Cornballer
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I'm a little bummed that we won't get to see the Irish try to spring Clay from a prison transport - that had some promise to it.
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Sons of Anarchy - Season 6 - Tuesdays on FX
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Very good episode, imo. Not a great one, but very good.
I think Jax was incredibly dumb and naive to think he had any ability to negotiate with the IRA. I'm glad Chibs called him out on that.
I figured the Irish would either blow up the clubhouse at 8pm or do a drive-by. The way Jax found out about the trojan beer keg via green pen was a little too convenient. It would have made more sense to have someone ask Chucky where the beer keg came from, then he'd say he doesn't know who ordered it. Same result.
Anyway, fuck the Irish. Oh, and I see now that Otto is dead, Sutter will shift his masochistic fantasies from torturing himself to having people masturbate while his wife has awkward sex.
edit - it also seems like this OT is losing members more quickly than Samcro is.
I think Jax was incredibly dumb and naive to think he had any ability to negotiate with the IRA. I'm glad Chibs called him out on that.
I figured the Irish would either blow up the clubhouse at 8pm or do a drive-by. The way Jax found out about the trojan beer keg via green pen was a little too convenient. It would have made more sense to have someone ask Chucky where the beer keg came from, then he'd say he doesn't know who ordered it. Same result.
Anyway, fuck the Irish. Oh, and I see now that Otto is dead, Sutter will shift his masochistic fantasies from torturing himself to having people masturbate while his wife has awkward sex.
edit - it also seems like this OT is losing members more quickly than Samcro is.
We still might. Chibs said that Clay was the Clubs only way of getting to the Irish, and that may very well be true.
Cornballer
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I guess if they don't know Clay's feeding info to Jax, but I assumed that once they blew up Teller Morrow Auto the whole thing was off. Perhaps we'll see it after all since the club needs a way to get back at the Irish in the end.
Deified Data
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Being forced to have sex while someone else watches is a weird thing to happen twice in someone's life, especially in such a narrow frame of time.
I don't completely buy Clay's turnaround in how he told Gemma about Galen's offer and asked her to have Jax let him know what to do.
At the same time, I have to think that Clay will not take kindly to the Irish blowing up a landmark with his name on it. I also can't imagine why the Irish would think Clay would work with them after blowing up the clubhouse and killing a whole hell of a lot of people.
Either way Jax's reign as president and efforts to get out of guns are horribly backfiring. He's toast at the end of this season - no gavel, no family. He's going to be left with nothing, metaphorically speaking.
No Bobby tonight, either.
At the same time, I have to think that Clay will not take kindly to the Irish blowing up a landmark with his name on it. I also can't imagine why the Irish would think Clay would work with them after blowing up the clubhouse and killing a whole hell of a lot of people.
Either way Jax's reign as president and efforts to get out of guns are horribly backfiring. He's toast at the end of this season - no gavel, no family. He's going to be left with nothing, metaphorically speaking.
No Bobby tonight, either.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Really???? I didn't watch tonight's episode but hasn't that happened twice already before?
Once in S2 when she was raped from Sobel's henchmen, and forced once from Nero's Girlfriend
Katey Sagal should just ask
to be killed off so she can go join the cast of Boardwalk Empire and win an Emmy.
brianjones
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...thats it??
i was expecting a character death at least
the gemma/clay scene was dumb
i was expecting a character death at least
the gemma/clay scene was dumb
Dominican Power
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There's never enough fuckery on this show. It's probably the most consistent thing you count on when watching.
Cornballer
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Vert boil
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Pizza con salsiccia
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Nice episode... too bad the explosion was a little too obvious.
Miles Quaritch
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I like that Sutter is putting those 60 minutes in the extended episodes to good use by having a 5 minute music montage at either the start or end of the episode. Jesus Christ...
Good episode overall though, some silly moments throughout but not enough for it be a bad episode. Gemma having sex with Clay will certainly come back to haunt her at some point, seems ripe to create tension between her and Nero.
Was a little disappointed that nothing really major happened, what was the epic shift in mythology? The club house blowing up? I also laughed pretty hard at how Jax figured out their was a bomb in the building...
And I laughed doubly hard at the joke Chibs made. Very good.
Good episode overall though, some silly moments throughout but not enough for it be a bad episode. Gemma having sex with Clay will certainly come back to haunt her at some point, seems ripe to create tension between her and Nero.
Was a little disappointed that nothing really major happened, what was the epic shift in mythology? The club house blowing up? I also laughed pretty hard at how Jax figured out their was a bomb in the building...
And I laughed doubly hard at the joke Chibs made. Very good.
Deified Data
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Sometimes at the start and the end!
Cornballer
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Someone should do a SoA montage compilation on youtube. I wonder how many minutes they've racked up over the years.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, it's getting pretty ridiculous now. What surprises me more is that it's taken up to this season for it to start annoying me. It just seems a like a complete waste of time...
Hehe.
Yes, this needs to happen when the show ends.
brianjones
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I think could forgive the montages if they used better music
usually they're like these horribly bland covers
usually they're like these horribly bland covers
Deified Data
Banned
They've always known Juice was Hispanic, but the club only seems to have a special aversion to blacks.
They even don't have that aversion. When Jax finds out he tells Juice and Bobby something like, "It's time to change those old bylaws."
Had Juice gone to the table and 'confessed' his father being black, the guys would have laughed at him for thinking it was anything to worry about.
LumpOfCole
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Jax seems way dumber this season than prior seasons. The Irish trying to get SAMCRO all in the same place at a specific time should've set red flags all over Jax's head. A shamrock pen instead being the red flag for Jax just seems dumbdumbdumb.
-Pyromaniac-
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This episode was just everything wrong with sons of anarchy and their 90 minute episodes lol. Terrible. And Kurt Sutter hyping it up on twitter....puhhlease. Ending was cool no doubt but everything else isn't landing imo.
deafmedal
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Jax should have known it was a setup, but I'm not concerned with the way he figured it out, it was the same type of pen he made the guy write the pickup location with. I will be bothered if no one goes into Toric's motel room though... blah blah tension. Good episode, looking forward to next week.
I reckon the extended eps are more annoying on TV, seems just right on iTunes.
I reckon the extended eps are more annoying on TV, seems just right on iTunes.
I don't follow the show but apparently some Twitter drama went down between Zack Handlen and Kurt Sutter over Handlen's review of the last episode.
Review in question: http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-mad-king,103900/
Just wanted to share because I thought it was pretty hilarious. lol
Review in question: http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-mad-king,103900/
Just wanted to share because I thought it was pretty hilarious. lol
Cornballer
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Yeah, I saw a bit of that earlier. Sutter acting like a petulant child, as usual.
BoboBrazil
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Something has been off this season. It just hasn't been as captivating to me as previous seasons. Maybe it's the longer episodes. Going up against the Irish again doesn't interest me either. Them going over to Ireland still brings up bad thoughts of that season and I don't care about any of those characters.
WarrenMax007
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I'm calling it right now Kurt Sutter is sick motherfucker. If you want shocking scene-do it right. When your wife getting fucked in prison cell by Ron Perlman while two guards watching and masturbating- it's not good, it's dumb and sick. DUMB AND SICK.
This show needs better writing. And no more montages,
And is this just me or music during action scenes is bad and out of place? In Season 5 90% of action scenes was out of place, like yada yada yada-ACTION SCENE-MUSIC-SHOOTING-yada yada yada- ending montage-the end.
This show needs better writing. And no more montages,
And is this just me or music during action scenes is bad and out of place? In Season 5 90% of action scenes was out of place, like yada yada yada-ACTION SCENE-MUSIC-SHOOTING-yada yada yada- ending montage-the end.
-Pyromaniac-
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it's definitely the longer episodes. Long periods of not much interesting happening keeps you off the edge of your seat longer. Weird pacing can ruin tension easily.
I'm still enjoying the show or else I wouldn't watch, but it's definitely tougher these days! I still like the ohshitcraycray moments. But they're spread so far out.
Kurt Sutter really needs to grow up. It'll help himself and his art.
He's the Kanye West of showrunners.
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I liked the episode, and I think the season has been great thus far. I have no problem with the whole pen "incident", it was the same type of pen used by the Irish guy earlier in the episode.
I thought this was a great episode, and indeed feel that in the past 2 episodes the show has really excelled and reached heights it hasn't hit since season 2. I didn't agree with the AV club review at all, though Sutter goes crazy as usual.
I certainly have to agree with the Alyssa Rosenborg article posted earlier, however. The show really does have too much of a fascination with the MC, it seems unable to separate 'protagonist' from 'good guy'. The ending explosion is shocking but it seems weightless given that everybody was able to escape unharmed. No doubt the revenge plot will have some blood involved, but once again actual meaningful deaths are avoided.
It was a problem I noticed increasingly in Breaking Bad and its love of "Heisenberg", whilst being something that the Shield always avoided with Mackey and the strike team (if you'll forgive the sudden sidetracking, the thread about the 2 has me thinking about those shows of late). I have said it a fair few times this season, but it is worth repeating that a particularly good final season or finale could render many of these complaints mute, but for now all one can do it look at the current episodes and complain of the attention lavished on the MC and its members.
A few other thoughts: The 'most criminal gangs are racist' line has been well established for a while, but every time its brought up I can't help but feel the whole thing is ridiculous. There doesn't seem to be any reason for the IRA to refuse to deal with Hispanics or with Black gangs, nothing in their history or in the show. The whole thing feels like some kind of reverse halo effect, like these guys are terrible, criminal people, and terrible people are also often racists and hateful, so these guys are probably racist as well. It's just really inconsistent and stupid. Why would the IRA refuse to sell directly to Marks when they knew for years that the Sons were just selling straight on to the One-Niners anyway? It's a minor point but annoying.
Also, the Tara plotline hinges on a major point - that Wendy would be willing to go along with things - that I just can't believe. They kind of brought it up in this episode, but not in the way I would have. Ultimately I feel that Jackson's threat in the previous season would have been enough to send Wendy away for good. Surely she or Tara realises that if Wendy really tried to take the kids away from him, the club would just kill her in a heartbeat? I can only presume that it is being built up as some kind of major moral decision for Jax, showing how far he has fallen by killing the mother of his child or something.
I certainly have to agree with the Alyssa Rosenborg article posted earlier, however. The show really does have too much of a fascination with the MC, it seems unable to separate 'protagonist' from 'good guy'. The ending explosion is shocking but it seems weightless given that everybody was able to escape unharmed. No doubt the revenge plot will have some blood involved, but once again actual meaningful deaths are avoided.
It was a problem I noticed increasingly in Breaking Bad and its love of "Heisenberg", whilst being something that the Shield always avoided with Mackey and the strike team (if you'll forgive the sudden sidetracking, the thread about the 2 has me thinking about those shows of late). I have said it a fair few times this season, but it is worth repeating that a particularly good final season or finale could render many of these complaints mute, but for now all one can do it look at the current episodes and complain of the attention lavished on the MC and its members.
A few other thoughts: The 'most criminal gangs are racist' line has been well established for a while, but every time its brought up I can't help but feel the whole thing is ridiculous. There doesn't seem to be any reason for the IRA to refuse to deal with Hispanics or with Black gangs, nothing in their history or in the show. The whole thing feels like some kind of reverse halo effect, like these guys are terrible, criminal people, and terrible people are also often racists and hateful, so these guys are probably racist as well. It's just really inconsistent and stupid. Why would the IRA refuse to sell directly to Marks when they knew for years that the Sons were just selling straight on to the One-Niners anyway? It's a minor point but annoying.
Also, the Tara plotline hinges on a major point - that Wendy would be willing to go along with things - that I just can't believe. They kind of brought it up in this episode, but not in the way I would have. Ultimately I feel that Jackson's threat in the previous season would have been enough to send Wendy away for good. Surely she or Tara realises that if Wendy really tried to take the kids away from him, the club would just kill her in a heartbeat? I can only presume that it is being built up as some kind of major moral decision for Jax, showing how far he has fallen by killing the mother of his child or something.
hey_monkey
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Dumbest criminals. Oh, hey, get everyone together at 8. So we can call you. With bombs.
Anyone think Tara's faking the pregnancy or
Is it just me?
Anyone think Tara's faking the pregnancy or
Is it just me?
Wendy wants her son away from Jax. Hence, the team-up with Tara.
RepairmanJack
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Wasn't really feeling this season the first couple episodes, but with the last episodes ending and this whole episode being great I'm back on board. I'm not really sure why, but I really liked this last episode.
Yeah, i understand the motivations, but I can't see that trumping self-preservation. Surely she must know she'll be killed the instant the plan comes to light?
a secret-boss
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Season so far is not bad
I can't believe i'm liking the Clay parts, but still hating the Gemma parts. The whole i like u more Wendy has been played.
I can't believe i'm liking the Clay parts, but still hating the Gemma parts. The whole i like u more Wendy has been played.
RepairmanJack
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Did I mishear something or did Clay say something about asking Jax what he wants him to do? Seemed odd for that to not come up or not emphasized more. Seemed like a pretty important thing for Clay to say.
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