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[ivysaur12]

Do you plot twists with zero foreshadowing and development? The finale of Season 3 has all of that. You won't see it coming because it won't make sense. Stick with it!

P.s. My favorite episode of the series is the one where Gema pulls a gun on someone and saves the gang from a bad situation.

Hey, the third season has been shit, but the second was amazing. And the first was extremely well done.

 

[Carnby]

Hey, the third season has been shit, but the second was amazing. And the first was extremely well done.

I never said anything bad about season 1 and 2. Those seasons were enjoyable.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

He does deserve one, the writing in S1/S2 is far superior to overrated pieces of shit like Mad Men, but i digress because you either love sutter or hate him, the feeling is most kids here dislike him which is fine, doesn't change the fact that he puts on compelling television that is highly entertaining.

I still find the level of hate he gets here just amazingly ironic and hilarious because most of the hate stims from sutters bitching on twitter yet you people come to video game forums and bitch about him and video games.. it's just amazingly stupid.

Just, haha...WHAT

 

[ivysaur12]

"I'm a puerto rican from queens, I speak better Yiddish"

Juice fucking rules.

EDIT: Wait... Tig and Kozick were fighting over a dog? What, were they together and it was their dog?

 

[Sotha Sil]

EDIT: Wait... Tig and Kozick were fighting over a dog? What, were they together and it was their dog?

Hilarious, isn't it? *shudders at the thought of S3*

 

[Salsa]

talk about a fucking opener, wow

LOVED it

 

[Clevinger]

He does deserve one, the writing in S1/S2 is far superior to overrated pieces of shit like Mad Men

Hahahahahahaahahahaahahahhhhahahahaha

Are you Kurt Sutter? I was talking about the abysmal season 3, by the way, but even at its best, Sons of Anarchy is the television equivalent of delicious junk food.

but i digress because you either love sutter or hate him, the feeling is most kids here dislike him which is fine

"Kids," huh? Did you get that one from Sutter? You should also call us "conformists" and "sheep" and tell us how we don't get the show.

I still find the level of hate he gets here just amazingly ironic and hilarious because most of the hate stims from sutters bitching on twitter yet you people come to video game forums and bitch about him and video games.. it's just amazingly stupid.

Ah yes, me posting a sentence or two once in a while making fun of a whiny moron is totally comparable to a grown man regularly writing fucking novelas of whine in his diary blog.

 

[brianjones]

Hey, the third season has been shit, but the second was amazing. And the first was extremely well done.

amazing is a strong word

at its best its a fun guilty pleasure show.. at worst its downright bad

 

[ivysaur12]

amazing is a strong word

at its best its a fun guilty pleasure show.. at worst its downright bad

It's much, much better than a guilty pleasure. Season two is easily one of the best seasons of any drama that's currently on TV.

A fun, guilty pleasure is True Blood. Sons season two should have been nominated for the Emmy.

Hilarious, isn't it? *shudders at the thought of S3*

The fact that Tig cared so much about a dog that he would put Kozick out of the club? Yeah, shitty. The fact that Tig and Kozick had a relationship that went south? Given Tig's sexual past, that's fair, but it's never really hinted out.

 

[Cornballer]

Yes, The Shield, a show that has competant writing (to say the least), something that SOA lacks.

Sutter did a lot of excellent writing for The Shield. Though aside from S2 and perhaps the back end of S1, I agree that SoA isn't quite up to snuff with The Shield. I get the feeling that Sutter's capable of a lot of great/crazy/fun writing, but when there's no one (i.e. Shawn Ryan) to keep him in line, he can get himself into trouble (see: S3). At times SoA is a little too much testosterone infused madness and not enough well structured drama. Though when it works, it's great. Here's hoping we get the good stuff in S4.

It's much, much better than a guilty pleasure. Season two is easily one of the best seasons of any drama that's currently on TV.

Agreed. I'll hold up S2 against just about anything that's on these days. There are a couple recent shows/seasons that were better, but not many.

 

[ivysaur12]

I'm 46 minutes into the last episode of season 3.

Holy shit, Agent Stahl. You fucking bitch. You fucking bitch. What a...

Also, what is this shit about Sons not actually being a good television show? Yeah, it's hyper masculinized, but it's extremely well done. It's second season was incredible.

The fact that I care about these characters as much as I do makes SOA a much higher level than just "popcorn" television. Now, is it better than Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Fringe, or Boardwalk Empire? No. But it's a damn good show.

EDIT: FUCK YEAH OPIE! FUCK YEAH OPIE! FUCK YEAH OPIE!

 

[dead souls]

I think people really need to go back and do a rewatch of The Shield. It's better than SOA, but not by all that much. It has its fair share of pointless episodes.

As for the Mad Men comparisons, objectively Mad Men is the better show, but I enjoy SOA more. Plus Mad Men is the most critically overrated show in recent years, perhaps even of all time, which is aggravating.

 

[strafer]

Just found out about this show, finished season 1-3 last weekend.

Wicked sick.

Weird seeing Pegg Bundy so badass.

also, seeing Titus Welliver getting cut in his face in the end there was pretty scary, I was so in to the moment that I went oh fuck and the weird thing I saw it coming but again I was so into it.

 

[Carnby]

Sutter did a lot of excellent writing for The Shield. Though aside from S2 and perhaps the back end of S1, I agree that SoA isn't quite up to snuff with The Shield. I get the feeling that Sutter's capable of a lot of great/crazy/fun writing, but when there's no one (i.e. Shawn Ryan) to keep him in line, he can get himself into trouble (see: S3). At times SoA is a little too much testosterone infused madness and not enough well structured drama. Though when it works, it's great. Here's hoping we get the good stuff in S4.
Agreed. I'll hold up S2 against just about anything that's on these days. There are a couple recent shows/seasons that were better, but not many.

Sutter is the Vince Russo of FX television programming. In other words, he's a wanna be.

 

[TouchMyBox]

So who else here gets stiff for Maggie Siff?

 

[questionmark]

So who else here gets stiff for Maggie Siff?

Well, yeah, sure. But my standards are pretty low, I would not have minded if they went with someone more attractive to play Tara, she's pretty plain.

 

[ivysaur12]

Kurt Sutter kills his character in the first 5 minutes. Metaphor for season 3?

Juice looks like shit with that mustache.

 

[Clevinger]

Season two is easily one of the best seasons of any drama that's currently on TV.

Agree to disagree. It'd be great for a network show, maybe, but not for a cable show. As a cable show, it's pretty much just a soap opera + violence + great production values. It's enjoyable, sometimes really enjoyable, but it's about as smart and deep as a puddle in Arizona and it absolutely pales in comparison to the cable shows it imitates.

 

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

Okay, someone here has got to explain to me why Season 3 is supposed to be bad?!

I just loved it, the whole Irish part was the best thing for me, so are fans like pissed off because the crew leaves Charming, or because of the baby storyline (it is important), or the whole Irish thing.

The ending was also brilliant, I really don't get the hate.

 

[ivysaur12]

Agree to disagree. It'd be great for a network show, maybe, but not for a cable show. As a cable show, it's pretty much just a soap opera + violence + great production values. It's enjoyable, sometimes really enjoyable, but it's about as smart and deep as a puddle in Arizona and it absolutely pales in comparison to the cable shows it imitates.

Please, stop it with that "cable show" bullshit. It's wildly pretentious and disrespectful to the network dramas (and the people that work on them) that can stand up with the best out there.

It's hyper-masculine and adrenaline filled. It had a very weak third season. That shouldn't undercut that the series is an extremely intelligent and well-written show. Agree to disagree then.

Okay, someone here has got to explain to me why Season 3 is supposed to be bad?!

I just loved it, the whole Irish part was the best thing for me, so are fans like pissed off because the crew leaves Charming, or because of the baby storyline (it is important), or the whole Irish thing.

The ending was also brilliant, I really don't get the hate.

For me? Pace + believability + not enough focus on Charming + thinner arcs + A main storyline that played out like a Claire-centric episode of Lost.

Still, the Irish opening they used for 3 episodes was sweeeeeeeet. And the ending was great.

 

[brianjones]

extremely intelligent and well written? wow

im curious what other shows youve seen

 

[ivysaur12]

extremely intelligent and well written? wow

im curious what other shows youve seen

I work in the entertainment industry and spend most of my time writing and watching television. I know my shit. Wanna try me? That doesn't mean my opinion is more important or more valid as yours, but don't try some bullshit argument that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to TV.

 

[TheOddOne]

Time to grab some popcorn and see how this unfolds.

 

[CajoleJuice]

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[Clevinger]

Please, stop it with that "cable show" bullshit. It's wildly pretentious and disrespectful to the network dramas (and the people that work on them) that can stand up with the best out there.

Nah, I don't think I will. I'm sorry you work for a network or know people who work for a network that makes shit dramas 98% of the time and this offends you. There's pretty much nothing on network TV that stands up with the best of cable, and there's very few throughout the years who have ever even approached them.

I work in the entertainment industry and spend most of my time writing and watching television. I know my shit. Wanna try me?

bahahahahahaaahahaha

 

[LocoMrPollock]

Any relation to Moop2000, Ivysaur12?

 

[ivysaur12]

Any relation to Moop2000, Ivysaur12?

Who?

And please, I'm not saying that broadcast isn't shit. It is shit. There's a reason most of the dramas are one season and done. But not only have there been some really fantastic dramas in this past decade on network television, Fringe and The Good Wife are two amazing shoes that stand up with series like Boardwalk Empire.

And it's not like cable dramas have had the best few seasons creatively. Game of Thrones, Shameless, Falling Skies, and Alphas have largely unimpressed me. Lights Out, Terriers, Heavy, and Boardwalk Empire were the only dramas from cable this past year that really did it for me... and two are dead.

 

[brianjones]

But not only have there been some really fantastic dramas in this past decade on network television, Fringe and The Good Wife are two amazing shoes that stand up with series like Boardwalk Empire.

this fuckin guy

i thought boardwalk empire was a little underwhelming considering the talent involved but it's still clearly better written than sons of anarchy

and fringe? are you serious

 

[ivysaur12]

this fuckin guy

i thought boardwalk empire was a little underwhelming considering the talent involved but it's still clearly better written than sons of anarchy

and fringe? are you serious

Yeah. I am serious. And yes, I am this fucking guy. Problem? Or are you still bewildered that I watch a shit ton of television yet somehow came to a different opinion than yourself?

Fringe's third season was easily one of the best seasons of television this year. Of course, considering you probably don't watch the show and have lumped it together as some network trash because, hey, it's sci-fi on Fox, I wouldn't expect you to know that.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

Who?

And please, I'm not saying that broadcast isn't shit. It is shit. There's a reason most of the dramas are one season and done. But not only have there been some really fantastic dramas in this past decade on network television, Fringe and The Good Wife are two amazing shoes that stand up with series like Boardwalk Empire.

And it's not like cable dramas have had the best few seasons creatively. Game of Thrones, Shameless, Falling Skies, and Alphas have largely unimpressed me. Lights Out, Terriers, Heavy, and Boardwalk Empire were the only dramas from cable this past year that really did it for me... and two are dead.

Dude, did you just mention Game of Thrones in the same sentence as Alphas and Falling Skies?

Also, just facepalm.gif at everything you've said.

What show/s have you written for?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

SoA is a very well made and entertaining show, but it has a lot of "soap opera"-ish elements that keep it from being up there with the stop stuff in the genre (elite tier like Mad Men, Sopranos, Wire, The Shield...)

 

[ivysaur12]

Dude, did you just mention Game of Thrones in the same sentence as Alphas and Falling Skies?

Also, just facepalm.gif at everything you've said.

What show/s have you written for?

Completely different levels of disappointment. But they still were all disappointments in some way. Game of Thrones should have been the Sopranos of fantasy. It wasn't, and is just another genre show that thinks it's smarter than it is with extremely high production values. Alphas and Falling Skies should have been my go-to sci-fi guilty pleasures. They were just bad. Shameless should have been a (raunchy) family drama that would be an Emmy contender.

And The Killing?

SoA is a very well made and entertaining show, but it has a lot of "soap opera"-ish elements that keep it from being up there with the stop stuff in the genre (elite tier like Mad Men, Sopranos, Wire, The Shield...)

Exactly. I don't anyone is arguing that Sons is better than those series. Hell, it's not even the best show on FX right now. And those soapy elements came to a very ugly head during its third season. But it's still a very well put together show that can be very intelligent when it wants to be. It's just too bad that a lot of the faith I had in creating the show was lost to a clumsy and often reckless third season.

 

[tokkun]

Fringe and The Good Wife are two amazing shoes that stand up with series like Boardwalk Empire.

I've only seen the first season of Fringe, but it is probably not a great example of "smart" TV. I had to stop watching because I found it to be too intellectually insulting. It was like Supernatural without the self-awareness.

 

[ivysaur12]

I've only seen the first season of Fringe, but it is probably not a great example of "smart" TV. I had to stop watching because I found it to be too intellectually insulting. It was like Supernatural without the self-awareness.

You should have stopped typing there. Despite some issues I had with the last two episodes of the series, the third season was pretty remarkable and extremely engrossing. And the second season had one of my favorite science fiction episodes from this decade. The fact that it hasn't gotten any Emmy nods yet is terrible.

Broadcast has a shittier year than cable. Most of what it put out wasn't worth anyone's time, except for maybe Lone Star (RIP).

Still, Awake > any cable or broadcast pilot premiering in the next season. If it lives to a second season, that's another story.

BACK ON TOPIC -> good, if slow, season premiere.

Did you think season one was really stupid and they suddenly turned things around in 2 & 3, or did you like it the whole way?

I think season one had a lot of issues with some really good moments in them. It's been a while (2 years?) so I need to go to Wikipedia to get a better idea.

A lot of the problems that I had in the first season were a lack of direction, a really poor overarching story ("the pattern" and ZFT), and fairly underdeveloped characters. Also, Peter's backstory became obvious to the viewer and then the producers thought it'd be fun to have Olivia's guessing about it until the finale. Still, Ability was great and the finale was fun. I wouldn't call the season "stupid" as much as I would call it leisure television. Stupid never really was a word that came to mind during the second half of the first season.

The second season is fairly divided because of a shaky start. But it's the first the time the series starts to explore the more philosophical questions associated with its new mythology. White Tulip is one of my favorite science fiction episodes in a really long time, and the second half of the season is amazing.

The third season is its best so far. There are very few week points, especially for a 22-episode season.

 

[tokkun]

You should have stopped typing there. Despite some issues I had with the last two episodes of the series, the third season was pretty remarkable and extremely engrossing. And the second season had one of my favorite science fiction episodes from this decade. The fact that it hasn't gotten any Emmy nods yet is terrible.

Did you think season one was really stupid and they suddenly turned things around in 2 & 3, or did you like it the whole way?

 

[LocoMrPollock]

And The Killing?

I doubt that.

In any case, you have terrible opinions.

 

[ivysaur12]

I doubt that.

In any case, you have terrible opinions.

You doubt what? The Killing was a horrendous piece of shit with an extremely well-adapted pilot. Hell on Wheels is AMC's next creative trainwreck.

And I'm sure your opinions are just as shitty. But in case you wanted to articulate further than just throwing up a "facepalm.gif", go right ahead.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

You doubt what? The Killing was a horrendous piece of shit with an extremely well-adapted pilot.

And I'm sure your opinions are just as shitty. But in case you wanted to articulate further than just throwing up a "facepalm.gif", go right ahead.

I don't care to at this time.

 

[ivysaur12]

I don't care to at this time.

lol.

Back on topic, do you think that Tara is being set up to be the show's true Ophelia? I know that the story hasn't really followed Hamlet to a t and that Opie (I guess) is Ophelia, but what say you? A main character hasn't died since Half-Sack and from the end of the episode, it looks like Tara could end up in an Ophelia situation.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

lol.

Well, I'd probably have more to say if I worked in the industry, spent all my time writing and watching television and knew my shit. And thought that Fringe was an emmy contender. But alas...

Honestly though, you're so all over the place and such an ass, that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Back on topic, do you think that Tara is being set up to be the show's true Ophelia? I know that the story hasn't really followed Hamlet to a t and that Opie (I guess) is Ophelia, but what say you? A main character hasn't died since Half-Sack and from the end of the episode, it looks like Tara could end up in an Ophelia situation.

I think they kind of abandoned the whole Hamlet thing a while back.

 

[Carnby]

I work in the entertainment industry and spend most of my time writing and watching television. I know my shit. Wanna try me? That doesn't mean my opinion is more important or more valid as yours, but don't try some bullshit argument that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to TV.

LOL wow. Can we see your IMDB page?

 

[blahblah...blah]

To be fair, he's right about The Killing...

 

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

He is right about The Killing yeah, it started off great, and I remember just dumping the show at Ep 6 if I remember well, very redundant show, whiny family back story, the constant "he's the murderer! oh no wait it's another guy" in every episode.

But I don't understand how can someone criticize SOA, it's one of the best shows out there, but we are entitled to our own opinions, I do think though that this is on par with Breaking Bad for example.

 

[CFMOORE!]

holy fuck. i just now found out that Charlie Hunnam is British! Mind blown. I always figured his Jax voice was embellished but had no clue he was fucking English.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

holy fuck. i just now found out that Charlie Hunnam is British! Mind blown. I always figured his Jax voice was embellished but had no clue he was fucking English.

Yeah, it blew my mind when I realized he was one of the leads in Green Street Hooligans. Good movie BTW.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

Ok, i need a refresher. What did the russians do to SAMCRO that made them turn.

And what did the guy in restraints in prison do to Jax that made the 1 eyed guy kill him?

 

[ivysaur12]

Ok, i need a refresher. What did the russians do to SAMCRO that made them turn.

And what did the guy in restraints in prison do to Jax that made the 1 eyed guy kill him?

That guy tried to kill Jax in prison. He was with the Russians.

 

[VGChampion]

LOL wow. Can we see your IMDB page?

I know I'm just jumping in randomly but why don't you show your Facebook? If he doesn't want to give away his identity no point in posting that.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

That guy tried to kill Jax in prison. He was with the Russians.

K, thx.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

I know I'm just jumping in randomly but why don't you show your Facebook? If he doesn't want to give away his identity no point in posting that.

Well he opened himself up to it with his proclamations.