring in a Vaio with over 2,000 objects found in AAW/Spybot, CWS, and some other thing that was the most tenacious piece of software I've ever seen... it spread randomly-named files all around the C:\Windows\system32 directory and had several processes that would restore any deleted files, even if you did it booting in DOS. I probably rebooted that thing 40 times before I finally identified and deleted all the files. Ugh.
 

Scrow

Still Tagged Accordingly
I just downloaded and installed Spyware Doctor and it found 6 problems, but the damn thing wanted me to register (pay) for it to remove them... is there a "free" version I can get?
 
While we're on the spyware topic, I just use Adaware and Spyboy S&D. Is it worth getting all these other programs? Are they going to catch a lot of stuff that Adaware and Spybot miss?
 

LakeEarth

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Same thing happened to me when I cleared out my old computer. This was about 2 years ago, when spyware detectors weren't as abundant as they are now. AdAware found 2000 things. The computer ran so much better.

Greenpanda said:
While we're on the spyware topic, I just use Adaware and Spyboy S&D. Is it worth getting all these other programs? Are they going to catch a lot of stuff that Adaware and Spybot miss?

Some things, yes. Right now I'm having a problem with spyware on my computer, and I had Adaware, Spybot, CWShreder AND PC Doctor, and still the problem isn't fixed.
 

Pochacco

asking dangerous questions
Make sure that he will, in the future, be more careful with downloads and (of course) use Firefox!
 

Ecrofirt

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the only programs I'm having a problem with on this PC are WinAdTools and WinRachet. I think I'm going to make a topic about them to see see what the hell I can do.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
Ecrofirt said:
it's not my PC.

He wanted me to clear it out, he didn't want me to reinstall windows.

edit: and it's running 100% better for him now.
i'm sure his wrist and nasty yellow sock are thanking you for your services. btw, did you wear rubber gloves when you touched his keyboard?
 

Scrow

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Ecrofirt said:
it'll remove them if it's the trial version. That's all I'm using.
nope. this trial version wants me to purchase the software before it'll remove the problems.
 

Vormund

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I wouldn't have bothered cleaning it out, I would've just formatted.

Interesting to see how much was on there though.
 

swoon

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impirius said:
Yeah, I had some dude bring in a Vaio with over 2,000 objects found in AAW/Spybot, CWS, and some other thing that was the most tenacious piece of software I've ever seen... it spread randomly-named files all around the C:\Windows\system32 directory and had several processes that would restore any deleted files, even if you did it booting in DOS. I probably rebooted that thing 40 times before I finally identified and deleted all the files. Ugh.

i just cleaned out this familes computer that adware/spy bot found over 4200 spyware spread out amongst the hard drive. it has a gig of ram and took like 20 mins to boot.
 

LakeEarth

Member
Scrow said:
nope. this trial version wants me to purchase the software before it'll remove the problems.

Downloads.com's version lets you remove stuff. It just doesn't let you update the definitions.
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Ecrofirt said:
you guys are always formatting at the drop of a hat. I'll never understand it.

Me either, reformatting is always such a pain in the ass for me having to get all the programs I use so often installed and all of my games up-to-date with patches. Most problems can be fixed without a format anyways.

edit - with = without, crucial mistake ;\
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Me either, reformatting is always such a pain in the ass for me having to get all the programs I use so often installed and all of my games up-to-date with patches. Most problems can be fixed with a format anyways.

Allow me to introduce you to...

ghost-norton.jpg
 
Pochacco said:
Make sure that he will, in the future, be more careful with downloads and (of course) use Firefox!

Does Firefox really keep spyware from being installed on your pc? I've got one on my pc right now that's being a royal pain in my arse. Keeps changing my homepage and brings up some sort of smartshop website or something like that. I've cleaned it like 3 times and it keeps coming back :b
 

Mashing

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The best tool that I've found is Giant AntiSpyware (you get can get a 15 day trial--that will let you do updates in those 15 days from here ).

It will find stuff Spy-Bot S&d and Adware will miss and it's advanced tools are awesome. Check it out. Just be sure when you remove malware you disconnect it from the internet by disabling your nic or unplugging your phone cable. It makes a world of difference.
 

Ecrofirt

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some of the guys here were shutting me down the other night when I said I was still getting spyware and I use FireFox.

I don't have any programs installed on this PC that come with spyware, yes the stuff magically appears. And yes, for the last time, I DID clean out my PC before I put FireFox on, and I never clicked on any OK boxes that would have DLed the spyware.

The offending stuff came a two weeks or so AFTER I got FireFox. It's

WinAdTools and WinRachet. It comes back every week. Someone help.
 

Mashing

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WinTools installs as a service (and services are very hard to remove once they get installed). You can disable it though just like any other service and then remove the c:\Program Files\WinUpdt folder (I think that is what it is) after you reboot. The service will be disabled and it won't reinstall itself.

Edit: not to be confused with the hidden WindowsUpdate folder (that's legit).

I'm not familar with WinRachet though.
 

Ecrofirt

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As far as I know, these two always come in pairs.
I'll try that when I get home; it's probably the best help info I've been able to find on it.
 

firex

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Crimson Dragon said:
Does Firefox really keep spyware from being installed on your pc? I've got one on my pc right now that's being a royal pain in my arse. Keeps changing my homepage and brings up some sort of smartshop website or something like that. I've cleaned it like 3 times and it keeps coming back :b
Well, it doesn't clean it or anything, but I haven't gotten much spyware at all and I've been using firefox ever since I built this PC a little under a year ago. It just isn't vulnerable to a lot of the active-x stuff that IE is which lets spyware get put on your computer.
 

Fatalah

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What sucks is that the people here at my job (all around 40 years old) always complain about how their computer sucks. 'Oh god, what's going on? somebody call IT!". "i hate this computer! ackkk!"

If only they knew not to download those BS toolbars! Popups coming out the wazoo, at the worst of times, crashes....all that stuff hinders their productivity SO bad! Its kinda sad.

Last week I finally got my hands on this computer that this woman always moans about. She gave me permission to work on it while we went out to lunch. So I did CWShredder, Adaware, and Spybot. I couldn't get the computer to run in safe mode, so I had to keep restarting so Adaware could run right before the system is fully loaded.

After I fixed everything, she was totally amazed. She wants me to come over to her other office and fix 2 other computers! I could be the new IT guy! Gimme $100,000 please!
 

belgurdo

Banned
A couple of weeks ago at work our computers had to be repaired because spyware had rendered them useless. My boss, in her infinite wisdom, decided that Firefox was the cause behind this, despite the fact that I told her when I installed it on all the computers and as I was deleting them that it doesn't download spyware. I kind of find it weird that she'd immediately blame me and not herself and everyone else who was downloading toolbars and getting all sorts of crap from Java webgame sites, but since we get along and I don't care about work computers anyway I didn't press it
 

Phoenix

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I had one that was MUCH worse, though this one also had a pretty nasty exploit on it as well. When users logged in the machine would immediately log them off as well. I ended up formatting the drive with Windows 2000 because whatever it was would refuse to boot from the XP CD. After formatting the drive and reflashing the bios from HP, I was able to install XP and get the machine running again.
 
i just checked mine out with SpyBot for the first time ever and it found 66. I was kinda suprised it was that low, i expected it to be alot worse. This comp is a p.o.s. and runs like crap.
 

Mashing

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While that's true, you generally find the most spyware addled machines because the user has very poor browsing habits. Lots of malware are trojans now which will go out and download more malware.
 

Catzgirl

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pestul said:
When did people suddenly forget that you can get spyware from sources other than simply browsing?...

You mean like from online games and email? Where else can you get it from? I have a computer illiterate friend that has about 4 fire walls and a google toolbar, yet everytime she comes home her computer is full of spyware. I ask her where she browses, and she tells me she's careful and doesn't open up weird emails or click on pop ups. So I can't understand just WHERE all of her spyware comes from. I'm amazed how people can so easily get this stuff. I've never had a problem with spyware or vicious toolbars, ever, and I browse everywhere online. I don't get it.
 

pestul

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Mashing said:
While that's true, you generally find the most spyware addled machines because the user has very poor browsing habits. Lots of malware are trojans now which will go out and download more malware.
Yeah, I'm specificially refering to people that have altered their browsing habbits and neglected their application testing habbits.
 

mrmyth

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I call it 'Shiny Penny" syndrome. That, combined with greed, helps spyware spread. Just because its flashy and looks free doesn't mean its useful or free.

I just had to get rid of software that seemed to bork all secure web connections. Turns out it was redirecting. I got a chuckle out of telling this repeat offender that they probably just gave their online banking info to somebody.

Spyware makers need to have midgets attached to them with cell phones that call the police and report everything they do. See how they like it.
 

Ecrofirt

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Mashing said:
WinTools installs as a service (and services are very hard to remove once they get installed). You can disable it though just like any other service and then remove the c:\Program Files\WinUpdt folder (I think that is what it is) after you reboot. The service will be disabled and it won't reinstall itself.

Edit: not to be confused with the hidden WindowsUpdate folder (that's legit).

I'm not familar with WinRachet though.


Well the folder isn't there. We'll see how long it takes before this stuff mysteriously shows up again.
 

CaptainABAB

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Ars-Technica has a new article/review on spyware removers.
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/spyware-removal.ars

As good as the article is, I think the following post in the discussion area at the end of the article is excellent.

From Derek...

"I have to deal with this crap every day. I have made up a CD with all the good programs and do them in a certain order.

Here are the steps I use to get rid of spyware on most machines. This is a repair shop environment, so we see it all. You may not need all this. It takes a long time, until you do it enough...

Make sure computer is disconnected from internet!! Super important!

1. Install adaware, use a bat file to load updated defs, install vx2 cleaner plugin.

2. Install spybot and manual updates.

3. Install spyware blaster

4. Run DSO stop

5. Run CWShredder, run it again until it comes up clean.

6. Run hijackthis for the first time. Sometimes you take things out and they come back. This is an advanced program, so be careful what you take out. You can kill norton by taking out the CC files.

7. VX2, there are 2 tools, Kill2ME and VX2 finder. VX2 finder is only for NT systems. I use Kill2ME on 9x, and sometimes if the other things can't remove it. VX2 is hard to clean.

8. LSPfix to check networking layers. You can remove spyware all day long but if you have new.net or LSpack, or whatever else, your internet will not work. This is an advanced tool, and will make a mess if you do not know what you are doing.

9. Run spyware blaster.

10. Run adaware and remove all, in full scan mode. May need to re-run in safe mode.

11. Run spybot and remove all. May need to re-run in safe mode.

12. If all spyware is clean now, rerun hijackthis to make sure nothing got put back.

13. Delete offending folders from:
C:\program files
C:\temp, C:\temporary,
C:\Docs and Settings...\user\local settings\TEMP
C:\Docs and Settings...\user\local settings\temporary internet files
Also, if you had ISTbar, there is a folder called Wintools. Search for it and delete.
Check in C:\, and C:\windows for suspicious exe files.
Anything you can check after the spyware scans identify the folders will help, but is not critical. I just like to get rid of all I can. NO spyware removal program is 100%. Many entries are still in the registry after S&D and Adaware declares it clean.

14. Internet explorer > Tools menu > Internet Options
Set your home page, delete cookies, temp int files, go to security tab and set defaults on all zones. Check trusted sites for spyware URLs. Delete them from there. VERY IMPORTANT!!
Privacy tab, set cookies to default.
Content tab, clear auto complete.
Connections tab, check for dialers and delete all but your ISP.
Advanced tab, set defaults.

15. Now, you can plug in your internet connection, and update adaware, spybot, and spyware blaster. Re-run adaware and spybot in full modes. Immunize in Spybot, and double check spyware blaster for block status.

16. Now, you should be clean. Get a good firewall, I use kerio 2.1.5. I use Proxomitron for an ad/spyware filter. I also use a host blocking file. You must put the host file in last, because some spyware will delete/change it, and redirect searches. Install XP SP2, but ONLY AFTER the spyware has been removed, or else you run the risk of killing the installation, and getting a blue screen. Make sure to have an up to date AV program. Norton 2003 is very good, keep it updated. I do not like Norton 2004-2005 at all.

17. A few final notes. Kazaa. If you have it, back up your music, and use the tool kazaabegone. It deletes Kazaa from registry, and all files on the HD, including your shared folder. DO NOT REINSTALL KAZAA. If you must, use K-lite.

Hotbar, there is a tool called hotbaruninst, I think I got it from them. It helps to kill the process to assist in removal.

There is also a program called startup list that lists all startup entries. Hijack does a good job, but sometimes there is something hiding that even that cannot find.

Here are some useful links, I omitted the obvious:

DSO Stop: http://www.nsclean.com/dsostop.html

CWShredder: http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract/cwshredder_download.html

A Few utilities are here: http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html

VX2 Finder: http://www.pchell.com/downloads/vx2finder.exe

Hosts file: http://www.dozleng.com/hpguru/

Proxomitron: http://www.proxomitron.info/

Process explorer: I forgot to mention this very useful tool. Use it to kill stubborn spyware processes and watch them restart themselves. With this, you will know what is running, and what company made it. VERY VERY USEFUL!

http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml

This is about all I can say. I have not seen any thread that even comes close to this level of removal. If you do not do every step, you are wasting your time. You really should do them in this order. It may save time to just start in safe mode. Between scans, and updates, this is easily a 2-4 hour job for me, being experienced. It is an all day affair for most people. Most users cannot do all of this. This is a huge problem, and I cannot think of a good solution. It feels like I am wasting my time everyday, when it is so easy for someone to download one "free" program and to wipe out all the work."


wow!
 

Ecrofirt

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While slightly OT, I thought I'd bring up somethnig else.

My dad went to my aunt's house tonight to clean her PC up (he has side job where he fixes up computers and stuff).

She's got McAffe anti-virus on there, and all the virus definitions are completely up to date. The odd thing was, she had 291 instances of some bagle virus on her PC.

He wanted me to ask on here if anyone had any info on that. Specifically how it could go about infecting the PC so much with the virus protection running. It didn't even detect the virus until he started running ad-aware, and that was checking files.

Anyone have any info?

some more info:
She's not on broadband. She doesn't disable her virus protection.

He's wondering if anyone knows of any instances of people picking this up through popups even though the PC was protected by an anti-virus program.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
My sister was having problems with her PC and she runs IE with no firewall. I went on her machine with SpyBot and Ad-Aware and found shit I didn't even know existed. All she does is browse Nickelodeon and equally as shitty pre-teen/teen girl sites. Ridiculous.
 
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