JoshuaJSlone
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Well, total hardware shipments for this quarter were at 12.8-14.4 million versus 3.6-4.4 the year before, so it makes sense that software increased by several times, too.bcn-ron said:
Sony doubles Apr - Jun sales in 2008
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Mr. Pointy
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Could Sony be stockpiling all those PSPs for New Years in Japan?nicholasphan said:
mr_bishiuk
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JoshuaJSlone said:
This is true and I agree you cant use those figures to extrapolate Europe figures but we know shipments in Japan are next to nothing and in the US at least the retail chain stocks are always quite thin (musing threads point to stores getting in a hand fall of units a weeks and selling them quickly and older revisions dont seem to take long to disappear) so I think we can tell that European sales of the 360 are not quite as bad as people sometimes suggest, perhaps because Europe had a significant price cut early in the quarter and MS have started pushing it a whole lot more there.
(I appreciate there is the rest of the world but often times when we see the LTD they are barley a months US sales for example)
tahrikmili
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At 0.26m per quarter Sony has a long way to go to catch up considering 360 might have a real price cut soon and a cut for PS3 looks unlikely.
I do think MS has performed better this generation in Europe than the last. But for this quarter to match PS3 which shipped two very EU-centric titles in Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is nothing short of bullshit. I call severe channel stuffing at the least.
Oh well.
Oh well.
JoshuaJSlone
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Here are MS's shipped figures for the quarter ending before and after PS3 launch.fanboi said:
Through September 2006: 6.0 million
Through December 2006: 10.4 million
BLaZiN PRopHeT
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gantz85 said:Microsoft over-shipping just to claim they have good sales in Europe? I think so
Oh well, these are all short-term measures. It will tell eventually.
they did have a huge price cut in eu. and retailers have been selling some crazy bundles why is it so hard to believe?
gantz85 said:Microsoft over-shipping just to claim they have good sales in Europe? I think so
Oh well, these are all short-term measures. It will tell eventually.
I don't think Microsoft has overshipped, they did ok in the last quarter, I mean it's in line with their usual shipment figures.
Sony instead is about 1 million lower than what they could have shipped because they cleared channels from all the 40GB PS3s and as a result at the moment you can't find PS3s in Europe at all (since 40GB is the only model here :/) and mainly 80GB MGS4 bundles are available in the US.
It's just because of really strong actual hardware sales due to big games like MGS4 that they managed to succesfully clear channels and yet ship 1.56m units in the quarter.
If Sony fully restocks both USA and Europe during the next quarter (July-September) with 80GB units we should see huge shipments, much higher than actual sales, so in the end things will be balanced.
mr_bishiuk
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they cant force retailers to buy consoles from them!!
Paracelsus
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Doubledex said:
No idea about the "months" thingy, but almost for sure now they ain't having any more 40gb units because of the 80gb SKU, which is due for shipping to retailers within the end of August.
Phife Dawg
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Good that they made a profit in the quarter.
As for the shipped numbers, I think everyone expected them to be an improvement. It'll be interesting to see if they can meet their shipment targets for the year.
As for the shipped numbers, I think everyone expected them to be an improvement. It'll be interesting to see if they can meet their shipment targets for the year.
Huh? I saw a stack just the other day. And months? So we didn't get any MGS4 bundles? Damn :lol .Doubledex said:
Psychotext
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I grabbed these 360 figures from their recent results thread. Anyone got the equivalent for the PS3?
milanbaros
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Its good to see that all 3 manufacturers are doing ok. I think the market has expanded enough in the past couple of years to have 3 consoles doing well but then it was big enough last gen and the gen before but the leading console always dominated too much.
Xbox360 and PS3 are both going to crush the GC and Xbox in sales.
Sorry to go a bit off topic but with Nintendo making super normal profit its strange that another company hasn't come in yet to compete. In Europe at least a console offering a bulked up xbox360 arcade, psn or wiiware would probably do well if someone with some pedigree released it i.e. apple.
Xbox360 and PS3 are both going to crush the GC and Xbox in sales.
Sorry to go a bit off topic but with Nintendo making super normal profit its strange that another company hasn't come in yet to compete. In Europe at least a console offering a bulked up xbox360 arcade, psn or wiiware would probably do well if someone with some pedigree released it i.e. apple.
Personally I think it's becoming increasingly obvious that the race for second place is futile.
Neither competitor is going to outsell the other one by enough of a margin to deem the other irrelevant from a publishing perspective, meaning that they will continue to share the majority of their games for the rest of the generation.
Of course, you could look at it the other way around and say that because neither will ever deem the other irrelevant, they will be forced to spend more to secure exclusive content in an effort to appear more marginally attractive than the other, but I imagine that with this kind of 50/50 split in place, that's going to become tougher for each company to actually do.
All in all, I expect these two systems to be more or less interchangeable for the vast majority of the audience for the rest of their lifespans.
The only real question worth watching is Wii vs. PS360, since there seem to be multiple variables in that equation outside of simple gross unit sales.
Neither competitor is going to outsell the other one by enough of a margin to deem the other irrelevant from a publishing perspective, meaning that they will continue to share the majority of their games for the rest of the generation.
Of course, you could look at it the other way around and say that because neither will ever deem the other irrelevant, they will be forced to spend more to secure exclusive content in an effort to appear more marginally attractive than the other, but I imagine that with this kind of 50/50 split in place, that's going to become tougher for each company to actually do.
All in all, I expect these two systems to be more or less interchangeable for the vast majority of the audience for the rest of their lifespans.
The only real question worth watching is Wii vs. PS360, since there seem to be multiple variables in that equation outside of simple gross unit sales.
Private Hoffman
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Prisen said:
uh...what?
Hunahan said:
:lol
I reckon that by the end of this generation, I reckon PS3 will have outsold 360 by a significant margin. People were saying PS3 couldn't make it after its first year out and then it equalled the 360 in sales. And now in its second it's finally starting to outsell the 360 in the US and is doing strong in Europe and people are saying it's going to be a stalemate? :lol The PS3 is just getting started, and it's at $399 too.
The Innocent X said:
Apr-Jun is hardly the strongest quarter in the year for game sales....the big fish, and the biggest opportunity for catchup in absolute terms, will be in the last 4 or 5 months of the year. The cumulative effect of the titles it's had in 08 so far and will continue to have over the year should give it a fighting chance to stay ahead month-to-month, but we'll see.
Anyway, for some reason that gap seems to be getting smaller quicker than looking at the numbers at any one time seemed to suggest. What was the gap six months ago? 9 months ago? 12 months ago? I'd be curious to see the progression, cos 14 vs 20 doesn't look so dire anymore (in a relative sense). It also doesn't seem very Gamecube-y FWIW
(unless Gamecube was very front loaded..and I don't think PS3 is)edit - a profit in the game division that quarter is also a nice surprise, but I wonder if they see that as sustainable over the year or not.
SIP YEK NOD
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gofreak said:
Thats just it, it's all relative.
8 vs 2 is a crushing victory
14 vs 8 is a pretty decent margin
20 vs 14 isn't all that bad
40 vs 34 is pretty close
They are all 6 point gaps.
NemesisPrime
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That is pretty weak for PS3. But it seems PSP is finally doing some respectable numbers.
Private Hoffman
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NemesisPrime said:
It has nothing to do with "doing respectable numbers".
Sony is just shipping more PSPs to the retail channel. The PS3 shipments are drying up due to the impending release of the 80 GB unit in september.
There will be a much larger number of PS3s shipped for next quarter to account for this.
Nice to see the PS3 is doing some good to Sony. Personally, the thing I love this generation is that the competition between the 360 and PS3 is healthy for us gamers. The quality of products we're seeing right now is something I have never seen in previous generation. Let the competition continue!!!
Ignore the Wii...nothing can compete with it.
Ignore the Wii...nothing can compete with it.
SIP YEK NOD said:
True, but it demonstrates from the start what I was saying yonks ago in these debates..that a even if Sony only kept pace over time, a gap of even up to 10m units would continue to look smaller and smaller and smaller proportionately (if the HD market turns out to be reasonably large).
I am wondering what the absolute gap was though, even, 12 months ago. Maybe it's perception but it seem the absolute gap seems to have ratcheted down a bit too.
JoshuaJSlone
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They changed methods of how they reported shipments, and adding their new quarterly figures to their old totals won't give accurate results. PS3 is the only system new enough that its entire shipment history is available in the new method. So unless you know something most of us have missed, I don't know how we can give accurate totals for PS2 or PSP at this point.Elios83 said:
Here's a comparison of PS3 using the old method (while they still gave it) and the new method.
Here's where they give it on their site, and here's how the total works out.Psychotext said:
2006-12-31 1.66
2007-03-31 3.57
2007-06-30 4.28
2007-09-30 5.59
2007-12-31 10.49
2008-03-31 12.81
2008-06-30 14.37
Note that since they don't give an absolute total, these are summing up what they say quarterly/yearly, so it's just possible we'd get a differently rounded final digit, if anyone wants to fuss over 10K units.
SIP YEK NOD said:
PS3 matched 360 sales with its $599, $499 and now $399 price points... Unless you're thinking PS3 sales won't go up exponentially with a lower price... :lol
If it ever reached 40 vs 34, does it make a big difference? Fuck yes. Third party exclusives would be far more expensive. Software sales will be spread more equally etc. Context is more important than absolute leads.
Private Hoffman
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gofreak said:
From the quote above:
Basically, given the PS3s launch, the Xbox 360 started out with a 10 million headstart.
That 10 million lead has since evaporated to 6 million.
Psychotext
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Those figures are all using the new methodology right?JoshuaJSlone said:
JoshuaJSlone said:
That's pretty impressive acceleration (for PS3! considering how things looked this time last year!). Almost 1m/month avg.
It'd also answer my question about changes in absolute gap if we had the same figure for 360 on 30-06-2007. I'm guessing they were at about 14/15/16m then?
That'd mean the gap came down from a range of 10-12m, to 6-8, in 12 months...? Maybe someone could give more exact figures (I'm guessing based on Psychotext's + the claim that they'd sell through >10m by the end of 06).
But 6-8 would be a lot faster than, again, people might have thought by looking at isolated points on the line, or a single market, and all those "at this single month's rate it'll take xyz amount of time for PS3 to catch up". 6m in 12 months would be an avg catch up rate of 500k/month.
Psychotext
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Ok... taking purely sold figures from financial statements I have:
PS3: 14.41m
360: 14.40m
For the period between October 2006 to June 2008. Is that right? Seems wrong.
PS3: 14.41m
360: 14.40m
For the period between October 2006 to June 2008. Is that right? Seems wrong.
JoshuaJSlone said:
We discussed about this in the previous Sony report.
Sony announced at their Playstation Day in early May that PSP cumulative shipments at the end of December 2007 reached 34m units.
Those numbers have been definetly calculated with the new method since it was introduced in mid 2007 and sales after that have been calculated with the new method.
So if we add the Q4 and Q1 numbers released which are 3.42m and 3.72m we reach a total of 41.14m units shipped at the end of June 2008
The Innocent X
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This thread has descended into fantasy again pretty quickly.
The Innocent X said:
Shipment numbers does not paint an accurate picture of the current situation between the Xbox 360 sales and the PS3 sales.
From the figures posted on page 2 of the thread:
PS3 numbers sold
USA Total: 802,000
Japan Total: 203,059
Jpn + USA: 1,005,059
Xbox 360 numbers sold
USA Total: 594,400
Japan Total: 24,180
Jpn + USA: 618,580
As you can see, the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by a total of 386,479 units in just Japan and the US. If you were to add Europe where it tends to be a stronger market for Sony than in the US, those numbers could very well be higher.
Psychotext
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I wasn't. I was simply looking at what they're shipping now... and trying to see if the numbers are right.Elios83 said:
sakuragi said:
Nice.
I wonder why so many of us here are able to produce a more convincing and pleasing sales report on the PS3 than Sony ever could. Seriously, I was watching the E3 conference (although June NPD had not been released there yet; and June accounts for most of the difference) and didn't remember anything that informed me that the PS3 was doing this well. Sony, truly well a company where its right hand does not know where the left hand is. Or even where the right hand itself is :lol
Hmm, I'm really confused for LTD numbers to June 30 2007 for 360. PsychoText's numbers + end of year claims for 06 suggested something in the 14m+ range, but I read on wikipedia that they at one point, at least, revised down their forecast for LTD to that date to 12m..(in which case you'd be looking at gap-closing in the order of 2m in the last year, not 6m!). I'll try and find actual figures, if anyone has them handy it'd be appreciated
Private Hoffman
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gantz85 said:
I dunno. Sony had a very confident message during their E3 press conference, but they didn't outright boast about specific numbers.