Hot Coldman
Banned
yo this final boss
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Nocturnowl
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You have my support, when gyro has led me to be facing away from the television because turning was such fiddly business then you know something has gone wrong and maybe just maybe would've been fine using a stick.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I'm still getting the 3DS version.
Because... uh... well, I paid it off already.No it's not because I'm a hard M shut up Noi
Because... uh... well, I paid it off already.
Shadow Hog
Member
I dunno, gyro controls worked pretty well for aiming in 3DS games... although mostly in the sense that it'd be the fine-tuning while the analog stick would be the coarse-tuning.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
You know why Sonic 3 and Knuckles were so good? Because they built on Sonic 2, which built on Sonic 1's foundations.
I feel like every other Sonic game just starts over and disregard most of the past's mistakes and lessons. Some of them work better than others, but who cares because the next one is gonna play nothing like it. Every new installment fixing and breaking a hundred new things, and the franchise seems like its gonna be permanently stuck in this mixed bag of various mechanics and ideas. Scrambling for an identity, before it tosses it away for a new one tomorrow.
I feel like every other Sonic game just starts over and disregard most of the past's mistakes and lessons. Some of them work better than others, but who cares because the next one is gonna play nothing like it. Every new installment fixing and breaking a hundred new things, and the franchise seems like its gonna be permanently stuck in this mixed bag of various mechanics and ideas. Scrambling for an identity, before it tosses it away for a new one tomorrow.
Nocturnowl
Member
Luiginary Ball in Dream Team Bros is one of the few times i've actually found it work quite well, unfortunately the game still shit the bed on gyro controls later on thus losing any good will gained.
Seven Force
Banned
Christ, Colors was a better shoutout to the Galaxy games than Lost World, and most of the similarities between Colors and Galaxy weren't even intentional.
I'm actually really morbidly curious about the 3DS version, especially since I did enjoy the demo, though it seems that things get pretty stupid afterwards. I'd rather spend $40 or so out of curiosity than the price of a Wii U + the console version of the game.
The JP version comes out next week, right? I might buy it from the JP eShop.
Edit: On second thought, fuck it. Not going to bother. >__>
The JP version comes out next week, right? I might buy it from the JP eShop.
Edit: On second thought, fuck it. Not going to bother. >__>
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I'll admit that I'm curious about the 3DS version, too. I just can't believe the controls and mechanics are that... bad.
oh lord this final boss what how is
oh lord this final boss what how is
That's only provided that they implement the gyro controls well, though. Luigi's Mansion 2, Ocarina of Time, etc. had decent implementation of gyro controls. This... doesn't seem to. It's a shame, really. I thought Pietepiet was joking about having to need a swivel chair for the special stages.
They seemed to have the right idea for the previous trio of games, though. Colours and Generations built on Unleashed's foundations. I assumed they'd keep doing it because it's a formula that people genuinely liked. It was weird that they decided to change it up when it wasn't broken. I mean, there's some good ideas in Lost World, but it's just strange that they tossed most stuff aside in the previous three games for something completely new. Hm.
I think it's that line in Sterling's review about "could be the beginning of something great" that rubs me the wrong way the most. That sentiment is fine and all, but how many times have we seen "the beginning of something great" with Sonic? Shouldn't we already be there?
I'm a bit tired of shelling out money for the beginning of something great instead of just something that should already be great.
I'm a bit tired of shelling out money for the beginning of something great instead of just something that should already be great.
Hot Coldman
Banned
That's for a separate article, really. I think it's one thing for a review to say "these are solid building blocks perhaps not best utilised in this game", but another to say "and this keeps happening ergo don't buy this game". Kinda turns into a review of the franchise as opposed to the game, which is by the by (and always incredibly annoying).
But yeah, the sentiment's certainly valid. IDK. Maybe they need more than 2 years to make Sonic games. Refinement is necessary, clearly.
Oh yeah, I don't necessarily mean including that in his review. Just an observation from someone on the consumer side as something that's happened with the Sonic franchise on more than one occasion.
I don't particularly care for a lot of the rationalization of the bad reviews though. People are complaining about some people being "jaded older fans that wanted more boost to win gameplay" as if that's a bad thing. It's yet another perspective to consider for a review, which is something that's kind of been lost to the need to have every review have a high score for that metacritic rating.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Nocturnowl
Member
We were too busy being kinda disappointed by the game itself I guess.
Hot Coldman
Banned
This is unfortunately done even by non-reviewers. The review thread is evidence enough of that.
I'd quote specific dumb posts but Schala would get mad at me. They aren't hard to find though.
Poking through the track credits, only the first three of those are significantly involved, but still!
This'll tide me over nicely until more Lost World rips slip out.
Shun Nakamura does not have a star-studded record.
Does this apply for people who liked Generations 3DS? Because I enjoyed that game despite the faults it had.
Well to be fair, before Lost World this is what they were doing.
They started with a new style of gameplay in Sonic Unleashed which they built upon in Colours and Generations.
I've said this before, but Colors is really, really the Sonic CD to Unleashed's Sonic 1. It starts with a lot of the same ideas, but they play almost nothing alike, and Generations ignored its design choices entirely as a concurrently developed game.
Lost World is Chaotix with a budget.
When I made the comparison with my friend I said Lost World was what'd happen if they made a sequel to CD instead of 2.
Professor Beef
Banned
ViewtifulJC
Banned
They got that contract with Nintendo I think, so they'll be one more Sonic game that builds on Lost World.
And the PS4/Xbone game will be completely different, mixed reception, "a promising start of something great!", etc
And the PS4/Xbone game will be completely different, mixed reception, "a promising start of something great!", etc
RobbieNick
Junior Member
A comic spoiler from Sonic #254. A Satam character gets a major change.
Muttski (formerly Sonic's pet dog) is now a walking, talking Mobian.
Michael Jackson
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The few, the proud, the 20k who bought Wonderful 101 
I just don't feel pain anymore
The few, the proud, the 20k who bought Wonderful 101
I just don't feel pain anymore
Shadow Hog
Member
I haven't played the demo to even know if I'd have fun with the game or not. :\
Box of Bunnies
Banned
The few, the proud, the 20k who bought Wonderful 101
I just don't feel pain anymore
Hope is comin' to a crawl and sadness fills the air. One hundred rangers hide it all behind an iron stare. No one asks what they sacrifice, no, no one minds. But that won't hold them back from saving all of humankind.
Obviously I only have what I saw to go on, but I saw at least half an hour and 3 levels plus a boss fight... they were all really bad. It used gyro controls that frankly didn't work. Whether the main stages are better I can't say but they didn't look all that fun either tbh. Definitely a big difference in quality between Generations 3DS and this.
Shadow Hog
Member
A jumps/homing attacks
B stomps/crouches/slides
X boosts/spin dashes
Y does jack shit unless you have a Wisp, a special power-up, or the rings are set to let you light dash
LB and RB quick step
LT and RT drift
That's everything
B stomps/crouches/slides
X boosts/spin dashes
Y does jack shit unless you have a Wisp, a special power-up, or the rings are set to let you light dash
LB and RB quick step
LT and RT drift
That's everything
If you're gonna use a regular Dinput controller I recommend using x360ce (emulates an Xbox 360 controller) anyway because this game has bad support for dinput controllers, like that stupid quickstep bug. If using keyboard... god help you.
Also, Sonic has learned to reach for the stars.
Thanks! Time to replay Generations!
I'm using a bluetooth device to use the Wii U GamePad Pro. Unfortunately the program that runs the GamePad Pro reads the controller as a keyboard instead of gamepad, so I have to assign keys to the analog... which means, it won't be all that accurate. But it should be alright as I've done this before. I don't have a proper adapter for the GamePad Pro yet.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
That sounds so counterproductive. Shame the developers seem so backwards.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Here's the stream archive of Sonic Lost World 3DS: http://www.twitch.tv/hellfirecomms/b/471248914?t=18m53s
And for people who keep up to date on LPs, I know someone's planning on doing it. ChipCheezum was saying that he'd like to do an LP for it (and he's recording gameplay ahead of time), particularly because he thought it was better than Bayonetta.
I bought it because I liked the demo. I haven't played it yet, though. I might play a bunch of it next month because I just realized that there really isn't much coming out for me in the next few months.The few, the proud, the 20k who bought Wonderful 101
I just don't feel pain anymore
And for people who keep up to date on LPs, I know someone's planning on doing it. ChipCheezum was saying that he'd like to do an LP for it (and he's recording gameplay ahead of time), particularly because he thought it was better than Bayonetta.
Wow, that's... strange. Haha. Well, either way, I think a lot of the changes done so far are probably for the best. A little bummed out that the Geoffrey storyline got chewed out since I think they had something interesting going on with that, but there's nothing you can do about that now.
Oh my.
Man, you hit the nail on the head on that. It's so baffling Sonic 4 doesn't try to improve on what Sonic 3 had but instead takes Sonic Rush's engine (which is not designed for the classic games) and try to mimic Sonic 1 & 2 nostalgia. Holy shit was Sonic 4 so wrong.
The few, the proud, the 20k who bought Wonderful 101
I just don't feel pain anymore
the GAF demo thread was one of the most painful GAF threads I've ever read. the amount of "had this game pre-ordered, played the demo, just cancelled my pre-order" posts just made me wanna burn this mutha fucka down
GAF complains about hand holding in modern games, milking of IPs, overblown tutorials...
Wonderful 101 is the fucking antithesis of all those things. It's the dream game for all complainers on this board, the same people who claim Dark Souls is god's gift to gaming. and what does it sell?
This kind of stuff doesn't bother me anymore, same with "lol Sonic Cycle" drive by post. I just don't feel the need to tolerate ignorance anymore. If I like it, I like, and sometimes.. especially nowadays; that's good enough for me.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I admittedly got turned off as well due the learning curve, but my trust in Platinum won out and the game eventually 'clicked' with me by the time I reached the 4th mission.
While at first I figured it'd have gone down better if it controlled closer to Bayonetta, by the time you're micro-managing all of your units for different level attacks and so on, the design decisions make complete sense. One of the few times the first impression for a game was completely different to my final one.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
GAF complains about hand holding in modern games, milking of IPs, overblown tutorials...
Wonderful 101 is the fucking antithesis of all those things. It's the dream game for all complainers on this board, the same people who claim Dark Souls is god's gift to gaming. and what does it sell?
On some level I think launching it so close to Pikmin 3 was a mistake. The games are nothing alike, but at a glance they really look very similar.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I thought the boss battles shown in the GB Quick Look of SLW looked neat. *shrug*
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
SA2 steam is so much better than SA1 steam.
That's, uh... huh.
SonicGAF's Song of the Day - #25
Song: The ARK
Game: Shadow the Hedgehog
Composers: Jun Senoue and Tomoya Ohtani
And now for something completely different. Shadow's a gritty game with gritty music, neither of which worked out well on a grand scale, but which have interesting points dotted throughout. This track's mostly one of Senoue's usual riff mashups (neither unusually bad nor exceptional), but you can tell Ohtani was involved, especially if you compare it to his Rush Adventure work from a couple years later. It's too bad there wasn't more of this, because even something as simple as heavily abusing a single vocal sample helps distract from the fact that the underlying music just isn't that good.
Seven Force
Banned
I recall someone (might have been a comment on a YT video or something) saying that most of the level themes from Shadow save for Westopolis are pretty much glorified jingles. Repetitive, dull melodies with some fluff thrown on top to hide just how shallow the compositions are.
That being said, I don't hate it, but it's little more than background noise to me.
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