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Sonic Generations |OT| What Sonic can learn from Sonic

IceDoesntHelp said:
So, I'm up to
City Escape
. Surprisingly, Modern Sonic has the worst controls there. Classic Sonic's level was more fun for me, though the remix is better on Modern Sonic (but they both aren't very good)
Also, not sure if anyone noticed this.
Heres the picture link, didn't want to post up here just incase I could get yelled at. Look at the signs.

Are you serious dude? It's one of the best levels in the game. What's wrong with his controls in that level?
 

tm24

Member
So is it the gaf consensus that the PC version is the best one and that the Ps3 version is the worst? If so, I'm returning my amazon copy and getting it off steam
 

cajunator

Banned
I picked this up the other day but have yet to actually play it. Been delving into Uncharted 3 a bit but definitely looking forward to this one.
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
tm24 said:
So is it the gaf consensus that the PC version is the best one and that the Ps3 version is the worst? If so, I'm returning my amazon copy and getting it off steam
Yes. If you can get the PC version do so.

I'm not going to deter people from getting the PS3 version, though. I'm almost finished it, and it's playable. It's just that the framerate drops are more noticeable in this version. However, go with PC or 360 versions if you can.
 

Greektown

Neo Member
cajunator said:
I picked this up the other day but have yet to actually play it. Been delving into Uncharted 3 a bit but definitely looking forward to this one.

you could be playing the game rather than talking about it on here lol. unless ur at school/work
 

Link1110

Member
Ok, found a coupon on the subway for buy 1 game $20 or less at toys t us and get another half off plus an extra 20%, so I went there to get Colors and Unleashed (ps3.) Colors was sold out (odd) and they said they haven't had Umleashed ps3 in a while (though they did have it for wii and 360.) are they both that hard to find already?
 

TimmiT

Member
Gez said:
Another 190megish patch hit steam. Where the heck are the patch notes for all this crap?
I really hope it fixes the issue where people with laptops with Optimus can't even boot the game.

Restarted Steam, not downloading for me. :/
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
qq more said:
Just defeated Shadow. I actually thought that was a decent boss fight. What exactly was wrong with it?
I also thought Shadow's rival battle was pretty decent. It was easy. Same with Silver's.

Regarding the Modern Era boss arrangement...
Egg Dragoon's BGM arrangement in this game... lacks a little punch. I'm not sure how I feel about the battle yet.
 
qq more said:
Just defeated Shadow. I actually thought that was a decent boss fight. What exactly was wrong with it?

It can be a bit tough to suss out what you need to do to actually damage Shadow. It eventually took me running a whole lap around the track before I figured out that catching up to Shadow probably wasn't going to happen and started looking for alternative ways to hurt him.
 
I am rather pissed off, while I own the steam version from last night, amazon has only just sent out my limited editions ON THE DAY OF RELEASE. fuck you amazon if you can't send it out at least 1 day before the release date :/
 

Blueblur1

Member
The Shadow boss fight is one of the most if not the most unsatisfying boss fight I've ever encountered in a video game. It's literally just boost and quickstep to win. Completely pointless.
 

McNum

Member
So I've been playing the PC version and apart from something odd in Chemical Plant Act 1, the game runs pretty well. I'm running a AMD 5770 graphics card, and after setting shadows to low and disabling AA, it runs pretty well.

The keyboard controls, though... I get the feeling that Sega just let an actual hedgehog walk across the keys when they assigned those. Plus you can't assign anything to Shift, Control or Alt either. Ah, well, I bought an Xbox 360 controller, I've got enough consle-ish PC games to warrant a proper console controller now. The game plays so much better with a controller.

By the way, is there a way to force Steam to check for updates? Since there's a patch out, apparently, it'd be nice to tell Steam to update now, rather than when i gets around to it. Had the same issue with TF2 where I needed it patched, but the update just didn't come. Until 5 minutes before a schedules game, of course.
 

Guy Legend

Member
This is likely going to be the first Sonic game I purchase since the Dreamcast.

Well...except for Sonic Gems collection on Gamecube.
 
Blueblur1 said:
The Shadow boss fight is one of the most if not the most unsatisfying boss fight I've ever encountered in a video game. It's literally just boost and quickstep to win. Completely pointless.
metal sonic was lack luster also, beat him first time, S rank...
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
Guy Legend said:
This is likely going to be the first Sonic game I purchase since the Dreamcast.

Well...except for Sonic Gems collection on Gamecube.
Get Sonic Colours for Wii while you're at it. :)
 

TimmiT

Member
So apparently Casino Night is in the PC version, only it's locked. People that pirated the game and cracked it can access it.
 
Oh wow! The PC version even has its own built in SBS stereo3D mode with adjustable depth.

It works fantastically and is probably the best 3D content I've seen on my Panny plasma with the depth set to ~30%. Any "into the screen" sections with modern Sonic look simply incredible.

As for performance, well I'm very impressed at 1080p with everything maxed my old GTX 260 managed a damn near perfect 50hz sync on Green Hill. It can't keep up in S3D mode (it usually hovers around the 40fps mark) but I'd wager standard GTX 560 could manage a perfect 60fps in that mode.

The game just looks and feels so much better at 50/60hz, its really night and day, so I'll have to try and resist the S3D mode for now until I upgrade my GPU.
 
Dark Schala said:
Someone already cracked it. SEGA Japan's SonicGen site said they were going to post passwords or something from the gist of what they said on the site, but someone's already cracked it. If you want the full list, I'll post it here.

You just input them and then your room will get a statue for every passcode you input.

It's silly that they plunked them all into one big, effectively plain text list in the game's data. If they had even just thrown some extremely simple encryption over it, one level of it, people wouldn't have worked it out as fast, or at all. (At least until someone used a memory editor on the PC version or something.)
 
Good to see the game in the Steam top sellers list. Good efforts like this need to sell well to convince more Japanese publishers that PC ports are a good investment, I don't want to have to suffer another Sonic game at 30fps ever again.
 

Mistle

Member
McNum said:
So I've been playing the PC version and apart from something odd in Chemical Plant Act 1, the game runs pretty well. I'm running a AMD 5770 graphics card, and after setting shadows to low and disabling AA, it runs pretty well.

The keyboard controls, though... I get the feeling that Sega just let an actual hedgehog walk across the keys when they assigned those. Plus you can't assign anything to Shift, Control or Alt either. Ah, well, I bought an Xbox 360 controller, I've got enough consle-ish PC games to warrant a proper console controller now. The game plays so much better with a controller.

By the way, is there a way to force Steam to check for updates? Since there's a patch out, apparently, it'd be nice to tell Steam to update now, rather than when i gets around to it. Had the same issue with TF2 where I needed it patched, but the update just didn't come. Until 5 minutes before a schedules game, of course.
I have a 5770 also, but all my settings are high. Runs smooth, apart from a slight stutter every now and then. Also, right click, properties, updates, "always keep this game up to date".

Honestly I think the Classic Controller Pro is the best control for this game.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
The Perfect Chaos Boss feels really iffy. Not sure if it is just on the PC version, but not only does Omochao's Hints seem to play at the wrong time (Once in the start, one in the middle, when at both times don't make since, but at the very end do), there are a ton of spots to easily just die on, and the final section is really iffy IMO.

Also, Chemical Plant just don't run well, has a decent amount of frame drops. Not game breaking, but noticeable.

Also, am I the only one who will at times have the game just hang for a second?

Sega1991 said:
It can be a bit tough to suss out what you need to do to actually damage Shadow. It eventually took me running a whole lap around the track before I figured out that catching up to Shadow probably wasn't going to happen and started looking for alternative ways to hurt him.
Did you have Omochao turned off? The game clearly says "Get the two power cores to power up and defeat shadow", then, when you get the power cores "Hit the meteors to damage shadow"

I found it odd he didn't talk at all though.


Also, I am going to need some proof about this Casino Nights thing.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
TimmiT said:
So apparently Casino Night is in the PC version, only it's locked. People that pirated the game and cracked it can access it.

Wait what?....So people who pirate the game get an extra stage?


TimmiT said:
Goddamnit, laptops/desktops using optimus technology (meaning it switches between a powerful GPU and a shitty GPU depending on what you are doing) won't be able to start the game at all because it keeps detecting the shitty GPU. There's no workaround at the moment, so I'm fucked.

My friend found a workaround for this when it used to happen with Dead Island.
He had/has an Alienware laptop with Optimus garbage.

Ill ask him how he did it later, but im sure you could figure out the workaround if you tinker with the settings enough, If i had an optimus laptop on hand i would try solve the issue.

On Topic:
Im about to go buy this game for PC.

Anyone got comparisons between this and Sonic Colors Dolphin?
Sonic Colors looks spectacular with full anti-aliasing, i really hope this looks better.
 

McNum

Member
Mistle said:
I have a 5770 also, but all my settings are high. Runs smooth, apart from a slight stutter every now and then. Also, right click, properties, updates, "always keep this game up to date".

Honestly I think the Classic Controller Pro is the best control for this game.
I've been messing around with getting all kinds of console controllers to work with my PC. I should get a triple trouble achievement, I made the Wii Remote, Dualshock 3 and now a 360 Controller work on my PC. Free tip: Do NOT install the MotionInJoy drivers for the PS3 controllers before installing the Xbox 360 controller. It'll recognize the 360 controller as a Duashock 3, which messes things up. It outright crashes Sonic Generations at the first rumble call.

I might turn up shadows again when the patch arrives, but the Chemical Plant slowdown made me turn things down a bit. There's something wrong in that level, especially Act 1. I think there's something bad in the background.
 
Drkirby said:
The Perfect Chaos Boss feels really iffy. Not sure if it is just on the PC version, but not only does Omochao's Hints seem to play at the wrong time (Once in the start, one in the middle, when at both times don't make since, but at the very end do), there are a ton of spots to easily just die on, and the final section is really iffy IMO.

Also, Chemical Plant just don't run well, has a decent amount of frame drops. Not game breaking, but noticeable.

Also, am I the only one who will at times have the game just hang for a second?
I found the final section of perfect chaos iffy on the PS3 version as well if that's any consolation. Can't say I know anything about Omochao statements though since I turned him off before even starting the game
 
Kulock said:
It's silly that they plunked them all into one big, effectively plain text list in the game's data. If they had even just thrown some extremely simple encryption over it, one level of it, people wouldn't have worked it out as fast, or at all. (At least until someone used a memory editor on the PC version or something.)
I think they've kinda just given up. One of these days I'm expecting someone to crack a game, only to find an accompanying txt file among the game data reading "Sup, hackers. -Sega"
 

Mistle

Member
McNum said:
I've been messing around with getting all kinds of console controllers to work with my PC. I should get a triple trouble achievement, I made the Wii Remote, Dualshock 3 and now a 360 Controller work on my PC. Free tip: Do NOT install the MotionInJoy drivers for the PS3 controllers before installing the Xbox 360 controller. It'll recognize the 360 controller as a Duashock 3, which messes things up. It outright crashes Sonic Generations at the first rumble call.

I might turn up shadows again when the patch arrives, but the Chemical Plant slowdown made me turn things down a bit. There's something wrong in that level, especially Act 1. I think there's something bad in the background.
Xbox 360 no doubt is still great. I think the D-pad on the Classic Control beats it out, however.

And yeah, Chemical Plant was the worst stage for slow down so far. It seems everybody is experiencing it. Is there a patch on the way to fix it or are you just being hopeful?
 

Peff

Member
Black_Stride said:
Wait what?....So people who pirate the game get an extra stage?

It's limited edition content, but there isn't one for PC, so they'll eventually release it as DLC, I suppose. It's not an actual stage though, it's more like a big mini-game.
 

Cmagus

Member
There will be more levels they already said DLC is coming Im hoping for more stages like Starlight Zone or Lost Labyrinth or Twinkle Park would be cool as well
 
Drkirby said:
Did you have Omochao turned off? The game clearly says "Get the two power cores to power up and defeat shadow", then, when you get the power cores "Hit the meteors to damage shadow"
Even then, it's clear the game is highlighting something on your screen as important, and Shadow's not really paying that much attention to you, so you get the gist of it pretty quickly. Even without Omochao on, the game shows the "Boost into the meteors" instruction image on the screen when Sonic powers up.

Drkirby said:
I found it odd he didn't talk at all though.
Considering how very bad his new voice is, I'm happy for that. I don't mind most of the new cast, even Amy to a degree, but he's definitely got to be changed again.
 

Keasar

Member
So, I have been eyeing the PC version of this game, HOW good is the game? Is it truly worth the 30 Euro? Seems to be getting okay reviews so far.

This might be a rhetorical question to ask in a Sonic OT but I am taking my chances.
 
Mistle said:
I have a 5770 also, but all my settings are high. Runs smooth, apart from a slight stutter every now and then. Also, right click, properties, updates, "always keep this game up to date".

Honestly I think the Classic Controller Pro is the best control for this game.

Slightly OT, but how do you use the classic controller on your PC? I tried with GlovePIE + PPJoy but I can't find a way to install PPJoy on Win7 x64. I really don't see other options beside the CC to USB thing.
 
Kulock said:
Considering how very bad his new voice is, I'm happy for that. I don't mind most of the new cast, even Amy to a degree, but he's definitely got to be changed again.
I think Classic Tails, and his voice, is adorable :D
 

McNum

Member
Mistle said:
Xbox 360 no doubt is still great. I think the D-pad on the Classic Control beats it out, however.

And yeah, Chemical Plant was the worst stage for slow down so far. It seems everybody is experiencing it. Is there a patch on the way to fix it or are you just being hopeful?
I'm using the left stick, actually. If a game needs d-pad controls, I got a Street Fighter IV FightPad, too. Tried using that, but I can't rebind the controller controls, which is a little annoying, too. The game looks and runs good, but Sega kind of dropped the ball on the keyboard/controller setup. It does work nice with the 360 controller, but it really should have used keyboard icons matching the bound key instead of the 360 icons in-game. Go ask The Last Remnant how it's done.
 
I am so back and forth with this game. I want to love it completely but certain things keep it held back. For one its so short, even the challenges that fill the game are simple. The game is just way too easy, S ranks are given like candy and the removal of the scoring system kills the game for me. I spent a bunch of time mastering Unleashed's levels, finding the best paths to get the highest scores, now its just a big time attack, and a very easy one at that. The challenges are even more simple without online rankings or anything.

Some levels are better than others, its all a bit uneven. With modern sonic he feels great in some levels and a bit messy in others cause they seem to have added more open spaces which kills the flow of the Unleashed gameplay. Its like the merged elements of Unleashed, Colors and even SA but didn't refine it. Spagonia was the big eye opener as I enjoyed Unleashed version more.

Classic Sonic is a blast. I wish it had more levels though. It seems like the cut back on many areas while making great strides in giving us what we wanted. Here is the sonic game you always wanted but we are giving you only a few levels, removing features, etc. Its still a lot of fun.

I enjoy getting high ranks with classic more than modern which is so weird cause modern is all about high ranks and classic was fun just to play. I am ranked 6th in Speed Highway with classic, I will try more levels later.
 
Keasar said:
So, I have been eyeing the PC version of this game, HOW good is the game? Is it truly worth the 30 Euro? Seems to be getting okay reviews so far.

This might be a rhetorical question to ask in a Sonic OT but I am taking my chances.
Kurtofan said:
Is this game worth it if you're not a big Sonic fan?I only played the Adventures one back in the day and Heroes.
I'm 3/4 though and I'm about to pass the 4 hour mark.
Basically, if you want to S rank every single thing, get every red ring and try to top the leaderboards, then yes.
 
Kurtofan said:
Is this game worth it if you're not a big Sonic fan?I only played the Adventures one back in the day and Heroes.
I'd recommend it to anyone who's a fan of platforming games if that helps.
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
Ah forget it, I misread the post.

The pre-final boss cutscene was kinda nice in that...
so it IS a sequel to Colours. How could he leave his robots in space like that?
I liked some of the dialogue:
Young Robotnik: Who are they? (referring to Rouge and Shadow)
Present Robotnik: They are insignificant!

Classic Tails: Dr. Robotnik!
Young Robotnik: Nobody calls me THAT anymore!

As for the boss, well, I have it paused. I, er...
I have the option to turn Omochao off, but I don't have the option to turn off everyone else's dialogue? I get it--it's to be united in a final fight, blah blah blah. But it's kind of irritating when they're repeating dialogue and I'm doing stuff right.
 

Kurtofan

Member
Nocturnowl said:
I'd recommend it to anyone who's a fan of platforming games if that helps.
It does, thanks a bunch!
There's already Mario and Rayman coming out soon though, so I'll wait a bit before buying it!
 
DarthWufei said:
Loving the game so far, but that Perfect Chaos fight needs to just be removed.

You can actually take different routes through the fight, some of them are much more enjoyable than others.

The weird thing is that if you play it on Hard, they cut out the segment I like the least. And it's not really visibly harder otherwise.
 
I feel like this game really needed another six months in the oven.

At times it's polished and fun, at other times it's glitchy and boring. There's a lot of filler content and some of it is unique and interesting and other parts are copy-pasted and also very boring.

The final boss, and the preceding cutscene, are like everything bad about modern Sonic wrapped in to one.

I dunno. They probably felt rushed to get this in before Christmas and next Christmas was too late, but it definitely needed a bit more time. It's not Sonic 2006 rushed, but it's definitely not Mario polished, either.
 

Berordn

Member
Perfect Chaos is just too easy, the fight itself had a lot of neat ideas involved.

It's still irredeemable because it stops playing Open Your Heart for the phase 2 theme.
 
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