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[HiroProtagonist]

I’m taking a Sociology class where we are required to post to a discussion board on topics provided by the professor. Last week it was on institutionalized racism, and there I realized that this class is composed of inbred buffoons, fulfilling my Gordon Rule requirements in one thread. This week is on gay marriage, and it’s just too good not to share.

Here is the topic:

Gay marriage is an extremely sensitive topic today. Many state legislatures are debating this topic and the legality of such marriages. Even our president has proposed a constitutional amendment banning Gay Marriages.
Do you support Gay marriage or are you opposed to Gay marriage. Why?
If you oppose Gay Marriage, explain what functions of marriage and the family you see threatened.
If you are in favor of Gay Marriage explain how Gay Marriages fulfill the traditional functions of marriage and the family

Now some of the replies:

No, I do not believe gay people should be allowed to marry. Think of the children, would any of you as parents let your child go spend the night with a friend at her two dad's house? I wouldn't. The bible says Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

If you were christian you wouldn't be gay to begin with. This is just my opinion. If you have God in your heart he would not provoke you to be attracted to another man!

I oppose Gay marriage! I think that marriage should be the way that GOD intended it to be: MAN AND WOMAN. PERIOD. I believe that there is no woman on this earth whom can take a the place of a man. I couldn't imagine my soul burning in hell (excuse me) just because I want to be different and like my own kind. Sometimes when I see gay people, it makes me sick to my stomach because I just don't understand how that would work. I feel that gay marriages aren't a positive role model for children really not fair to the child to grow up in a environment like that and think it's okay to be gay. I feel that's basically saying that it's okay for your child to spend a lifetime in hell. Another thing to think about. What would you say to your child when they ask why do they have two mommies or two daddies? Or, when they ask why aren't we like "normal" people? I just don't think that's right. For as the functions of the marriage, I haven't heard of any gay marriage that actually lasted. If anyone know one please let me know. I think because women have sometimes toooooo much in common, and that can be a disaster. Man was made for woman and vice-versa. Yea, men aren't like us women, but they are compatible to us. Another reason I feel that gay marriage isn't acceptable is because anything you have to get a man to do for as (when a gay couple is trying to have a child, and it can't happen) that's a sign I feel that should let any gay person know that IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE THAT WAY!

 

[Drinky Crow]

I was for gay marriage until I heard about ADAM AND STEVE.

 

[master_shake_05]

If you were christian you wouldn't be gay to begin with. This is just my opinion. If you have God in your heart he would not provoke you to be attracted to another man!

I.... I THINK I'VE SEEN IT..... THE LIGHT!!!

 

[Nick]

I do not support gays, nor their supposed "marriages". Go back to San Francisco you crazy kooks.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Not allowing gays to be married and have the same benefits actual married couples do is up there as the stupidest most idiotic issue of all time. It feels like both sides are just using semantecs or certain wordings of the coupling should be used. WHO GIVES A ****!. Just give them equal rights already.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I believe that there is no woman on this earth whom can take a the place of a man.

Spoken like a true gay man.

I haven't heard of any gay marriage that actually lasted.

This is the same reason I'm disappointed by 2009 automobiles.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I'll only agree to Gay Marriage when they agree only to have sex once a month like their hetero counterparts.

 

[blackadde]

i wonder how many of them are aware that the only reason the church is involved in marriage in the first place was to bear witness for legal/record-keeping purposes.

 

[MickeyKnox]

I’m all for the enforcement of the original/traditional meaning of marriage.
Who in their right mind would turn down the tightness of a twelve year old and free real estate?!

Seriously though, I fully support gay marriage for several reasons,

Religion should always stay out of legislation and because gay “marriage” can already happen (so long as you find a church with a priest or pastor who is willing to do it) Marriage is just a a reason to get everybody together and party, in the eyes of the government it means nothing and you are still 2 completely unrelated people. What is being fought over is the legal rights of a civil union bestowed upon a couple by legal marriage, which you apply for before you have the wedding. These hold many monetary benefits, property rights, parent/guardian rights etc… etc…

If two consenting adults love one another and want to marry they deserve every right awarded to heterosexual couples, simple as that.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I'll only agree to Gay Marriage when they agree only to have sex once a month like their hetero counterparts.

I'm supposed to cut down to once a month? Thank ****ing God my wife does not read GAF.

I'll support banning gay marriage if we can start killing Christians for working on Sundays again.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

I'm against marriage in all circumstances. Well, government involved marriages.

I don't think people should get tax cuts, benefits, or what have you because you got married.

Divorce rates are high and often, it ends up with men being financially screwed. Or a woman could just make up a story about how he beat her and she's able to get a huge chunk of money and the man would never see his kids again until they're out of her jurisdiction. Its become more and more of a misandrist institution, even with women taking the last names of their husbands.

In modern society, I see no need to get married. I think gays are getting a good deal out of this.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Of course gays shouldn't be allowed to be married.

Furthermore, what's with black people and women getting the vote!

/shocked and appalled at the dangerous thinking of some americans.

 

[HiroProtagonist]

Last week’s topic:

Racism that is woven into the fabric of society is called institutionalized racism. One example that I am reminded of is a plaque that stood outside the Opera Hall in Abbeyville SC. The plaque was a monument to veterans who died for this country. It has the following wars listed.

WW I
WW II
Korean War

Colored

This plaque was removed in the early 1990’s but stood for nearly 50 years until brought to the attention of the city government. This is an example of institutionalized racism.

Give an example of institutionalized racism, sexism, or ageism. Explain why you think it is institutionalized discrimination

A great example of institutionalized racism is that we have black scholarships and they are only for blacks. We don't have scholarships that are specifically for white's. It seems that they always try and make ways to prove that we aren't being prejudice towards the blacks but thats discrimination right there if it's only for blacks! What about everyone else? This really makes me angry because they always think that the blacks are the minority and they aren't!!

One form of Institionalized Racicsm is the Confederate Flag. The Confederate Flag represented heritage not hatered. But because it was such a huge issue the state of Georgia had to choose a new Flag to represent their state.

Everything this woman says sounds like it’s been pulled directly from a bumper sticker at a Klan rally.

 

[Crisis]

Gay people should be allowed to get married. They pay taxes, too, and they don't get all the benefits that regular taxpayers get. Even Republicans should be able to appreciate that argument. I'm not even going to get into the other reasons.

 

[Pellham]

Yeah I agree that we should just abolish marriage in general, removing it of its benefits and so forth. You should only get benefits if you have children, married or not.

I mean with the divorce rate at something like 80%, its kind of pointless to have marriage.

But that will never happen so i'm all for gay marriage, or civil unions.

 

[iapetus]

I'm against allowing heterosexual bigots to marry.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

I AM A CHRISTIAN COLLEGE SOCIOLOGY COURSE STUDENT AND I AM GOING TO REDUCE SEXUALITY TO HAVING BABIES AND AND AND WHETHER OR NOT TWO PENISES CAN MAKE CHILDREN OH AND ALSO EVERYONE WHO IS CHRISTIAN IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING OH AND GAY MARRIAGE DOESN'T LAST LIKE STRAIGHT MARRIAGE DOES 60% DIVORCE RATES ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO THE 200% DIVORCE RATES AMONG GAYS OH AND I WAS ATTRACTED TO THE SAME SEX AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE BUT I LIKELY DIDN'T GO WITH THE FEELING BECAUSE SOCIETY REPRESSED IT AND THUS I REPRESSED IT AND NOW I JUST CANT SEE HOW IT WORKS BECAUSE IT IS REPRESSED AND NOW THAT I HAVE NO CHANCE TO REALLY UNLOCK THE KEYS TO SEXUALITY I'M GOING TO TRY TO CONTROL YOUR SEXUALITY SO THAT I FEEL LIKE I'M RIGHT

 

[WalkMan]

Not allowing gays to be married and have the same benefits actual married couples do is up there as the stupidest most idiotic issue of all time. It feels like both sides are just using semantecs or certain wordings of the coupling should be used. WHO GIVES A ****!. Just give them equal rights already.

Well maybe if some of their comrades would stop acting like jackasses then I'd support them again. After seeing two men dressed up as Wonder Woman walking in the parade, I decided to go against gay marriage.


Edit: :lol I read the title as Scientology

 

[sky]

Of course gays shouldn't be allowed to be married.

Furthermore, what's with black people and women getting the vote!

/shocked and appalled at the dangerous thinking of some americans.

Seriously :lol... this is one of those things we will look back on 20 years from now, and be embarassed that it was ever an issue.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

Furthermore, what's with black people and women getting the vote!

Yeah I don't know, they clearly don't want it

 

[Nick]

I was for gay marriage until I heard about ADAM AND STEVE.

I heard about this yesterday. HAVE YOU SEEN IT.

 

[Kola]

I oppose Gay marriage! I think that marriage should be the way that GOD intended it to be: MAN AND WOMAN. PERIOD. I believe that there is no woman on this earth whom can take a the place of a man. I couldn't imagine my soul burning in hell (excuse me) just because I want to be different and like my own kind. Sometimes when I see gay people, it makes me sick to my stomach because I just don't understand how that would work. I feel that gay marriages aren't a positive role model for children really not fair to the child to grow up in a environment like that and think it's okay to be gay. I feel that's basically saying that it's okay for your child to spend a lifetime in hell. Another thing to think about. What would you say to your child when they ask why do they have two mommies or two daddies? Or, when they ask why aren't we like "normal" people? I just don't think that's right. For as the functions of the marriage, I haven't heard of any gay marriage that actually lasted. If anyone know one please let me know. I think because women have sometimes toooooo much in common, and that can be a disaster. Man was made for woman and vice-versa. Yea, men aren't like us women, but they are compatible to us. Another reason I feel that gay marriage isn't acceptable is because anything you have to get a man to do for as (when a gay couple is trying to have a child, and it can't happen) that's a sign I feel that should let any gay person know that IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE THAT WAY!:

thanks for your contribution mr hitler. now where's my Zyklon B, musta been around here somewhere...

 

[Fatghost]

I don't support marriage for anyone. How about that?

 

[iapetus]

After seeing two men dressed up as Wonder Woman walking in the parade, I decided to go against gay marriage.

It's not like heterosexual married men are much better.

Fathers for justice and leotards!

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Yes, yes, we get it, America is becoming more conservative, Christian, and corporate. The rest of us realized this when Bush won again.

 

[kablooey]

Yes, yes, we get it, America is becoming more conservative, Christian, and corporate. The rest of us realized this when Bush won the first time.

Fixed.

 

[soul creator]

WAIT WAIT WHOA WHOA WHOA...

...J Allard posts here?

 

[temp]

Yeah I don't know, they clearly don't want it

I like at the end when he gets them to cheer.

 

[Triumph]

I kind of feel the same way about marriage as I do about the military- if ANYONE, regardless of race, creed, or orientation is DUMB enough to want in, let 'em in.

 

[Flynn]

I was for gay marriage until I heard about ADAM AND STEVE.

It's a compelling argument.

 

[disco]

It's a great thing, i personally wouldn't want gay marriage, more of a union per se, i see marriage as more of a religious/family thing, something that i as a gay man wouldnt really need, i guess other guys would but hey. If their was a kind of union that supported the same rights as a heterosexual marridge, i'd be all for it, i just wouldnt want a ring/wedding, i'd merely want the option to adopt/and have the same bank regulations etc.

I think you can love someone without a marriage, marriage often makes things worse as you may be tied down etc anyway. Give me a union that merely gives me rights, why petition for gay marridge, when a gay marridge is not really anything like a normal family marridge anyway. Plus i don't want to see the downfall of the Catholic church, my mother is deeply religious, i doubt i'll ever come out to her.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

My personal stance...I don't think the idea of homosexuals getting married is an attractive one to me, but I'm not the one it affects. I can understand the standpoint of the people that are against it, but I feel that the vast majority of the opposition to gay marriage is for personal reasons.

When one looks at the issue as a matter of "should gay people get married?", it's easy to fall into a camp against it, but that really isn't the crux of the issue to me. It's about civil liberties, and the lines drawn at which the government can step in and say "okay, this is acceptable for this group of people, but not for another". When you step back and look at it from a standpoint in which we consider the ramifications of being pro or against it based on the constiutionality of it and how we interpret it, then I think it becomes more clear that in order to adhere to our creed of "all men created equal", homosexuals must be privy to the same rights that other people are.

For a government (goverend by heterosexuals) to draw a line saying that marriage is something homosexuals are not allowed to have, they are creating, in effect, an exclusive club in the society and barring an entire group of people from entering.

Many would argue that they could have civil unions, equal in the law but only with a different name. In a perfect world, free of social judgement, that would actually be enough, to me. But the mere fact that such a distinction seems necessary to some is the greatest argument against it. For one group to put into law that another group of people must adhere to a limitation that they do not accept is in itself a means of creating inequality. If it were a line agreed to by the group in question, that would be one matter, but to constrict a group of people based on ones personal feelings about marriage is a form of segregation that I had hoped we were past.

The line should be drawn at the point that a groups actions have an active and negative effect on the general populus, not at the point at which they feel uncomfortable.

For those reasons I think gay marriage is an important stepping stone in proving that our nation really is determined to be, in so far as it can, a nation where all men (and women, of course) are created equal.

 

[HiroProtagonist]

Update:

I would definitely not "support" gay marriage. I was brought up to believe that marriage should be between a man and woman. I have always thought about it as the ideal situation, with the relationship taking the couple to the next level as parents. But I do not know enough to oppose it. I am not willing to judge a person when I can not think from their position. I don't think people who are gay got there by choice. All of us have certain inclinations by nature. I have not had a chance to be close with anyone gay and I don't know all the thoughts and feelings going through them.

I have to disagree that people are not gay by choice. I have a very good friend that was straight all her life until she was married to a man and then divorced. She started going out and meeting new friends and met her partner that she chose to be with that is a female. She never had feelings for a girl until she met this person.

I would have to totally agree with you on this, I also believe that being gay is a choice someone decides to make, I think it may be easier for them to say they were born that way maybe in hopes it eould be accepted better.

You may be right. That might be the reason why very few gay people are not found in conservative countries. My previous post was based on information I got from someone I know as gay. I believed what that person said to be true since I cannot personally experiance it.

I think that you are gay by choice and it isn't already in you when your born!

I agree with you.

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, the replies from your class remind of another "controversial topic" that I'm a firm supporter of: Abortion.

Not just pro-choice, mind you. But pro-abortion. That's right, I like abortion. A lot. Because people are ****ing stupid, and there are too many of them. In fact, I'm for upping the legal age for an abortion to about 50 or so. That way, if things aren't working out, we as a society can come in and say, "Hey, sorry, but we're going to have to abort you. Yes, I know you're 35 and have a kid. But you like Larry the Cable Guy and watch reality tv. We'll be better off without you."

 

[kablooey]

Sometimes I don't even know what the point is in getting worked up over these things, and trying to argue with people who have blatently irrational views.

 

[CabbageRed]

"I think that you are gay by choice and it isn't already in you when your born!"

Odd wording.

"He got the gay in him!"

Odd wording... but I like it!

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

but whats scientologies official stance on the subject?

 

[Brobzoid]

"I think that you are gay by choice and it isn't already in you when your born!"

Odd wording.

"He got the gay in him!"

Odd wording... but I like it!

because you got the gay... in you?

 

[Flynn]

Sometimes I don't even know what the point is in getting worked up over these things, and trying to argue with people who have blatently irrational views.

I wonder what these people are doing taking classes. They obviously know everything already.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

but whats scientologies official stance on the subject?

Probably something about alien spirits flying up your butthole when you're a baby. What I don't wanna know is their solution for it.

 

[bumpkin]

I don't give a shit if two men or two women want to get married. The way I see it, people that the kids of today grow up idolizing -- all the Hollywood faces -- treat marriage like it means nothing. So I figure since straight people don't give it any respect, why not let people who it would actually mean something to, have it?

 

[CabbageRed]

because you got the gay... in you?

I think the bigger implication is that if you do have the gay in you, then you can put it in others. I think having any amount of gay in you is worth the chance to say, "I'm going to put my gay in you."

Since this is my second nonsense post in this thread, I'll add my actual opinion.

Dear Government, marriage has different meanings for different people and it is not for you to dictate who is right and who is wrong. Bugger out of the issue all together or let people marry who they like.

Dear non-fundies, stop now and enjoy your freedom. I see you support the integration of religion into the government to varying degrees while trying to seperate your relatively moderate views from the "crazies." Guess what, the crazies are calling the shots and fronting the money so one guess who will decide how your once-personal religion should be practiced.

 

[Guy]

I dont know about you guys, but i'm all for gay mariage but not for child adoption by gay people. I don't know, when you can't have something by the natural way, maybe it's for a good reason.

 

[CabbageRed]

I dont know about you guys, but i'm all for gay mariage but not for child adoption by gay people. I don't know, when you can't have something by the natural way, maybe it's for a good reason.

Like soda? Or a wheel chair?

Look, this topic makes a lot of people squirm but loving parents are the best things a child without a home could ever recieve. Should I find myself deathly ill and have a child who had go no other family to go to, if I knew a couple (m/f, m/m, m/f) who would love and care for my child, I would beg them to care for him/her.

I find the idea of denying a child a loving, stable, and same-sex home distastefull, not the gender of the adoptive parents.

 

[7Th]

I dont know about you guys, but i'm all for gay mariage but not for child adoption by gay people. I don't know, when you can't have something by the natural way, maybe it's for a good reason.

So it's better for the kids to remain in inhuman conditions?

 

[Nameless]

The 'sacred institution' of marriage has been ****ed before gay marriage ever became an issue. If Gay marriages are banned, so should the option for divorce.

Why is this even such a big issue? Do I agree with the lifestyle or with the concept of gay marriage at it's core..no. But honestly, who gives a ****. Frank and Ray getting married doesn't have a damn thing to do with me.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

The 'sacred institution' of marriage has been ****ed before gay marriage ever became an issue. If Gay marriages are banned, so should the option for divorce.

Why is this even such a big issue? Do I agree with the lifestyle or with the concept of gay marriage at it's core..no. But honestly, who gives a ****. Frank and Ray getting married doesn't have a damn thing to do with me.

Pretty much the way I see it. Gay marriage doesn't harm anyone in any which way. What does harm people are gays in a society that hates them. I know of a couple of gay people in real life, and I don't know them to be gay by choice. Its not like one day, they got out of bed and decided to like dick. It just doesn't work that way.

Its basically that people hate what they can't understand. I admit that some things in queer culture make me go o_0 but that doesn't mean I hate them. Plus, some of the most ardent homophobes are suspicious, as if they're actually gay and are just trying to be homophobic to put on a front. Either way, fighting against gay marriage is stupid.

As far as I know, the Bible has always told people to accept one another and help. Yet with this homophobic culture, most people have chose to deny some of the most ardent principles of the Bible. I'll never understand it but then again, I've never understood conservatives in general.

 

[MickeyKnox]

Seriously :lol... this is one of those things we will look back on 20 years from now, and be embarassed that it was ever an issue.

I would hope that most of us are already embarassed about it.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

Look, this topic makes a lot of people squirm but loving parents are the best things a child without a home could ever recieve. Should I find myself deathly ill and have a child who had go no other family to go to, if I knew a couple (m/f, m/m, m/f) who would love and care for my child, I would beg them to care for him/her.

I find the idea of denying a child a loving, stable, and same-sex home distastefull, not the gender of the adoptive parents.

While I agree with that, I think the problems in adoption come more from potentially large problems caused by outside influences. IE: a child may be in a great home with a gay couple, but depending on the area they live in they may be subject to far, far more scorn and ridicule from their peers than other children their age. It's a really unfortunate problem, but I don't think it's one you'd be able to avoid.

 

[Rorschach]

I was for gay marriage until I heard about ADAM AND STEVE.

:lol :lol :lol