Gamecocks625
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While its cool to play an old-school Sonic I never had the chance to play as a kid via an incredible port job, it honestly makes me want a Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 port using this engine all the more.
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Sonic CD (Retro Engine) |OT| Where We're Going, We Don't Need Backbone
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SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Sonic CD is the perfect game to weed out all those who play Sonic games as a racer, rather than a platformer. Its my favourite Sonic behind Sonic3&Knuckles.
The level design in Sonic CD is fucking ace for the most part.
The level design in Sonic CD is fucking ace for the most part.
As simple as this is, it's a phenomenal suggestion. It kind of plays into my idea of them not really wanting to play into the explorative aspects of CD's game design too much. Something as simple as a map that fills in as you reach the respective areas would eliminate a lot of the 'messy' complaints.
It's unfortunate that Sega said they didn't want Taxman to change the game too much, cause I imagine that he could easily add one in if he wanted.
Yeah, of all the Sonic games this is the one that really made me question the 10 minute time limit. Would've been great if time reset upon entering the past or future or each time period retained an individual time limit.
I really, really would like to see Taxman do a port of Sonic 3 & Knuckles. With Sonic & Knuckles. I think that game (or those games?) would really benefit from a larger FOV and some modern touches to make it feel like a complete package.
Whoever said it was right, this sort of thing shows what incredible porting can do to a old game and the idea of once you do it, you have an awesome modern version of your game forever. I can't play old games that are merely emulated anymore. Not after I saw what the true potential could be.
Also how the heck is this the only game that got sprites on a HDTV to look right? Just the right amount of smoothness applied to remove the eyebleed from pixels, yet not too smooth to completely destroy how the game is suppose to look.
Whoever said it was right, this sort of thing shows what incredible porting can do to a old game and the idea of once you do it, you have an awesome modern version of your game forever. I can't play old games that are merely emulated anymore. Not after I saw what the true potential could be.
Also how the heck is this the only game that got sprites on a HDTV to look right? Just the right amount of smoothness applied to remove the eyebleed from pixels, yet not too smooth to completely destroy how the game is suppose to look.
Love.
Sonic 1, 2 and 3K absolutely need this treatment. If SCD is successful, I can totally see it happening.
Playable Tails and Knuckles in Sonic 1. And Knuckles in Sonic 2, of course.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Sonic 3+K by Taxman would be the pinnacle of all retro DD ports, probably. If he were to port that game over to Retro Engine and keep it feature perfect- that is, the entirety of Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, all in one game, as stacked- plus throw in new features (not sure would you could add, mind... Knuckles and Tails mode?), plus have the same fantastic 'HD' upgrade that CD got- well, I'd buy it for sure.
The Xtortionist
Member
S3&K with redrawn hd sprites/backgrounds and an ocremix soundtrack would be kewl.
Really, I'd prefer that it got the Taxman treatment, rather than the SFIIHD treatment.
Homing attack.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Sometimes updating retro games with new music/graphics works (Cave Story is a great example). Like the Star Trek Enhanced stuff.
Most of the time, it's a waste of time. Like the Star Wars Special Editions.
B.K., you're on my shit list.
Most of the time, it's a waste of time. Like the Star Wars Special Editions.
B.K., you're on my shit list.
sonikokaruto
Banned
Reading all the reports of people with android devices, I'm starting to think that iOS is the platform for games. Maybe even THE THING.
I installed it on a 3GS and on an iPod touch 2G and it works fine and the same for both.
I simply don't get it.
I installed it on a 3GS and on an iPod touch 2G and it works fine and the same for both.
I simply don't get it.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
-1 sale
sonikokaruto
Banned
Hot Coldman
Banned
...If someone used the Sonic 3+K levels to make a Metroidvania, a la Cave Story, I'd play that
Yeah, I've got it installed on an iPod Touch 2G as well and my Droid 2. On the iPod it runs great, no issues at all. On the Droid 2, there's slowdown and input lag >_>.
Hitlersaurus Christ
Banned
I've wanted to do a rom hack of this for a long time, but I don't have the knowledge or time to do anything aside from game/level design for it.
Hey...
nobody posted the story from the original manuals yet.
EU Version
US Version
nobody posted the story from the original manuals yet.
EU Version
US Version
Mobius? Princess Sally? Oh jeez...
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Downloaded this - really dig the visual filters. Game looks amazing!
Christopher
Member
I actually have grown to like a few more of the Japanese songs, the end of level running and invincibility are all US hands down but I think they should mix it up and have Act 1 all American and Act 2 Japanese.
Stardust Speedway really lives up to the name though. You go blindingly fast if you hit the right set of paths.
Probably being sarcastic.
Also believe it or not, the homing attack actually doesnt hurt the classic stages in 3DS Generations...but maybe thats because you're forced to have the skill.
corrosivefrost
Member
I'm still sad I had to wait to buy this. :\
Tuesday will be here soon enough, I guess.
Any word on the Steam release date yet?
Tuesday will be here soon enough, I guess.
Any word on the Steam release date yet?
Professor Beef
Banned
The redrawn sprites for Super Turbo were hideous.
Yeah I mean Xtortionist was being sarcastic about the redrawn stuff + OC remix.
It would be a travesty almost as big as TMNT IV Ubisoft.
The Xtortionist
Member
No actually, something similar to the quality of Rayman Origins would be great.
To be fair, the sprites were ugly in SFIIHD, but the track remixes were pretty damn good.
Hyper Sonic has a multi-directional double jump that kills everything onscreen anyway. It's a great mobility tool, but there's nothing homing about it.
Horrifying.
Azure Dream
Member
Sega of America trying to resolve the fact that they had an extremely popular cartoon and comic series, that Sega of Japan wasn't about to do anything with. Still dumb for a lot of reasons, though.
That's masochism.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Speaking as somebody who has a little bit of experience with this, I don't think a Metroid-style Sonic game is entirely possible without some serious gameplay alterations to the typical Sonic formula.
When I was 16, I got it in my head to make a Sonic fangame that was a Metroidvania. On and off for a period of about ten years, I tried to figure out a way to make it work. And I never did, at least not satisfactorily.
Rather than simply shackle myself to that stupid idea any longer, I finally stopped the insanity and gave up a couple years ago.
sonikokaruto
Banned
i find the level design really confusing and the enemies really blend with the background. I don't like that.
I'm still gonna play it till the end,
I'm still gonna play it till the end,
After all these years I still detest the second boss. Is there some trick I'm missing? I eventually get it, of course, but it's just frustrating trying to aim Sonic into the correct area especially when there are so many things in your way. Just an awful boss, I think.
Professor Beef
Banned
Ugh. Just...ugh.
A Huge Battleship
Member
Yeah, and if you want to get the Time Stone + Saviour of the Planet achievements/trophies in the same run you need to make sure you get the last stone during Metallic Madness 2. You can quit and load all you want.
I mad.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Boo, my #1 time in Tidal Tempest Act 3 was beaten by a guy who did it in 44 seconds (versus my 50 seconds).
A guy who doesn't have a single achievement in Sonic CD despite somehow beating my time by a full six seconds.
*cough*
A guy who doesn't have a single achievement in Sonic CD despite somehow beating my time by a full six seconds.
*cough*
Host Samurai
Member
Whether you thought the sprites in IIHDR looked ugly is subjective, but you can't deny that the updated visuals looked bad at all. That is how most 8/16 bit era games and sequels should look, especially platformers. Cartoon characters look a bit strange to me when they are not rendered in 2D. It looses a bit of color and character. Look at the NSMB and compare it to the sprite Mario games, even compare it to SPM and you can see the difference.
RadarScope1
Member
Haven't had a chance to play this yet, but all the talk here of how exploration is necessary is making me want to. Sonic games have never really grabbed me because I tend to like precision and exploration over speed and memorization when it comes to my platformers.
Either way, I'm certainly going to buy this for the same reason I bought games like Ikaruga, Final Fight: DI and the last Genesis collection. I want to support retro ports done right. These games deserve to chance to be played by all.
Either way, I'm certainly going to buy this for the same reason I bought games like Ikaruga, Final Fight: DI and the last Genesis collection. I want to support retro ports done right. These games deserve to chance to be played by all.
I've dreamed of this same exact idea for years.
alf717
Member
With Sonic already on XBLA how could they do Retro Engine ports without it looking confusing on the marketplace? Would you get a discount if you already own the ports? Or would they just update those games instead? Either way Sega if you read anything here on NeoGAF I would gladly buy each Sonic title 1 - 3 + Knuckles using Taxman's Retro Engine.
Exactly why I hate the Homing Attack in 2D Sonic. Enemies become a joke. That and it encourages SEGA to make really lame enemies that do absolutely nothing. See: Bubbles from Sonic 4.
Homing Attack should of have just been a shield Power Up or something in 2D Sonic if they wanted it so badly.
But the last Genesis collection embodies everything that is wrong with retro re-releases. Ugly smoothing filter always on, with the option to make it worse; permanent border art that sometimes clashes with the game's visuals, when the standalone retro re-releases by the same company allowed for black borders; and just an overall rushed, half-assed feeling to everything -- the front-end, the border art, the fact that even in the PAL release they only give you the US box arts. I think they even reused the interview videos from the PS2 Genesis collection. You also can't lock on Sonic & Knuckles to anything.
The only good things I can say about the job they did are: the number of games is nice (but numbers are what you need to sell a collection like that anyway, it wasn't done out of the kindness of their hearts or anything), the emulation is good for the most part ("but after twelve fucking years, it should be"), and the Master System and arcade extras are awesome (though what they did to Space Harrier is unforgivable).
Final Fight: Double Impact is one of the greatest though. A real labor of love.
RadarScope1
Member
It's a good question. I wondered this, too. I think the cleanest way would be to de-list the old ones, then put at least some marketing push behind the new ones to make people aware.
But this question is the reason why I don't think we'll see the older games given this treatment.
Android18a
Member
I think the way to do it would be release it as a 'Sonic 16-bit Remastered Collection' download. Perhaps all 4 Sonic titles in one purchase on the engine. A definite seperate release to the individual 'ports'.
Either that or use the engine to create new, original Sonic games... *drool*
Either that or use the engine to create new, original Sonic games... *drool*
RadarScope1
Member
Yeah it's not perfect but a good buy for me. I didn't have a Genesis in the 90s and didn't buy any of the previous such collections, so the value paired with solid if not perfect emulation was good for me. Also, I thought the unfiltered filter (if that makes sense) was pretty nice. Not RGB crisp but pretty close to sprites-on-CRT quality. Could be a matter of taste I suppose.