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Sonic the Hedgehog Community Thread: Green Hills and Laughing Iizukas
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Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Colours didn't make me nauseous like Heroes did.
Colours also didn't have a version of Metal Sonic made to look like the Sonic version of Sephiroth.
Therefore Colours wins.
Colours also didn't have a version of Metal Sonic made to look like the Sonic version of Sephiroth.
Therefore Colours wins.
Seven Force
Banned
Hot Coldman
Banned
More importantly, Colours didn't have level design that committing the dual sins of being boring and annoying, whilst having controls and camera that served only to hinder, making for an utterly tedious experience.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Yup. If the framerate is something I can't handle or if the camera moves really wonky or if the game is in first person (excluding really old first-person dungeon crawlers), I'll get really nauseous.
That's why I don't play shooters or first-person RPGs much.
The same thing happened with the SMG games too. I had to force myself to get through those because my brain really didn't like it, haha.
That's... a very odd reason. What made you enjoy Heroes more out of curiosity?
I'd say it does in my opinion. The 2D segments get really repetitive at times, the time consumption based on doing these repetitive things like in the Starlight Carnival, Aquarium Park, and Asteroid Coaster is that.
The controls are mainly good, but there are things like the double jump that tend to slow down progress just to slow down progress. I just dislike double jumping in Sonic if it isn't a power up that super propels you in the air, least that way it feels significant. The power ups seem a little unnecessary at times, and I wondered if some of them really add to the experience, or are they just there to be an obstacle in your way.
Well this being that I didn't really enjoy the 2D segments of Colors which is what stopped me from playing it. Oddly enough, I anticipated Colors strongly, and was eagerly awaiting it's release. (unlike Heroes)
I'd give Colors a 6.0 or a 6.5, while I'd give Heroes an 8.0.
Hot Coldman
Banned
It was more of a dig at Heroes than anything.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I don't "get" the double jump in Sonic Colors. Why did we need that? Why not just a higher jump instead of this shitty, slightly higher second one? Why is it so awkward and slow? WHY!?
The 3d sections in Colors are the worst, though. For all of Unleashed many(many!) faults, at least the 3d boosting seemed exhilarating and exciting. In Colors, it's so dull, perfunctory almost. Those parts where you have to move left or right real quick aren't nearly as intuitive as the LB/RB buttons from Unleashed, and the big jump-in-the-air-QTE is literally just mashing the A button over and over again. And don't get me started on all those on-rails Stardust sections where the game just plays itself for 20 seconds.
As good and fun as most of the 2d sections are, the 3d took a big step backwards.
The 3d sections in Colors are the worst, though. For all of Unleashed many(many!) faults, at least the 3d boosting seemed exhilarating and exciting. In Colors, it's so dull, perfunctory almost. Those parts where you have to move left or right real quick aren't nearly as intuitive as the LB/RB buttons from Unleashed, and the big jump-in-the-air-QTE is literally just mashing the A button over and over again. And don't get me started on all those on-rails Stardust sections where the game just plays itself for 20 seconds.
As good and fun as most of the 2d sections are, the 3d took a big step backwards.
Nocturnowl
Member
Taking my obligatory stance of sure the double jump is kind of pointless but given the option it's better than failed air dash motion, you've never heard me say this before i'm sure.
I was playing generations yesterday and I would've killed for that double jump at some points.
Clearly the solution is
1. Improve sonic's jump
2. No secondary jump button effect
WINNER!
Coming to think of it that's pretty much Unleashed right? ahead of the curve.
I was playing generations yesterday and I would've killed for that double jump at some points.
Clearly the solution is
1. Improve sonic's jump
2. No secondary jump button effect
WINNER!
Coming to think of it that's pretty much Unleashed right? ahead of the curve.
The question is, why is Sonic able to double jump? He's never needed it. That's what the bubble shield is for.
Edit: Beaten.
Nocturnowl
Member
You mean the lightning shield, aka: best shield.
Azure Dream
Member
I was fine with the double jump, although I admit the feel of it could've been tweaked just a little better.
I really liked being able to jump-swim in the water in Colors. Felt a little like cheating, but so good.
I really liked being able to jump-swim in the water in Colors. Felt a little like cheating, but so good.
Gah, right. Knew I was getting it wrong. And yes, it is the best shield ;D
How about as tribute to Sonic 3 they make it good?
With Dimps? Nahhhhhh, impossible!
(They should stop having Dimps make Sonic games. Seriously)
Nocturnowl
Member
I think it will bring back good gameplay.....pfffftt AHAHAHA! I couldn't type that with a straight face!
I'm really just hoping they stop this charade, take a look at the Classic Sonic gameplay in both versions of Generations and use one of them as a base to set up a Sonic classic sub series that can work as the Sega equivalent of New Super Mario Bros except it actually has different worlds in each game.
Is there seriously no one else they can get? Dimps has been making Sonic games for over ten years and fans are still unsatisfied.
Seven Force
Banned
The only other alternative to Dimps I recall them going with is Backbone for the Rivals games.... so yeah.
Shadow Hog
Member
Mario 64 > Banjo I can see, though. They're both excellent titles, focused on the same sorts of activities, for the most part. Which one is better really is personal preference.
The opinions comparing toward Colors, on the other hand...
so it's like an opposite thing, huh? no wonder episodes 1&2 sucked...
so tsundere
syduck:Outside of the weird double jump, the physics seemed fine to me. But IDK, it's been a while. And the level design was mostly reasonable. Outside of a few shitty acts, it's way more well designed than Sonic fucking 4.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I want a version of Sonic CD on my Vita or 3DS now. Those colours.
I want a version of Sonic anything on Vita, really. 3DS got Generations 3DS. It's just too bad that Vita doesn't have the install base to support a new Sonic game or something like that (outside of All-Stars Racing Transformed). This is what I get for watching playthroughs, LPs, and speedruns on the Vita, really. I want stuff I can't have.
Mm... I think I might go put a preorder in for the Vita version and PS3 version either when they go up on Amazon or next week in-store. Kinda interested in what the Vita version has to offer.
I want a version of Sonic anything on Vita, really. 3DS got Generations 3DS. It's just too bad that Vita doesn't have the install base to support a new Sonic game or something like that (outside of All-Stars Racing Transformed). This is what I get for watching playthroughs, LPs, and speedruns on the Vita, really. I want stuff I can't have.
Mm... I think I might go put a preorder in for the Vita version and PS3 version either when they go up on Amazon or next week in-store. Kinda interested in what the Vita version has to offer.
This. I always thought Sonic was the most elemental character of the three primary characters. Of course, homing attack is like the Fire Shield now, but the other two shields could be of some use. It's like some of us said earlier in the thread--taking advantage of wisp-like powers would be really creative and would work well.
I thought the point of them was to be unobtrusive, and that you could find a way, more often than not, to beat a level without them. Actually, wasn't that a stated goal for the wisps? Is that a thing or am I imagining that quote??
EDIT: Okay yeah, this Nintendo Power preview likens them to Mario suits and says they're optional, and I think in another NP preview someone they interviewed said something similar.
The double jump didn't kill any babies as far as I know, but yeah, the level design just needed to change ever so slightly and they could've got rid of it. Sonic's jump could have been improved a bit, but I almost feel like they wouldve made it too powerful, and maybe that's why they tweaked it and added the double jump? Idk. Still definitely better than air dashing, but I think I'd prefer your solution; if there's no homing attack target, then just do nothing.
I want a version of Sonic anything on Vita, really. 3DS got Generations 3DS. It's just too bad that Vita doesn't have the install base to support a new Sonic game or something like that (outside of All-Stars Racing Transformed). This is what I get for watching playthroughs, LPs, and speedruns on the Vita, really. I want stuff I can't have.
You'll get a new, sub-par Rivals, and you'll like it!
I think it would be something mostly fans of the series/genre would like. Limited Appeal.
10- Must play for anyone interested in video games. Flawless.
9- Fantastic game with very few small flaws.
8- Great game. Hard to differentiate between a 9 and 8 imo.
7- Game has some flaws. A fan of the series could look past them, but may be more noticeable for players new to the franchise. Nonetheless, worth a shot. Try to pick up on sale/used.
6- A good game that shows potential, but is held back by many small flaws or a couple of major flaws.
1-5- Varying degrees of "not worth playing".
Seven Force
Banned
Yeah, this pretty much.
There's really only a small number of games I'd ever rate a 10, though.
Fire Emblem 7 is the one that's just called Fire Emblem in the US right?
I bought that earlier in the year for $14 in perfect condition - an impulse buy because the game usually goes for around $30 iirc. Still haven't played too much of it, and at this rate I'll probably play and beat Awakening before I play that one :/
I bought that earlier in the year for $14 in perfect condition - an impulse buy because the game usually goes for around $30 iirc. Still haven't played too much of it, and at this rate I'll probably play and beat Awakening before I play that one :/
Professor Beef
Banned
I'm tempted to troll Billie with more anti-Fire Emblem stuff but I'm too tired. You win this round.
Muahahahaha
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
But I don't want one of those.
That's kind of my position. I hate scoring things, though, so I generally nix a score whenever I write up impressions for something.
1 - lol.
2 - Really bad, but there might be something neat in there.
3 - Unremarkable.
4 - I like one thing in there, I think. Otherwise, not very good.
5 - passable; I have no attachment to it
6 - average; I feel indifferent to it overall despite liking a few mechanics.
7 - good; found a fraction of it quite enjoyable
8 - great; found most of it enjoyable, but has some stuff holding it back
9 - Awesome, but has some nitpicks that could and should be fixed in the next iteration.
10 - Excellent and perfect across the board.
I sorta wish someone would resurrect the NeoGAF User Review thread. Amir0x used to update it, but he wasn't able to, the thread fell into obscurity this year. It's too bad. I really liked that thread cuz I trust some GAF members' impressions based on how their tastes relate to mine.
Hey, I'm not a crazy people. I would also accept "Rekka no Ken".
This is Fire Emblem. Still super-irritated that they didn't bring the Monshou no Nazo remake because apparently that one was a pretty good remake.
Hey, I'm not a crazy people. I would also accept "Rekka no Ken".
If I use the Japanese title people tend to assume we never got it.
EDIT: Pretty sure there's a translation patch for Monshou no Nazo
Ratings, eh? Despite how indecisive I can be I think a 5 point scale serves the purpose well enough. Just take the specifics of the points and apply em to your explanation.
1 - Bad or terrible. Not worth your time, unless you hate yourself or for science/a good drunken time.
2 - Not terrible, but not good. Might have something good in it/good ideas, but more likely than not, not worth the time. If you're really interested, get a secondhand experience before going in yourself.
3 - Good, but not great. If you're interested/a fan, it's probably worth a look. Good ideas, but maybe not the best execution. May have one major flaw.
4 - Great game, good ideas, but minor flaws hold it back a bit. Give it a shot.
5 - I said Gotdayum!
1 - Bad or terrible. Not worth your time, unless you hate yourself or for science/a good drunken time.
2 - Not terrible, but not good. Might have something good in it/good ideas, but more likely than not, not worth the time. If you're really interested, get a secondhand experience before going in yourself.
3 - Good, but not great. If you're interested/a fan, it's probably worth a look. Good ideas, but maybe not the best execution. May have one major flaw.
4 - Great game, good ideas, but minor flaws hold it back a bit. Give it a shot.
5 - I said Gotdayum!
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