Sony doubles Apr - Jun sales in 2008
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The Innocent X
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Karma said:
In a quarter where PS3 had MGS4, to only catch up by 0.26 millions when you need to close a gap of 6 million is a bit worrying.
These results were Q1
mr_bishiuk
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BishopLamont said:
The sales figures in Financial reports are the sales to retailers figures where as NPD figures etc are sold to consumers
nicholasphan
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I think they'll do quite a bit more than 10 million at the rate they're going.
Karma said:
Where are those 360 numbers coming from? If true, Microsoft is doing VERY WELL in Europe. I mean, PS3 numbers > 360 in the US. In June alone it was more than 200,000 units above 360 and with April and May combined leads to a figure that accounts for the 260,000 edge you have written there.
If we include consistently higher PS3 sales in Japan, the perception of strong PS3 sales in Europe alongside the launch of two strong EU-centric titles in GT5P and MGS4, for Microsoft to match those numbers above they would have had to have performed AMAZING in Europe in those months.
nicholasphan
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mr_bishiuk said:
and yes you cannot use such methods to calculate Europe's sales. Not to mention there are markets outside Europe, Japan and the US.
The Innocent X
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Kagari said:
But if it gains .26 million in a VERY strong quarter, its chances of catching in the next 2 years look miniscule.
nicholasphan
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gantz85 said:
you're confusing sold to customers and sold to retailers.
For e.g Sony could have only shipped 1.56 million PS3s this quarter, but more than 1.56 mil PS3s could have been sold from retailers to consumers in this same period, if they overshipped in the previous quarter.
The Innocent X
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Kagari said:
Possible, but not looking likely. I would suggest sometime in 2011 is now Sony's next chance of catching 360 WW.
JoshuaJSlone
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Nope. They're talking an April-March year, so this quarter is the first of the year they're talking about. 1.56 million in this quarter means they need 8.44 million in the next three quarters. However, it's quite possible. In the equivalent three quarters of the previous year, they shipped 8.53 million.jiggle said:
Seconded on this. If MS gave a new shipment number I missed it and can't find it with Google News.gantz85 said:
0.26 is a tiny gain, but I think PS3 Japan will speed up sooner or later, while 360 continues to wallow.
I also think the PS3 will pull ahead as it gets more affordable, which I think will be less likely for 360. 360 is in the end a hardcore machine, and the PS3 is a more visible brand name. Put in multmedia functions like Blu-Ray which anyone in the market can appreciate, and you have a pretty compelling case why as the prices drop, more people will flock over to PS3 than 360, IMO.
I also think the PS3 will pull ahead as it gets more affordable, which I think will be less likely for 360. 360 is in the end a hardcore machine, and the PS3 is a more visible brand name. Put in multmedia functions like Blu-Ray which anyone in the market can appreciate, and you have a pretty compelling case why as the prices drop, more people will flock over to PS3 than 360, IMO.
nicholasphan said:
I'm sorry, I don't get what you're saying. Can you please explain in greater detail and relate it to the figures we have above? And also what I was saying?
The .26 million sales advantage that PS3 had over 360 from Apr-June 2008 should be completely accounted for in the US already (June had 200K PS3 advantage). Which of these figures are shipped, which are sold?
Private Hoffman
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gantz85 said:For the information fiends like myself:
PS3 sales grew by 18.1 milliion units to a total of 22.8 million (from 4.7 million units last year). Wow. Well, not entirely suprising but still wow. Last year was a drought :lol
How were software sales down if the PS3 increased by 18.1 million, PSP increased by 2 million, and the PS2 decreased by 11.8 million?
BishopLamont
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Goddamnit, forgot how Sony worked with numbers.mr_bishiuk said:
JoshuaJSlone
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Shipped != sold. Some quarters will have shipments greater than what were sold since they anticipated sales being higher or it's early stocking for later time, and some quarters will have shipments lower than what were sold due to previously being overshipped.laserbeam said:
Every number Sony is giving that's the basis of this thread is shipped from them to retailers.gantz85 said:
BLaZiN PRopHeT
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BishopLamont
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It's only shipment numbers, not sold to consumers. I made the same mistake like you earlier. :lollaserbeam said:
Karma said:
All they can go is up now right?
nicholasphan
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gantz85 said:
the 200K lead is a sold number because its from NPD.
the 1.56 million PS3 and 1.3 million 360 figures for this quarter are shipped.
nicholasphan
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JoshuaJSlone said:
it was in MS's quarterly report. its somewhere..
DJ Crimson
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Good for them.
milanbaros
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Private Hoffman said:
No one seems to be answering this. Why is the report contradicting itself? The figures show increase yet the comment say decrease. It can't be yen sales because PS3 games will be more expensive than PS2.
Anybody?
nicholasphan
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laserbeam said:
agaaiin. the PSP numbers Sony gave are shipped. and the numbers you're using are sold!
SIP YEK NOD
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From MS's latest financial report.
So, assuming stock levels stay the same.
1.3 million 360
NPD USA April: 188,000
NPD USA May: 219,800
NPD USA June: 186,600
USA Total: 594,400
Media Create Sales from 3/31 - 4/6 to 6/23 - 6/29: 24,180
Japan Total: 24,180
Europe Total: 681,420
That would suggest the 360 is doing better in europe.....
So, assuming stock levels stay the same.
BishopLamont said:
1.3 million 360
NPD USA April: 188,000
NPD USA May: 219,800
NPD USA June: 186,600
USA Total: 594,400
Media Create Sales from 3/31 - 4/6 to 6/23 - 6/29: 24,180
Japan Total: 24,180
Europe Total: 681,420
That would suggest the 360 is doing better in europe.....
Private Hoffman
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nicholasphan said:
Something to keep in mind is that Microsoft may have shipped more 360s because they were coming out of an apparent shortage.
Meanwhile, Sony is trying to get rid of the 40 GB in the US so they aren't shipping as many (if at all) of the core units until the new 80 GB is released.
This could easily resolve the apparent shipping discrepancy. Worldwide sold to consumers figures could be much greater in Sony's favor than the shipped numbers indicate.
nicholasphan
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milanbaros said:
Sony's accountants made a mistake? I can't explain it either..
nicholasphan
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SIP YEK NOD said:
oh.. my... god.. again! you are taking SHIPPED numbers (1.3 mil) minus SOLD numbers to get SOLD numbers in Europe?
SIP YEK NOD
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oh.. my... god.. again! This is assuming the stock levels stay the same, as in shipments replace sold stock, retailers ordering what they sell. This is to get a rough idea, i am not saying that is exactly where the numbers are. it's to give us a rough idea.nicholasphan said:
Don't give yourself a hernia sweating the small stuff, friend.
nicholasphan
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SIP YEK NOD said:
its not 'the small stuff' when you make big assumptions and end up giving statements like
SIP YEK NOD
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nicholasphan said:
You ok, buddy?
Also, video game sales: not small stuff....apparently
The Innocent X
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hauton said:
Have you actually read any media create threads? The PS3 is back down to 12K a week and the 360 is at 4K. There are no "megaton" japanese games on the horizon that is going to make the kind of difference you speak of.
So I'd say the keypoints of this quarter are:
1)Gaming division back to profit in a non holyday quarter
2)Sony has been clearing channels of old PS3s during last quarter to make room for the 80GB in Q2 hence the lower than sales shipments (at this point it's really hard to buy a PS3 in Europe and 40GB are out of stock in the US according to reports). Maybe we'll get giant shipments in the July to September quarter as they fully restock Europe and US with the 80GB model.
3) PSP hardware... WHAT??? Nearly 4m in one quarter?:lol
4) PS3 software sales BOOM... but of course in a quarter with MGS4 and GTA4 and GT5P that should have been expected.
1)Gaming division back to profit in a non holyday quarter
2)Sony has been clearing channels of old PS3s during last quarter to make room for the 80GB in Q2 hence the lower than sales shipments (at this point it's really hard to buy a PS3 in Europe and 40GB are out of stock in the US according to reports). Maybe we'll get giant shipments in the July to September quarter as they fully restock Europe and US with the 80GB model.
3) PSP hardware... WHAT??? Nearly 4m in one quarter?:lol
4) PS3 software sales BOOM... but of course in a quarter with MGS4 and GTA4 and GT5P that should have been expected.
JoshuaJSlone
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The problem is, we know there are going to be inconsistencies among all regions. If you then subtract the known sales from two of the regions, that pushes all the inconsistencies onto a single region, making it especially unreliable.SIP YEK NOD said:
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gantz85 said:
Are you from the future?