Combichristoffersen
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Lijik said:
I hope Sonic used the car to run over her
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Sonic Generations |OT| What Sonic can learn from Sonic
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I hope Sonic used the car to run over her
The Technomancer
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Sonic R was so close to being awesome. All they needed to do was make it a bit faster.Combichristoffersen said:
Seven Force
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Yeah. She was still pretty terrible to use, though.Lijik said:
Funnily enough, I did know that, but I understood it as "Chun-Li is married to Guile."RobbieNick said:
Holy shitTimmiT said:
also this:
I don't even know if serious, but boothisman.gif all the same
What the fuckkkkkkkkkTimmiT said:
And fix those fucking turns :/The_Technomancer said:
DICKS AHOY
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what the fuck was i just watching
Box of Bunnies
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The_Technomancer said:
Only problem I have with it is the relative dearth of content. All it needed was more courses.
Azure Dream
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I've noticed Speedrunners on Unleashed, Colors and Generations all seem to avoid the boosters on the rails, usually rail-changing past them, even when they're just otherwise riding the rail normally and aren't about to leap off early. Is it because they boost you slower than you can naturally boost?
DICKS AHOY
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I notice they seem to short hop a lot. Is there an actual speedrunning purpose behind that other than to showcase what I felt was the dumbest move next to the slide
Unleashed introduced?
and boost
Professor Beef
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Would you say they've GOTTA GO FAST?The_Technomancer said:
Azure Dream
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Throavium said:
Running isn't an issue since I'm talking about the ones mounted on rails, but yeah, I agree with it probably being that loss of control + potential speed capping. Just sometimes it looks a bit unnecessary, but it probably adds up.
The commercial is up on youtube, sadly it's got no sound, but yeah, looking really epic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYerOBxZt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYerOBxZt4
Aaron Strife
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Wonder if they'll reveal the last two levels anytime soon.ShadiWulf said:
I seem to recall hearing Tropical Resort and Sand Oasis but it'd be nice to have some confirmation, obviously.
PeakPointMatrix
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Mmm, reminds me of the first time I saw a Sonic Adventure commercial on TV. I'm sure if I saw this as a kid I would be in pain for every second I didn't have it.ShadiWulf said:
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Just out of curiosity, how much is it gonna cost me in import fees for the collector's edition? I pre-ordered from Amazon Germany and live in California.
Spindash has always been overpowered, I don't see what's the deal with Generations' version of it. The only game in the franchise that had a good spindash was Sonic CD. It had a small warm up time, long enough to make you think twice about using it. That and the level design encouraged you not to use it, too.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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RobbieNick said:
Enjoy your "USK-Flatschen"
You will know what I mean when it arrives.RobbieNick
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Muchi Muchi Pink said:Enjoy your "USK-Flatschen"
I kinda need to know now. If it's over like, 50 bucks in import fees then I need to cancel.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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RobbieNick said:
Wasn't talking about shipping, sorry. But if it's the same as US <-> Germany it's not too expensive. Should be around a maxium of 15 (21$). But don't know for sure.
: Sorry I thought about shipping costs not import fees. Can't help you with that.
No way, spindash was under control in the genesis games. You can spindash and jump in a very narrow window to gain instantaneous momentum so you can reach a high platform that would be impossible to reach otherwise.Lopson said:
In Sonic Generations once you release the button, Sonic launches like a rocket in the direction you are facing. You can still jump, but by the time you land you have gone trough half of the stage.
Shizzlee
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I'm no speedrun master, but I can clear some of this stuff up a little because I have tried my hand in it.
Most dash panels on the ground and on rails slow you down. Some are faster than normal. It's weird, I know. xD On the dash panels that do give you more speed than normal in Unleashed and Generations, it's beneficial to abuse them. Most people use slide or short hop.
You can do this in the Generations demo actually. Before the pit with platforms and rails and stuff in front of the waterfall there are two dash panels. Both of them makes Sonic go faster than normal. Hold boost and hold forward on the D-pad since it's more accurate than the control stick then short hop a little bit after Sonic passes over the second the dash panel. If done right then you should clear the whole gap and land right infront of the dash panels before the trick ramp. The D-pad can also be used in the Generations demo like the control stick. I find it better for tricks and switching rails.
Short hopping in Unleashed, Colors, and Generations keep up your speed better than full jumping, Unleashed especially with how sliding breaks that game. Let me explain. In Unleashed, if you slide then interrupt it with something instantly say a Quick Step or a short hop then Sonic goes way faster than normal. You can test the quick step thing in Unleashed on Rooftop Run day. Anywhere you have robots chasing you on a set path hold the slide button and boost button while spamming the quick step. Sonic goes way faster than normal if you time it right. The best place to see the speed improvement is near the end of the level. They fixed this in the Generations demo and it doesn't work in Colors because you can only quick step in that game when it tells you to.
Another thing that was fixed in the Generations demo is horizontal drifting in Unleashed. It's sort of like snaking in a racing game. Hold boost and keep drifting to the left and right. Sonic goes faster than normal while gaining boost faster than it depletes it and this also makes him invincible to most enemies. In Generations, this seems to be fixed because Sonic returns to his neutral position or power hops before leaning to the other side which slows him down. It is faster to drift against certain walls in the demo how ever that works. It just does lol.
The Generations demo also has some weird rail tricks in it. On the red dash ring near the beginning of the level, if you hop through it then hit the spring it sends over a lone rail. If you press boost right before Sonic lands, he goes way faster than normal and continually switching rails keeps that speed up until you land on the other side. This also works on the rails in the cave. If you short hop over the dash panels there and boost right before you land on the rail then Sonic goes faster than normal and it's best to avoid the dash panels as they will slow you down. The timing for the rail trick in the cave is insanely difficult. If only I could do it consistently...
One more thing going on in the Generations demo is sliding after dash panels. Coming out of the first loop, if you mash the slide button then Sonic should break into a slide before he touches the checkpoint. Once you get him to slide, if you hold the slide button then Sonic slides through that part of the level fast as fuck and if you time a short hop right then some of that speed carries on through to the platform with the dash rings leading into a trick ring on it. Same works on the first half of the mobius strip in the latter part of the level.
Kulock said:
Most dash panels on the ground and on rails slow you down. Some are faster than normal. It's weird, I know. xD On the dash panels that do give you more speed than normal in Unleashed and Generations, it's beneficial to abuse them. Most people use slide or short hop.
You can do this in the Generations demo actually. Before the pit with platforms and rails and stuff in front of the waterfall there are two dash panels. Both of them makes Sonic go faster than normal. Hold boost and hold forward on the D-pad since it's more accurate than the control stick then short hop a little bit after Sonic passes over the second the dash panel. If done right then you should clear the whole gap and land right infront of the dash panels before the trick ramp. The D-pad can also be used in the Generations demo like the control stick. I find it better for tricks and switching rails.
Astrosanity said:
Short hopping in Unleashed, Colors, and Generations keep up your speed better than full jumping, Unleashed especially with how sliding breaks that game. Let me explain. In Unleashed, if you slide then interrupt it with something instantly say a Quick Step or a short hop then Sonic goes way faster than normal. You can test the quick step thing in Unleashed on Rooftop Run day. Anywhere you have robots chasing you on a set path hold the slide button and boost button while spamming the quick step. Sonic goes way faster than normal if you time it right. The best place to see the speed improvement is near the end of the level. They fixed this in the Generations demo and it doesn't work in Colors because you can only quick step in that game when it tells you to.
Another thing that was fixed in the Generations demo is horizontal drifting in Unleashed. It's sort of like snaking in a racing game. Hold boost and keep drifting to the left and right. Sonic goes faster than normal while gaining boost faster than it depletes it and this also makes him invincible to most enemies. In Generations, this seems to be fixed because Sonic returns to his neutral position or power hops before leaning to the other side which slows him down. It is faster to drift against certain walls in the demo how ever that works. It just does lol.
The Generations demo also has some weird rail tricks in it. On the red dash ring near the beginning of the level, if you hop through it then hit the spring it sends over a lone rail. If you press boost right before Sonic lands, he goes way faster than normal and continually switching rails keeps that speed up until you land on the other side. This also works on the rails in the cave. If you short hop over the dash panels there and boost right before you land on the rail then Sonic goes faster than normal and it's best to avoid the dash panels as they will slow you down. The timing for the rail trick in the cave is insanely difficult. If only I could do it consistently...
One more thing going on in the Generations demo is sliding after dash panels. Coming out of the first loop, if you mash the slide button then Sonic should break into a slide before he touches the checkpoint. Once you get him to slide, if you hold the slide button then Sonic slides through that part of the level fast as fuck and if you time a short hop right then some of that speed carries on through to the platform with the dash rings leading into a trick ring on it. Same works on the first half of the mobius strip in the latter part of the level.
qq more said:
I have, and I do agree that Generations' spindash is powerful, but so was Sonic 2/3's. What I'm trying to say is that the concept of the move itself is overpowered. I mean, in a game that's all about speed and momentum, you have a move which grants you maximum speed instantly with no penalty! Hence why I said Sonic CD was the only Sonic game with a good spindash, since in that game, you had to waste quite some time to charge it up and had to think very carefully about where to use it.
Tizoc
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How do you drift when playing as Modern? What buttons must I press on the PS3 controller?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_Ozb6tt6g&feature=player_embedded
Also, drifting while boosting slows down the gauge's depletion in case anyone didn't know =X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_Ozb6tt6g&feature=player_embedded
Also, drifting while boosting slows down the gauge's depletion in case anyone didn't know =X
BlazeHedgehog
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Tizoc said:
Triggers (L2/R2). Also, drifting doesn't just slow down the gauge's depletion - if you aren't boosting, it'll actually slowly recharge boost energy.
Hot Coldman
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Firestorm said:
Casino Night pinball mini-level.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Astrosanity said:
short hopping and drifting while boosting is faster than simple boosting because of the extra distance you cover.
Also, in unleashed, when that big robot chases you in some stages, its faster to let him you punch you forward than to just simply boost for the same reason.
some examples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xxWTaBV4WQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h4VR2u29fs
First review from Videogameszone.de: http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...Sonic-findet-zu-alter-Staerke-zurueck-851132/ (8.5/10)
The German magazine 360 Live also gave it an 8.5:
The German magazine 360 Live also gave it an 8.5:
Sonic Stadium Message Board said:
TheyTookOurJobs
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IF you're a sonic fan, I'm sure you dig it, but I'm not a sonic fan anymore. It demo'd pretty good though.
Vampire On Titus
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Lopson said:
You still have to maintain that momentum once you gain it with spin-dash, though. Penalties being if you use it too recklessly you're more likely to fall into a pit, or off the fastest path, miss a jump, etc.
It might not be such a concern in the earlier levels, but even then if you spin-dash it up with no reserve, there are consequences. The real test will be to see how it plays out in more complicated stages. Which could be available in video, but I'm trying not to expose myself to too much media on the game.
See You Next Wednesday
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Pietepiet said:
Come on, have you even played Unleashed or Colors?
Each level was re-playable several times over to get & see everything.
I played the demo 3 times & was able to play see new areas & shortcuts each time.
Gameplay of a mission where
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCcj0Foq8w&t=1m30s
Also has a remix of
you race against Knuckles on an alternate version of Green Hill with huge enemies
Also has a remix of
Super Sonic Racing.
PeakPointMatrix
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I don't know, Unleashed took ages to beat thanks to the werehog/medal collecting stuff. It's the main thing keeping me from replaying the game.JonCha said:
PeakPointMatrix
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The sunset edit on Green Hill is awesome. Can't wait to the lighting changes in other stages. The remix is cool too, although I'd hope the original (actually the entire soundtrack) is unlockable.
