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[TheKratos]

That is 3 disc.
Some games had alot of disc's.

Plus didn't x360 and ps3 had internet?

He had alot of option. But opted out the easy way.

It explains why him and Konami had a fallout lately. You dont do stupid stuff like these, and miss out on those sales.

Then again it's Kojima. He lives in his own world.

What is this math?

 

[SSfox]

Kojima was the only one that stayed loyal to Sony during rough times at early PS3 gen, pretty much everyone other exclusive PS3 games have turned into multi.

Sony should never ever forget this.

 

[Urban]

That’s not a dig at Xbox. That’s poking fun at the original PlayStation game where you had to swap disks.

The console wars were pretty spicey back then

 

[RoboFu]

The console wars were pretty spicey back then

Seems to be pretty heated now for you

But yes this codec happens during the return to Shadow Moses area. It was obviously talking about the first game.

 

[Clear]

The common belief, at the time, was that using the PS3 as the lead machine and then porting to Xbox was easier than the other way round. Never looked into the veracity of that but that was the view back then.

It was preferable going that way as it avoided memory allocation issues. The PS3 had split pools, the 360 was unified.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Kojima was the only one that stayed loyal to Sony during rough times at early PS3 gen, pretty much everyone other exclusive PS3 games have turned into multi.

Sony should never ever forget this.

 

[Kilau]

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots debuted in March 2005 on PlayStation 3

My biggest surprise is that the game came out a year before the PS3 launched, amazing.

 

[tusharngf]

game could have touched 10 million units but anyway its Kojima's descision.

 

[Urban]

Seems to be pretty heated now for you

But yes this codec happens during the return to Shadow Moses area. It was obviously talking about the first game.

Na just reminiscing about the time back than…
Plus someone needs to tell the young generation about it. I’m past that “war” mindset. I enjoy every game on every Plattform

 

[lostinblue]

Why did they leave it to rot on PS3 though, why no PC port or PS4/XboxOne?

Hard game to retool, it's the only game on PS3 that uses the sys_overlay call which is why it took until 2018 for the emulators to get ingame with it.

It's a way to inject/load code on the fly, and it also did that with graphics rendering.

Think of MGS4 as a game developed by a developer that saw PS3 as 4 PS2's tied together (PS2-2 VU's vs PS3-7 SPE's) it had that old CPU controls GPU mantra going on that was obsolete at that point and went from the ground up with that briefing without a multiplatform implementation. It's a mess and at the same time developed as if Ken Kutaragi was having it his way.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Remember back then about the disk wars, but what i remember the most were people complaining about having to install games on a HDD.
"This is a PC thing!", "Consoles are supposed to be plug and play!" or "Don't make my experience overcomplicated!".

Nowadays this is basically the norm and now we have people complaining about graphical options on consoles.
"This is a PC thing!", "Consoles are supposed to be plug and play!" or "Don't make my experience overcomplicated!".

Between snake and fallout guy, now i know who was right about war.

 

[Cyber_hunter026]

 

[Big Baller]

Thank God we could play it with Now.

 

[01011001]

wait... so he was ok with the game quite literally installing for 10 minutes AFTER EVERY CHAPTER IN THE GAME... but releasing it on multiple discs that you can swap within 10 seconds was "too complicated"?

wtf?

 

[nush]

Kojima was the only one that stayed loyal to Sony during rough times at early PS3 gen

Fanboy shit that they didn't shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[RoboFu]

wait... so he was ok with the game quite literally installing for 5 to 10 minutes AFTER EVERY CHAPTER IN THE GAME... but releasing it on multiple discs that you can swap within 10 seconds was "too complicated"?

wtf?

 

[01011001]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds49g_MXgAE48Ip.jpg

fun times those installs xD

for real tho, the only reason these installs needed to happen is because the PS3 loaded extremely slowly from BluRay, ad decompressing to that and you're in trouble.
so if they made a 360 port these installs would not have been necessary.

all they would have needed to do is to put every chapter onto its own disc and make you swap discs.

swapping dics takes up less than 1% of the time compared to these 10min installs

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

It would have not sold enough copies to justify the amount of work.

 

[Georges Chiellins]

Debuted in March 2005 on the PS3. Wut?

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Not surprising. Japanese developers are understandly Sony fanboys. Looking at you Altus. Loyalty seems faaaaar more important to them than American developers who (understandly) follow the dollar and will release their games on a roster if the pay is good enough.

 

[Drew1440]

The original PS3 consoles had only 20GB hard disks, which is why MGS4 installed in different parts per chapter. Disk fragmentation could also be an issue, though the PS3 is supported to use a file system that's resilient to that.

As for the 360, Microsoft should have allowed for games to be packaged on the HD-DVD addon, for specific games that could have benefitted it, then again having games rely on addons early in the consoles life is not a good luck. Plus since its using USB, they may have been worried about security/piracy.

 

[GreatnessRD]

Nothing new. They can redeem themselves by releasing a MGS collection with RT

My body and soul is ready. My wallet, too.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

It would have not sold enough copies to justify the amount of work.

On the 360? Was the most popular console at the time. It would have done gang busters.

 

[nush]

PS3 loaded extremely slowly from BluRay

It's Bluray, just make the cutscenes HD video files and be done with it.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

X360 had no hdd by default. It was mandated that on 360 games run off of the disc without a need for a HDD. 30GB isn't 3 discs it's 4 and even then it would be more since you need to duplicate data between them too and possibly change the structure of the game like Rage did.

Konami fell out with Kojima after MGSV which was multiplatform + PC. Nothing to do with missing out on sales.

That makes sense. However, for some reason I seem to remember some games later in the generation requiring a hard drive. That or I’m absolutely mental.

 

[SSfox]

Fanboy shit that they didn't shoot themselves in the foot.

Fanboys are those who keep begging for other plateformes games to come to their fetish piece of plastic box for years

 

[Swift_Star]

The console wars were pretty spicey back then

It’s clearly referencing the ps1 game. Snake is on shadow Moses when this happens.
Cmon now.

 

[Swift_Star]

Not surprising. Japanese developers are understandly Sony fanboys. Looking at you Altus. Loyalty seems faaaaar more important to them than American developers who (understandly) follow the dollar and will release their games on a roster if the pay is good enough.

That’s not how this works.

 

[cireza]

The DVD format would prove to be a problem for open games where you can access all places visited throughout the entirety of the game. Still, games like Lost Odyssey managed to do this with 4 discs. So I think there would have been a solution, especially for something linear like MGS.

Too bad ! This is a missed opportunity, in my opinion.

 

[nush]

Fanboys are those who keep begging for other plateformes games to come to their fetish piece of plastic box for years

 

[SSfox]

It would have not sold enough copies to justify the amount of work.

Yup

"Metal Gear Solid 5 sells 3 million copies — most of them on PlayStation 4. In the UK, 72 per cent of sales were on PS4"

There’s a good chance you bought Metal Gear Solid this weekend

In the UK, 72 per cent of sales were on PS4, taking the game shooting to the top of the charts

www.independent.co.uk

 

[ManaByte]

kojima has always been a playstation fanboy , he is one of us

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Why not PC though. I just think it's sad that so many people didn't have the opportunity to play the last good mainline game on the franchise.

Yup

"Metal Gear Solid 5 sells 3 million copies — most of them on PlayStation 4. In the UK, 72 per cent of sales were on PS4"

There’s a good chance you bought Metal Gear Solid this weekend

In the UK, 72 per cent of sales were on PS4, taking the game shooting to the top of the charts

www.independent.co.uk

It was a given that MGS5 would sell more on PS4, when it's predecessor was platform exclusive.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

That’s not how this works.

If what they are saying is true its LITERALLY how it worked in this situation.

 

[kingfey]

game could have touched 10 million units but anyway its Kojima's descision.

That is the fate of 3rd party games, which tries to lock their games on 1 system.

 

[GHound]

In an alternate reality where a 360 port released and they refused to back down from uncompressed audio there would have been enough common data per disc that we would have actually gotten the iconic 20 disc MGS4 boxset meme for real.

I want to be in that timeline instead, just for the memes.

 

[Iced Arcade]

That's interactive movie would have taken a lot of DVDs

 

[Swift_Star]

If what they are saying is true its LITERALLY how it worked in this situation.

They never said Japanese developers are PlayStation fanboys. Source of that exactly phrasing?

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

They never said Japanese developers are PlayStation fanboys. Source of that exactly phrasing?

Oh , you're nitpicking hyperbolic terminology instead of looking at the totality of the point...copy.

 

[Swift_Star]

That is the fate of 3rd party games, which tries to lock their games on 1 system.

Final Fantasy VII Remake is not having this problem, though. Some games simply don’t sell on some platforms because their audience isn’t there.
Same goes for Kingdom Hearts series.

 

[Swift_Star]

Oh , you're nitpicking hyperbolic terminology instead of looking at the totality of the point...copy.

So, you got nothing.
Cope, son.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

On the 360? Was the most popular console at the time. It would have done gang busters.

Nah.

 

[SLB1904]

That's interactive movie would have taken a lot of DVDs

Hiw many games even have more gameplay mechanics than mgs4?

 

[DaleinCalgary]

I remember the great wars back in the day here when many argued all you needed was a DVD drive and blu ray was a gimmick.

 

[Swift_Star]

On the 360? Was the most popular console at the time. It would have done gang busters.

Final Fantasy XIII Debuts On Xbox 360 With Less Than 22,579 Units Sold

Not surprised at all. FFXIII flopped on 360.
Like I said, some games have no audience on xbox ecosystem.

 

[Beechos]

Sounds like b.s. what would be the excuse now for not porting to other consoles.

 

[mejin]

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Sounds like b.s. what would be the excuse now for not porting to other consoles.

massive changes most likely needed from code for the dumb Cell Cpu.

 

[kingfey]

Final Fantasy VII Remake is not having this problem, though. Some games simply don’t sell on some platforms because their audience isn’t there.
Same goes for Kingdom Hearts series.

Steam has audience.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Final Fantasy XIII Debuts On Xbox 360 With Less Than 22,579 Units Sold

Not surprised at all. FFXIII flopped on 360.
Like I said, some games have no audience on xbox ecosystem.

1. FF has a different audience than MGS considering one is more western in inspiration than the other.

2. it was an old game when it released, so the intrigue was already dead.

3. MGS5 sold well on xbox even with the huge disparity in console sales. during the 360 era when the margin was smaller it would have bolstered the games sales.