Sony CFO Hiroki Totoki says PlayStation is reforming currently their gaming business
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SweetTooth
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Good, shelf the PC initiative and concentrate on adding value to your platform. Plus realocate from San Fran back to Tokyo and remove any DEI personnels and ideologies.
You are welcome.
You are welcome.
PurePlatinum
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If Ryan was almost universally disliked and we want change, than this is good news.
nial
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All sound like financials related.
Other than the fact that Nishino and Hulst wouldn't have to go to Tokyo and California every single day.
The difference that it would make:
Other than the fact that Nishino and Hulst wouldn't have to go to Tokyo and California every single day.
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Wolves hunt in packs
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No way... isn't PC sales are pretty good? for only porting a game already exists it's a no brainer.
MikeM
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Why would you shelve something that provides profits? Its clear the PS brand is not being diluted because of games coming to PC 1-2 years later.
Gaiff
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nial
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Are you guys sure you actually want this? I mean, I know I do, but looking at the reactions to Lego Horizon in this forum, sigh...
ChorizoPicozo
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the GaaS effect ladies and gentlemen. (yes only two). that initiative fucked them up really good
nial
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AAA budgets in general have a lot more to do with that, though.
Wolves hunt in packs
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I personally didn't click with Astro games, but would like more R&C and Jak and Daxter games.
Punished Miku
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It's all so vague that you can't real draw any conclusions from it yet. Guess we'll see.
ChorizoPicozo
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AAA budgets...... yeah cuz Concord was made for only 20M, factions was also a side project being made with 30 devs in their garage and Destiny was swimming in profits.
Not gonna lie, the only thing I like from the Horizon franchise are the robo-dinos, idgaf about the characters, in a perfect world Horizon would let you create your own character and leave you alone to destroy/tame robo-dinos as you please
And Lego games are the same iteration from 2 gens ago, with le funny rated E for Everyone "humor" I don't care about and basic gameplay
nial
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I said in general, if you couldn't notice. High budgets in GAAS doesn't make the exact same thing happening with SP projects less of a problem.
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Angry_Megalodon
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"optimization", "cost cuts"
chokotoureiki
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Optimization in sales and marketing and cost cuts.....I'm liking the sound of that. I've always thought that while they're great at making sales, their profit margins are quite razor thin low. 7% is not great. Ideally, I'd like to see 30% profit margins as well as improved equity returns. I'd love to see them soar to the likes of Apple or Tesla.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
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Does this mean we don't get a Concord sequel?
They will probably do pc releases earlier. *cough* Spider-man 2.
vaibhavpisal
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More AA and creative stuff is what I am reading from this.
Less expensive GAAS and SP titles.
They don't need to spend $200 million to make TLOU 2 style game. It should be made in 50 million.
Less expensive GAAS and SP titles.
They don't need to spend $200 million to make TLOU 2 style game. It should be made in 50 million.
Little Chicken
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I love this guy 
SweetTooth
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Its ok not great especially for SP games, they can release GAAS day one on PC thats fine .. but SP games needs to be locked to your platform just like how Nintendo does it.
They might get short term gains releasing SP games on PC but in the end it will eat down their core audience and dilute the value of their platform in the long run.
Nintendo knows that and I hate to admit that they are completely right thinking so.
nial
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That's where I was going; Lego Horizon is similar to Astro Bot in regard to being a smaller budget, light-hearted project that didn't take several years to make.
If you want Sony to make more stuff like Astro Bot, expect a lot of stuff that won't probably click with you.
In defense of Lego Horizon, it's not made by the same devs of the other Lego games and I've seen some claiming that it was fresh enough in comparison to those. We will see, though.
Killjoy-NL
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Probably means Bloodborne Remake Playstation-exclusive.
SweetTooth
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You're more likely to see games being ported to PC even earlier.
Maybe but I still think thats the wrong Strategy to do
Gaiff
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Nintendo's games don't cost $200M+ to produce.
Radical_3d
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Totoki is one Hulst fired away from being the best thing that happened to Sony since Kutaragi.
Wolves hunt in packs
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I don't see this the same way you do, i will keep buying PS consoles even if all games are day one on PC, why would i care? same goes for my family and friends... they have a PS5 and not into PC so nothing would ever change their mind.
DenchDeckard
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These nuggets are the only kind of peep behind the curtain we get when it comes to things like game budgets, expectation and performance.
Something clearly needs to be changed from Sony's perspective.
Something clearly needs to be changed from Sony's perspective.
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ChorizoPicozo
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we all know where they can cut some of the cost that doesn't add anything to the project cof, cof, cof DEI. Spiderman 2 didn't need twice as big of a writing team for example.
now, if Spiderman 2 and Concord both cost 300M, but only one made profit by selling 10+M.... one is actually the problem.
if Bungie had twice as many developers as the biggest single player Sony studio while making the biggest GaaS of its kind AND still they were bleeding money...... yeah, that is a BIG problem.
if little Astrobot had a modest budget and took 4 years to make and sold only 1.5M.... that's is a problem.
PS size demands their games to be blockbusters, to make around 500M to 1B in revenue. And people expect that from Sony too.
as with Hollywood, budgets increased but the quality didn't. why? because of the talent at the helm of these projects.
Schmendrick
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sooo,
- day and date releases on PC to not simply waste all those marketing millions ?
- removal of all the expensive DEI crap ?
- downsizing the scope per game to sustainable levels ?
- no more fucking up the production pipelines and gambling billions for that elusive jackpot-GAAS hit ?
- day and date releases on PC to not simply waste all those marketing millions ?
- removal of all the expensive DEI crap ?
- downsizing the scope per game to sustainable levels ?
- no more fucking up the production pipelines and gambling billions for that elusive jackpot-GAAS hit ?
nial
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Yep, but then you realize that this is something they've been talking about for a while.
I remember Hulst mentioning an increased focus on outsourcing...
... and co-development as well.
Plus, Astro Bot was made to reach new audiences, and it did a good job with that. That pie chart from Sony's slide was something I've never seen them doing ever before.
The Cockatrice
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Realistically I dont think it means what we hope it means and even if it does, might take at least 4 years before we see anything substantial.
Makoto-Yuki
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go in harder with PC and release them on it day 1. it's the best way to PS games. i'd be happy if i didn't need to buy another playstation.
that's all i ask.
that's all i ask.
nial
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So you agree that it's indeed a real problem to focus on.
You're trying way too hard to make this about GAAS when increasing budgets is something that Sony has been having a legit concern for a while. Yes, SM2 made profit, but the issue is that it's getting harder and harder to break even, and it's especially a bigger risk regarding new IPs (which we know ND and SMS are making).
I agree?
In two months it "only" sold 1.5M while already making all of its money back. Not sure how that's a problem.
You definitely know about this more than Sony itself.
ChorizoPicozo
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i never said the opposite.
im not trying hard my dude, just look at how many GaaS Sony has cancelled since their GaaS initiative.
you should be able to see what i am saying. then.
i already said it.
not only me. i hope what totoki said it's actual damage control. (regarding Concord's falirue)
Mr Moose
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So what you mean is don't do this? They want you to buy a PlayStation.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
- Divert more resources to the Live Service game department.
LordOcidax
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Go back to at least 3 exclusives per year and done. Is not that hard…
nial
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Which has little to do with this current reforming regarding resources allocation.
I see, and it doesn't make the slightest of sense.
You didn't but k.
I have no interest in watching a YouTube video by some random, sorry.
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ChorizoPicozo
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follow the conversation, follow your own statements
this is why you are so ignorant about it.
Hypereides
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Chorizo, do yourself a favor and disengage. The guy you're conversing with is allergic to reading criticism about Sony.
nial
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Thanks for letting me know you have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation. Cheers.
ChorizoPicozo
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It's not my fault that you can't follow the conversation.