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Sonic Generations |OT| What Sonic can learn from Sonic
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Phonomezer
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Sega1991 said:
Gotta go fast O_O
maniac-kun
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Havent decided to buy this yet (TO MANY GAMES AT ONCE). Is it worth it? My fav. Sonic game is Sonic 2.
Phonomezer
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Throavium said:
Yep :lol
Slightly Live
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maniac-kun said:
You might be sorely disappointed if you're expecting this game to be anywhere near as awesome as the older games.
I'd put it on the back burner if you have other games demanding attention. Though the game is short - a rental could probably deliver 80% of the entire game.
Azure Dream
Member
Slightly Live said:
If "1 run through the level, enough to scrape by with a "pat you on the head" good grade" is all you count as content, perhaps.
But the game's levels are expansive, full of multiple routes, many you won't even notice on your original playthrough. Getting an S rank is easy, that much has been established. But the game makes exploring the levels very rewarding, and as you can see by some of the repeated posters in this thread, really shines as you improve your times through them better and better, learning new routes and tricks. These aren't campaign stages you play through once for the story and never need to play through again.
And yes, the game is awesome. It's not perfect, it does still have flaws, but they've done an admirable job of turning 3D stages into 2D classic-style levels, while at the same time improving on the Unleashed and Colors "Modern" gameplay dramatically.
Android18a
Member
Throavium said:
9 Mins on Modern, 13 on Classic
Is it me, or is the games claim that "Classic stages are easier" is a lot of bull? I've been playing Sonic since I was a kid with a Megadrive, but I found the Modern stages a LOT easier on this game. Maybe thats why I actually... kind of prefer Modern now.
Ben Morales
Member
Planet Wisp was so long it gave me headache. I was getting so frustrated. But, you can bet I'll be back for more after I take a break. By the way, how do you unlock the
Homing Attack Classic Sonic? That would help tremendously in some of these levels.
Azure Dream
Member
CecilMcW00t said:
You get all the red rings on Classic Planet Wisp.
*Iizuka trollface*
Ben Morales
Member
Kulock said:
*Cries uncontrollably*
I won't let the terrorists win! I'm gonna grab a beer and have at it. XD
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I've just realized that I've been singing and humming "Live and Learn" and "Free" all day today. :O
All according to keikaku? :lolAndroid18a said:9 Mins on Modern, 13 on Classic
Is it me, or is the games claim that "Classic stages are easier" is a lot of bull? I've been playing Sonic since I was a kid with a Megadrive, but I found the Modern stages a LOT easier on this game. Maybe thats why I actually... kind of prefer Modern now.
I've noticed that as you go through the level more, you get through it a little faster. I empathize... as gorgeous as the greenery portions Planet Wisp were, it let me down a little in terms of its use of the Spikes powerup and the fact that it took place in the interior rather than the exterior. It's nice to finally see it in HD, though.CecilMcW00t said:
Ben Morales
Member
Dark Schala said:
Just got done collecting the last two rings I needed and it wasn't nearly as bad as the first time. You are right, it does get faster. I also JUST realized you can dash while on those gears. That's what I get for turning off Omochao and not paying attention. >_>;
AlphaDragoon
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I just need two Red Rings in Seaside Hill Classic and I'll have them all. Classic Sonic is a mega pain in the ass to get them with. XD
tackling planet wisp before i finish rooftop run. i want to go out with a bang, since that one's the best of the modern era. that modern challenge act with the lightspeed rings, wall jumps, and stomps was awesome. why the fuck was that not in the planet wisp level instead of rocket spam? god dammit, sega.
oh, and that awful classic sonic catch blaze challenge was something i s-ranked, with a time of 00:00.00. beat that.
oh, and that awful classic sonic catch blaze challenge was something i s-ranked, with a time of 00:00.00. beat that.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
I just realized you can't use your customized skills in the challenge acts, which sucks since they are the bulk of the game.
HEY SONIC! GUESS WHAT!?
Not my picture, didnt have my camera ready but this is what exactly just happened.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
So do we have any idea what the DLC is, when it's coming, and what platforms are getting it?
Actually... is DLC even official?
Actually... is DLC even official?
AlphaDragoon
Member
Keasar said:HEY SONIC! GUESS WHAT!?
Not my picture, didnt have my camera ready but this is what exactly just happened.
I said, "Shit, yes, finally" when I saw that on my game. Then proceeded to blast through levels as Classic Sonic much, MUCH easier.
I got all the Red Rings now on Classic and Modern, and all S Ranks on the main stages. Gotta do the Challenge Acts now.
ThatObviousUser
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Yeah. Homing attack is fine, even for classic Sonic. That's been my stance since Sonic 4. Its a fun mechanic that doesn't impact level design nearly as much as it's detractors would have you believe.
But I'm also sort of a stickler for classic Sonic's design (meaning, I was calling for it to be used in Sonic 4.) So I might be somehow hypocritical.
But I'm also sort of a stickler for classic Sonic's design (meaning, I was calling for it to be used in Sonic 4.) So I might be somehow hypocritical.
BlazeHedgehog
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SuperAngelo64 said:
It's got a DLC tab in Steam and they only do that for games that either already have DLC or will have DLC at some point in the future. The game obviously has DLC support, too. The Casino Night Pre-Order Bonus on consoles isn't a 108kb key, it's a 55mb separate download.
If I had to guess I'd say the first DLC would probably be "Hard Mode" for the levels. Every Sonic game since SA2 has had some form of "Hard Mode", sometimes even going beyond that. Heroes had Hard Mode challenges and then once you 100%'d the game, a new "Super Hard Mode" unlocked - same for Shadow the Hedgehog.
Sonic 2k6 did something similar, with "Hard mode" versions of every stage, but you could also buy DLC for a "Very Hard Mode" and poking around in the game's executable file it was discovered that a second hard mode DLC above that was also planned (but never released).
Sonic Unleashed's DLC was somewhat similar - they frequently added additional "Acts" to each world, including harder versions of existing levels.
Seems like a logical, if pointless, place for Generations to start.
The difference in Sonic 4 was that the levels were built around the homing attack and it became a necessity, and there were of course bigger issues such as the messed up physics and terrible sound.
The difference in Generations is that the game was built (or at least published) without the homing attack, and is absolutely fine without it. If the HA was a power up in Sonic 4, I've be cool with it.
The difference in Generations is that the game was built (or at least published) without the homing attack, and is absolutely fine without it. If the HA was a power up in Sonic 4, I've be cool with it.
Keasar said:HEY SONIC! GUESS WHAT!?
Not my picture, didnt have my camera ready but this is what exactly just happened.
How did you get that?
BlazeHedgehog
Member
K701 said:
All Red Star Rings in Act 1 of Planet Wisp.
Diablohead
Member
still 1 sec off my pc time but reclaimed #1 speed highway modern on xbl
*edit* just redeemed my codes from the LE, why do I get DLC pack 1 and 3, but not 2? super sonic costume is for the avatar, and the 4th code is for a female.
*edit* just redeemed my codes from the LE, why do I get DLC pack 1 and 3, but not 2? super sonic costume is for the avatar, and the 4th code is for a female.
Narpas Sword0
Member
Anyone else miss achievements for restoring a level? I don't have chemical plant zone. A few people mention this on another site but no solution was found. At least it's only level 2, if it comes to a new save file.
Bucket-o-roadkill
Member
I think I can officially say that Generations is the most fun I've had with a modern Sonic game since the DC Sonic Adventure 1. I swear the soundtrack is one of the best ever. It actually reminds me of the feelings I had listening to the soundtrack of SA1 aswell, the remixes of old songs you enjoyed as a child cant help but make you smile.
Who can forget the awesome remixes of the songs from 16 bit Sonic Blast in SA1, Generations' remixes give the same vibe to me. Sonic games ALWAYS do music right.
That
rpg can die in a fire. It doesn't count...!
Who can forget the awesome remixes of the songs from 16 bit Sonic Blast in SA1, Generations' remixes give the same vibe to me. Sonic games ALWAYS do music right.
That
Bioware
spindashing
Banned
We don't talk about that game in here.Bucket-o-roadkill said:
Don't get Professor Beef to link us to the awesome OST.
Dark Octave
Banned
Nvrmnd.
Dual avatars wtf.
Dual avatars wtf.
spindashing
Banned
I know this game made a lot of people cry delicious tears and I love it.
Edit: No. Right before the first boss. After Sky Sanctuary.
Near City Escape if I remember correctly?VerTiGo said:
Edit: No. Right before the first boss. After Sky Sanctuary.
Zomba13
Member
It took me around 5-6 hours to finish the game and by finish I mean just the essential stuff, the 2 acts for each zone and a challenge and the bosses.Kulock said:
I'm up to 11 hours and I still have an 'era' worth of challenges/red rings to get (got some rings but not all) and still need to S rank some stages/bosses. Also haven't even tried any of the online record setting stuff as it wont work for me.
If you don't care about 100% the game or doing the challenges and stuff and just want to play through once then give it a rent but I'd say you'd be missing the meat of the game. It's all well and good if you just want to take a tour through some stages from the Sonic franchise and get nostalgic with Classic Sonic, Tails and Robotnik but if you want to do everything and set times etc I'd recommend buying it
Wait, I thought
was supposed to be bad?
(Those are endgame unlockable spoilers, by the way.)
Modern Super Sonic
I don't see that, because, you know, he can fly. It's true that if you hold down Boost, you'll get your rings drained in ten seconds flat. But that's not how you're supposed to play Super Sonic, it seems. Try tapping boost instead. You'll still want to collect rings, of course, but he's not a as big a ring-hog (heh) as you'd think like this.
If you want a quick proof of concept, get to the final checkpoint before the end stretch in Green Hill. Go Super and hit Boost, briefly. Keep hitting Boost briefly as you start to slow down, and you'll go airborne. Super Sonic can use Boost as many times in the air as he wants to. Or the truck chase in City Escape. You'll leave it in the dust as Super Sonic just hurls himself through the air and keeps to the track still. I didn't even see it crash, I just plain outran/flew it.
I need to try Super Sonic on other levels, I wonder if I can use him in the Shadow fight? Or Silver. That'd be a laugh.
If you want a quick proof of concept, get to the final checkpoint before the end stretch in Green Hill. Go Super and hit Boost, briefly. Keep hitting Boost briefly as you start to slow down, and you'll go airborne. Super Sonic can use Boost as many times in the air as he wants to. Or the truck chase in City Escape. You'll leave it in the dust as Super Sonic just hurls himself through the air and keeps to the track still. I didn't even see it crash, I just plain outran/flew it.
I need to try Super Sonic on other levels, I wonder if I can use him in the Shadow fight? Or Silver. That'd be a laugh.
spindashing
Banned
McNum said:
Modern Super Sonic gets you to higher ground so that you can access places were red rings are more likely to be.
I think it's Classic Sonic that literally does nothing for your gameplay other than a change in appearance. He's not faster or anything if I remember correctly.
I think it's Classic Sonic that literally does nothing for your gameplay other than a change in appearance. He's not faster or anything if I remember correctly.
AbsoluteZero
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Narpas Sword0 said:
Don't feel bad, I missed out on Restoring Planet Wisp, which means I had to play almost half of the game all over again.
Returned the game to Blockbuster. Gonna try and pick it up for cheap down the road.
Wanted to say I had a great time with it. After not playing a sonic games for a long, long time I found myself smiling ear to ear on most stages. I really enjoyed the classic Sonic stages and to a lesser extent, the modern sonic stuff. That was due to mostly the 3D space and the lacking in control I sometimes felt.
There is a lot of skill involved though and replaying stages as modern sonic I could definitely see myself getting better times and grades. Still, sometimes I felt I slowed down to much which meant losing a lot of momentum and enjoyment from the game.
I urge anyone who hasn't given Sonic a shot in a long time to try this puppy out. A lot of pure gaming fun.
That last boss can suck a chaos emerald'd dick though. And I hardly say that.
Wanted to say I had a great time with it. After not playing a sonic games for a long, long time I found myself smiling ear to ear on most stages. I really enjoyed the classic Sonic stages and to a lesser extent, the modern sonic stuff. That was due to mostly the 3D space and the lacking in control I sometimes felt.
There is a lot of skill involved though and replaying stages as modern sonic I could definitely see myself getting better times and grades. Still, sometimes I felt I slowed down to much which meant losing a lot of momentum and enjoyment from the game.
I urge anyone who hasn't given Sonic a shot in a long time to try this puppy out. A lot of pure gaming fun.
That last boss can suck a chaos emerald'd dick though. And I hardly say that.
Oh, right. Spoilers. Didn't think about that, since you know, it usually happens. Marked it just in case anyway.spindashing said:
The Classic one, I can't figure out either. Apart from looking really adorable in the victory screen. The Flame Shield is probably better than Super Sonic and that's a shame. Well, you DO get to be invulnerable, so that's a plus. But compared to Sonic 4 Super Sonic, the classic one is a bit lame. The one in Sonic 4 was just powerful. Sonic 3 and Knuckles' Hyper Sonic was just stupidly overpowered, too.
But I might just keep the Modern one equipped for now. I need to check if this flight-lite can be used for something.
But I might just keep the Modern one equipped for now. I need to check if this flight-lite can be used for something.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Verve said:
I swear, Sonic Team fucked up the Colors level on purpose just so people don't know there is another decent Sonic game out there.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Speaking of Red Star rings on planet Wisp, for the life of me I can't get that final red ring on classic. Charmy says it's near the entrance of the factory in a small room and you have to use a spike wisp to find it. I looked all over. Up and down that entrance. Used the lightning shield to help me cheat around and I can't find that damn red star ring anywhere!!
Either the game messed up and is telling me the wrong red ring location or I'm blind. XP
Either the game messed up and is telling me the wrong red ring location or I'm blind. XP
AbsoluteZero
Banned
RobbieNick said:
No, he's telling you the right area, it's there, keep looking.
I want to say it's actually in the factory though, though very close to the entrance.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
AbsoluteZero said:
Do I take the top route?
Eh, I don't think so. I've tried to play through Colors and felt the same way here. I simply don't like the types of stages Colors focuses on. Almost every area is made up of a bunch of thin, floating platforms and a heavy focus on Wisps. The stages simply don't flow as well as I'd like.morningbus said:
AbsoluteZero
Banned
RobbieNick said:
I seem to remember it being on a lower path, but near the ceiling of that path.
If that makes any sense.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
AbsoluteZero said:
Since we're dealing with spikes, yes it does.