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Sonic Generations |OT| What Sonic can learn from Sonic
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Paracelsus
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Green Scar said:
Other than that I mixed rooftop run with city escape :E
Hot Coldman
Banned
Berordn said:
Don't be silly, buy the HD version. Unless you can't. In which case, reggiewrongwithyou.gif
Professor Beef
Banned
2/10Berordn said:
Hot Coldman
Banned
Berordn said:
Oh, good, yeah, don't buy the 3DS version, lol, you made the smart choice
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Odd, because SEGA confirmed the release dates for the 3DS version a week or two ago. Must've gotten delayed again (I thought the NP release date was outdated, but oh well).Nora Kisaragi said:
Regardless, that version needs work. A delay might be a good thing; it doesn't need to meet the time period for the 20th anniversary. I just want a good game.
I honestly don't think SEGA knows what they are doing with the release date for the 3DS version. It looks like they had planned to delay it at one point, with so many places listing a release date for next year.Dark Schala said:
SEGA.com still says Nov 2011 for the 3DS version.. so who knows what they plan on doing.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Dark Schala said:
More like half assed unprofessional reviews that critiques the game unfairly.
I miss the the glory days of EGM, Gamefan, Gamestop, IGN (before all the editors & staff changed/left) when a review actually meant something & had some weight behind their words. Instead of the random drivel that might as well be coming from any 11 year old with access to a computer.
Professor Beef
Banned
it's a picture of youBerordn said:
boom roasted
Azure Dream
Member
Way too many reviewers complaining about 60 FPS, it's pretty obvious it's being used as an easy talking point. Especially since some don't seem to realize that the level of graphics present aren't really possible on the consoles at 60 FPS, some seem to think it's just like Sega forgot to flick the 60 FPS switch.
If this game gets a lower Metacritic average than Sonic 4... that's just bullshit. If a reviewer references Sonic 4 as being positive over this game, I know just by playing Green Hill they don't know what they're talking about. Even if they claim the later stages are ass, which I don't personally believe, if there's even four Classic stages as good as Green Hill (and the missions which are in many cases new stages and routes), along with one decent boss, Sonic 4 has been kicked to the curb by sheer math alone. Oh, right, and there's the 3D sections they've been raving about. But it's not as good as Sonic 4!
Bullshit.
I guess most of us will know in a day or so.
If this game gets a lower Metacritic average than Sonic 4... that's just bullshit. If a reviewer references Sonic 4 as being positive over this game, I know just by playing Green Hill they don't know what they're talking about. Even if they claim the later stages are ass, which I don't personally believe, if there's even four Classic stages as good as Green Hill (and the missions which are in many cases new stages and routes), along with one decent boss, Sonic 4 has been kicked to the curb by sheer math alone. Oh, right, and there's the 3D sections they've been raving about. But it's not as good as Sonic 4!
Bullshit.
I guess most of us will know in a day or so.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Thanks for the warning, good thing they were having errors this morning or I would have read it.Miri said:
ViewtifulJC
Banned
If anything should move as fast and smooth as possible, it should be Sonic.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Oh.Kulock said:
Don't read the LOLtastic Gamereactor Norway "joke" review. Regardless, I don't think it counts towards the overall Metacritic score. It says something like, "Big applause for the XBLA title Sonic 4, an episodic tribute to the hedgehog's happier days," and, "As mentioned, there is nothing wrong with 2D platforming segments of the game... other than that we could get the same enjoyment from Sonic 4 on XBLA for a cheaper price."
It's a good thing I just skimmed it over without processing many details except for the concluding paragraph. Actually, that's kind of what I've done for most of these European reviews.Miri said:
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Honestly, the review that seems thought out and written the best is the destructoid one of all reviews...
Itchy//Tasty
Member
QisTopTier said:
I thought the Gamesradar one was pretty good myself. That guy definitely played it as much as humanly possible. o_0
Guys, what are you talking about? Sonic 4 is a great fun game! I mean sure the controls are awkward and stiff and uh... the physics are off... and uh... the speed is inconsistent... and the visuals may look very amateurish... and the music may sound like uh... dying cats... and the game length may be 4 zones long... and uh... the price may be a bit too much for what it is... and uh... poor level design... and uh... ...uh... if you ignore all of that then you'll enjoy the game!
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!Nocturnowl
Member
URRRRRRGH! that there sums up my thoughts on the rail canyon stages of Sonic Heroes...
Rail canyon: Well it looks nice, immediately the player is greeted by the random grinding controls which seem to work by spamming the b button (GC version, oh yes) so that Sonic and chums are constantly flipping around like a few screws have come loose which is quite appropriate as a good majority of the rails in this stage are prone to falling apart. You know I was playing this and thinking "boy this game really does get some undeserved hate, yep it's pretty decent for one of the feared 3D Sonic games and this rail canyon isn't that ba-WHY DID YOU FALL THROUGH THE RAIL?!"
This stage was a disaster, I died at least 6 times at the same checkpoint, only one of those deaths did I feel was my fault, punished for going too fast, punished for going too slow, punished for daring to try and play the game! This stage could have been good, what's not to love about trains of death? the stage is pretty much autopilot except occasionally it decides to kill you for laughs, well i'm not laughing at all.
The true low-light was a section with shield enemies and a pole that would raise upon killing the enemies, so the plan is to sonic tornado the enemy shields away except that for no apparent reason when putting the input in for the tornado move Sonic would zoom over to the unraised pole and suddenly shoot off the stage to his death and I had no way to stop it, and brilliantly this wasn't a one off glitch as I died two more times this way until I decided that maybe, just maybe the Sonic Tornado wasn't worth trying here.
Bullet Station: More of the same but worse! boring slow switch finding sections? oh yeah we got them! At one point you get fired out a massive cannon sending sonic hurtling through a canyon at high speeds, upon emerging through this cannon I veered right to hit an item balloon, got a 1 up which was immediately cashed in since Sonic suddenly dropped down the gap in between three grind rails.
The random kart sections return, except now with dangers! laser grids must be jumped over, brilliantly they are coloured red in a stage full of red, orange and brown, I tripped three of these leading to the most odd death in Sonic game history, Tails just kind of hopped off the kart as the last one of the team, landed on the wide platform which could be easily walked across, stood still and then I lost a life, yeah lets ignore the fact Tails is very much alive.
The final moment has you using another giant cannon section to blast into an Eggman base which is like made of cardboard I guess since there was nothing inside it, why he has a cannon aiming at his base I have no clue.
Boss- Egg Albatross: Actually it's just the egg hawk again but with a zeppelin attached, same old homing attack spam saves the day, rehash.
The after boss cutscene delivers a shocking twist, the Eggman in the albatross was a fake robot and all of this was a distraction so that he could bombard the world with Eggman brand Koopaling style doom ships. Tails spots that the fake Eggman isn't actually an Eggman robot but since no one listens to Tails he doesn't get to spoil the Metal Sonic twist.
Frog Forest: After the travesty of the last 2 stages that destroyed any goodwill the game had gained this was like top tier stuff, nothing much to say here the stage works well, looks nice and has frogs that summon rainstorms so you can bounce across giant shrooms, also the return of the A rank and "That was TIGHT!" roared back in with a vengeance. I even got another special stage attempt, they control even worse than the pinball.
Lost Jungle: And back to the crap we go, this level plays so awkwardly, it just feels wrong, bad camera abounds and the debut of the annoying big hammer robots. Music sounds like a jumbled mess and the vine swinging is overly finicky which is a problem when the entire last section involves jumping across twenty odd vines with an erratic camera mixed with a chase view for the giant croc trying to eat you...and here I thought the game was getting its groove back but instead I get killed for going too fast down a grind root.
Boss- Team Angst: "It'll be a date to DIE for!" is all that needs to be said. Sonic doesn't seem too bewildered by the return of the formerly dead Shadow but if memory serves the twist is that he's actually one of many shadow robots, was this ever explained in later games? oh well. Sonic Tornado is so broken in this fight that Brawl Meta Knight's Mach tornado weeps.
I'm drained after this batch of messy and glitch filled levels, just 4 more stages to go which i'll suffer through tomorrow, URRRGH!
Rail canyon: Well it looks nice, immediately the player is greeted by the random grinding controls which seem to work by spamming the b button (GC version, oh yes) so that Sonic and chums are constantly flipping around like a few screws have come loose which is quite appropriate as a good majority of the rails in this stage are prone to falling apart. You know I was playing this and thinking "boy this game really does get some undeserved hate, yep it's pretty decent for one of the feared 3D Sonic games and this rail canyon isn't that ba-WHY DID YOU FALL THROUGH THE RAIL?!"
This stage was a disaster, I died at least 6 times at the same checkpoint, only one of those deaths did I feel was my fault, punished for going too fast, punished for going too slow, punished for daring to try and play the game! This stage could have been good, what's not to love about trains of death? the stage is pretty much autopilot except occasionally it decides to kill you for laughs, well i'm not laughing at all.
The true low-light was a section with shield enemies and a pole that would raise upon killing the enemies, so the plan is to sonic tornado the enemy shields away except that for no apparent reason when putting the input in for the tornado move Sonic would zoom over to the unraised pole and suddenly shoot off the stage to his death and I had no way to stop it, and brilliantly this wasn't a one off glitch as I died two more times this way until I decided that maybe, just maybe the Sonic Tornado wasn't worth trying here.
Bullet Station: More of the same but worse! boring slow switch finding sections? oh yeah we got them! At one point you get fired out a massive cannon sending sonic hurtling through a canyon at high speeds, upon emerging through this cannon I veered right to hit an item balloon, got a 1 up which was immediately cashed in since Sonic suddenly dropped down the gap in between three grind rails.
The random kart sections return, except now with dangers! laser grids must be jumped over, brilliantly they are coloured red in a stage full of red, orange and brown, I tripped three of these leading to the most odd death in Sonic game history, Tails just kind of hopped off the kart as the last one of the team, landed on the wide platform which could be easily walked across, stood still and then I lost a life, yeah lets ignore the fact Tails is very much alive.
The final moment has you using another giant cannon section to blast into an Eggman base which is like made of cardboard I guess since there was nothing inside it, why he has a cannon aiming at his base I have no clue.
Boss- Egg Albatross: Actually it's just the egg hawk again but with a zeppelin attached, same old homing attack spam saves the day, rehash.
The after boss cutscene delivers a shocking twist, the Eggman in the albatross was a fake robot and all of this was a distraction so that he could bombard the world with Eggman brand Koopaling style doom ships. Tails spots that the fake Eggman isn't actually an Eggman robot but since no one listens to Tails he doesn't get to spoil the Metal Sonic twist.
Frog Forest: After the travesty of the last 2 stages that destroyed any goodwill the game had gained this was like top tier stuff, nothing much to say here the stage works well, looks nice and has frogs that summon rainstorms so you can bounce across giant shrooms, also the return of the A rank and "That was TIGHT!" roared back in with a vengeance. I even got another special stage attempt, they control even worse than the pinball.
Lost Jungle: And back to the crap we go, this level plays so awkwardly, it just feels wrong, bad camera abounds and the debut of the annoying big hammer robots. Music sounds like a jumbled mess and the vine swinging is overly finicky which is a problem when the entire last section involves jumping across twenty odd vines with an erratic camera mixed with a chase view for the giant croc trying to eat you...and here I thought the game was getting its groove back but instead I get killed for going too fast down a grind root.
Boss- Team Angst: "It'll be a date to DIE for!" is all that needs to be said. Sonic doesn't seem too bewildered by the return of the formerly dead Shadow but if memory serves the twist is that he's actually one of many shadow robots, was this ever explained in later games? oh well. Sonic Tornado is so broken in this fight that Brawl Meta Knight's Mach tornado weeps.
I'm drained after this batch of messy and glitch filled levels, just 4 more stages to go which i'll suffer through tomorrow, URRRGH!
Dark Schala said:
I think that reviewers would be more generous to a game taht's decent/good but short than one that is average/bad but long.
Nora Kisaragi said:
Sega really is commited to rebuilding Sonic, as was their stated intention some years ago. Things are only getting better and better.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I really liked the Juegos db review myself. It was three pages long and they seemed to play it as much as possible to unlock stuff.
Links to reviews/review translations collected so far in this thread:
IGN
Destructoid
Gamesradar
PlayStation: The Official Magazine; Video Games Zone.de
CVG
Gamecentral
Meristation; GamingXP
Now Gamer, Games TM, VideoGamer.com
Jeux Vidéo Network
Game Informer (caution about spoilers)
OXM UK
OXM US
4players.de
Vandal Online, Juegos db, 3D Juegos, Gamereactor Sweden
1Up
GameTrailers (Video Review -- caution about spoilers)
Links to reviews/review translations collected so far in this thread:
IGN
Destructoid
Gamesradar
PlayStation: The Official Magazine; Video Games Zone.de
CVG
Gamecentral
Meristation; GamingXP
Now Gamer, Games TM, VideoGamer.com
Jeux Vidéo Network
Game Informer (caution about spoilers)
OXM UK
OXM US
4players.de
Vandal Online, Juegos db, 3D Juegos, Gamereactor Sweden
1Up
GameTrailers (Video Review -- caution about spoilers)
Nocturnowl
Member
well if you didn't there would have probably been more disgust, how the hell those rail stages passed testing I have no idea, they play far worse than I rememberSciz said:
Azure Dream
Member
(Meant to send this earlier, got delayed.)
The worst part is I don't want to sound like one of those "Rah rah rah how dare you crap on the game I'm hyped for" fans, I know we just had a major thread of those from the Uncharted fans.
The problem is that Sonic 4 just gets some things fundamentally wrong, not even nerd things, just basic aspects like the level design and controls and music. To say that game handled it better than this game ("true 2D experience"? Well of course, they couldn't make 2.5D segments in Sonic 4 since they used prerendered sprites), which you can tell even from the unfinished demo that's incorrect... it doesn't give me a lot of confidence in your publication.
Rlan: You could put a Classic Sonic wallpaper on one monitor, and a Modern Sonic on the other one.
The worst part is I don't want to sound like one of those "Rah rah rah how dare you crap on the game I'm hyped for" fans, I know we just had a major thread of those from the Uncharted fans.
The problem is that Sonic 4 just gets some things fundamentally wrong, not even nerd things, just basic aspects like the level design and controls and music. To say that game handled it better than this game ("true 2D experience"? Well of course, they couldn't make 2.5D segments in Sonic 4 since they used prerendered sprites), which you can tell even from the unfinished demo that's incorrect... it doesn't give me a lot of confidence in your publication.
Rlan: You could put a Classic Sonic wallpaper on one monitor, and a Modern Sonic on the other one.
Hot Coldman
Banned
SONIC HE
the rest of the title was made un-viewable due to camera issues
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Oh yeah, that one was really well done too.Itchy//Tasty said:
Nocturnowl
Member
ever since starting the replay i've been racking my brain trying to remember why I hated that and the mansion stage, i'm kind of looking forward to rediscovering why.Berordn said:
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Sums up my experience with Sonic Heroes. My eyes do not get along with that game very much at all; it makes me nauseous. :/Green Scar said:
Edit: French Site jeuxcapt.com has an unboxing video of the PAL Sonic Generations Collector's Edition. Check it out! (FF to 3 minutes in for them to actually start talking about the CE).
And this confirms that the soundtrack that comes with the CE is a compilation of Sonic themes from the 20 year history of Sonic. The tracklist that I caught from the video is this:
As far as I can tell, it is exactly the same as the tracklist of the History of the First Stage preorder soundtracks that Japan is getting for both Sonic Generations White Time and Space and Sonic Generations: Blue Adventure. The tracklists for those CDs are in this post.
Meanwhile, North America gets nothing, lol!
Azure Dream
Member
Berordn said:
My favorite camera moment is this part on the final stage, Final Fortress I think? There's this huge drop, and the camera's fairly static, so you carefully line up your landing on some rails in the sky as best as you can... and at the last second, the camera shifts to be "dramatic", which screws up your controls, and if you were still adjusting to land on the rail, you probably fall between them and die. Happened to me so much, but it's all in how you play that part, I suppose.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Since there's other people playing horrible Sonic games, I think I'm going to try Sonic Blast.
EDIT: ...Is there seriously 5 Chaos Emeralds in this game? And why did I get a 1-Up in the special stage? What the fuck :l
EDIT2: Enemies respawn too... what? And what the hell is with the [?] monitor showing me the Robotnik icon when hit and then do absolutely NOTHING. And why is the spindash so slow?
EDIT3: Okay I think I understand the Chaos Emerald concept for this game. Act 1 only rewards you with 1-Ups. Act 2 rewards you with a Chaos Emerald. Kind of silly but whatever. Also, what's with the double jump? lol
Playing the Master System version if anyone is wondering.
EDIT: ...Is there seriously 5 Chaos Emeralds in this game? And why did I get a 1-Up in the special stage? What the fuck :l
EDIT2: Enemies respawn too... what? And what the hell is with the [?] monitor showing me the Robotnik icon when hit and then do absolutely NOTHING. And why is the spindash so slow?
EDIT3: Okay I think I understand the Chaos Emerald concept for this game. Act 1 only rewards you with 1-Ups. Act 2 rewards you with a Chaos Emerald. Kind of silly but whatever. Also, what's with the double jump? lol
Playing the Master System version if anyone is wondering.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
qq more said:
So, what do you think so far? Personally I thought it was utter shit.
Also, the final boss you get to after getting all the emeralds is apparently quite hard
Diablohead
Member
I love the style that the white box has, just sonic looking at sonic, no bullshit or random colours and logos.Dark Schala said:Sums up my experience with Sonic Heroes. My eyes do not get along with that game very much at all; it makes me nauseous. :/
Edit: French Site jeuxcapt.com has an unboxing video of the PAL Sonic Generations Collector's Edition. Check it out! (FF to 3 minutes in for them to actually start talking about the CE).
And this confirms that the soundtrack that comes with the CE is a compilation of Sonic themes from the 20 year history of Sonic. The tracklist that I caught from the video is this:
As far as I can tell, it is exactly the same as the tracklist of the History of the First Stage preorder soundtracks that Japan is getting for both Sonic Generations White Time and Space and Sonic Generations: Blue Adventure. The tracklists for those CDs are in this post.
Meanwhile, North America gets nothing, lol!
The holographic box art is awesome.
So far I just find it really mediocre. I had extemely low expectations though. The levels are extremely short and piss easy (only lose 10 rings per hit? wtf?). Even with the long lava sections, I can just jump on the lava river taking hits but never in danger of losing a life. And the special stages are laughably easy and boring. 50 rings and no hazards to make me lose them? Really SEGA?Combichristoffersen said:
Overall... I ALMOST prefer this over Sonic 4. But it might be too early to compare. Though, I'd imagine this game being a big pain in the ass for the Game Gear version because of the awful resolution and how the sprites are huge.
Diablohead
Member
"only" 12,000 gold rings out there, so does that mean only 12,000 collectors editions made?
PeakPointMatrix
Member
I went to Video Games Live! recently and it was glorious. The Sonic portion was amazing. And then they showed clips from
during the video segment and people cheered. Yeah.
Sonic 4,
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
It seems so.Diablohead said:
