Sony doubles Apr - Jun sales in 2008

gofreak said:
Hmm, I'm really confused for LTD numbers to June 30 2007 for 360. PsychoText's numbers + end of year claims for 06 suggested something in the 14m+ range, but I read on wikipedia that they at one point, at least, revised down their forecast for LTD to that date to 12m..(in which case you'd be looking at gap-closing in the order of 2m in the last year, not 6m!). I'll try and find actual figures, if anyone has them handy it'd be appreciated
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360 LTD shipments at the end of June 2007 were 11.6m.
A bit less than the 12m they were forecasting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/06/business/06soft.html


In fact this fiscal year they have sold 8.7m units, bringing the total to 20.3m.
 
gofreak said:
Hmm, I'm really confused for LTD numbers to June 30 2007 for 360. PsychoText's numbers + end of year claims for 06 suggested something in the 14m+ range, but I read on wikipedia that they at one point, at least, revised down their forecast for LTD to that date to 12m..(in which case you'd be looking at gap-closing in the order of 2m in the last year, not 6m!). I'll try and find actual figures, if anyone has them handy it'd be appreciated
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I'm not sure I like the sound of "Psychotext's Numbers"... they're from here:

Full Fiscal Year

EDD revenue increased primarily due to increased Xbox 360 platform sales. Xbox 360 platform and PC game revenue increased $1.7 billion or 41% as a result of increased Xbox 360 console sales, video game sales led by Halo 3, Xbox Live revenue, and Xbox 360 accessory sales. We shipped 8.7 million Xbox 360 consoles during fiscal year 2008, compared with 6.6 million consoles during fiscal year 2007.
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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080717/aqth524.html?.v=16
 
gofreak said:
If that's in reference to my post, please correct my figures. I'm looking at second hand figures and figures from news articles so it could all be very wrong! :lol If the figures I'm looking for are precisely available, I'd love to see them.
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I was referring to the sustainability of the bump. Japanese sales are back down to pre MGS numbers (only 10K a week ahead of 360), 360 will probably take the lead in NPD again in July with the price drop, but people still extrapolate forward from the quarter where people were waiting for a 360 price drop compared to a quarter where Sony had a 70 million dollar game and a new bundle.
 
Doubledex said:
?? The MGS4 bundle was sold out in... maybe 10 hours here. In Bayern / Baden Würtenberg it is sold out (in most of their towns). FOR MONTHS
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So they had bundles to sell? How could it've been sold out for months?

Maybe you meant "has been constantly selling out in short time over the last few months" or something along that line.

Like I said it's not the case here, dunno about the different bundles - I wasn't looking for anything, just browsing.
 
gofreak said:
That's pretty impressive acceleration (for PS3! considering how things looked this time last year!). Almost 1m/month avg.

It'd also answer my question about changes in absolute gap if we had the same figure for 360 on 30-06-2007. I'm guessing they were at about 14/15/16m then?
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At the end of 2007, the absolute gap between the amount shipped was 8.74 million, right now it is 5.92.
 
Concept17 said:
"SONY's gaming division made a profit of 51 million dollars for the quarter ending June 30th , 2008 "

Didn't see that mentioned.
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It's nice to see them back on track.
 
The Innocent X said:
I was referring to the sustainability of the bump. Japanese sales are back down to pre MGS numbers (only 10K a week ahead of 360), 360 will probably take the lead in NPD again in July with the price drop, but people still extrapolate forward from the quarter where people were waiting for a 360 price drop compared to a quarter where Sony had a 70 million dollar game and a new bundle.
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10k/week ahead of the 360 in Japan is still 40k per month, or 120k per quarter. This bump is magnified during holiday periods.

360 may or may not take the lead during the NPD in July with the price drop. It depends on how many MGS4 bundles Sony manages to ship. If they can supply a lot, then I would imagine the PS3 will easy take the lead during July NPD. There are apparent shortages of the 40 GB version until the new 80 GB arrives in September, during which time things should be a bit more settled (price drop of Xbox 360 20 GB consoles will be dried up, and hopefully Sony has shipped plentiful units of their 80 GB standard pack).

It'll be an interesting month, nonetheless.
 
Forsete said:
Just saw the increase in software sales on PS3. Holy shitnitz. :D
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Anyone got the sales figures for the Ps2 at this stage in its life cycle? How do they compare? I imagine its doing pretty similar as it had a (almost) a WW launch where the PS2 was much more spaced out at launch.
 
*Kaz laughing GIF*

Seriously, congrats to Sony for getting back on track. It's been a long road from $599 to now but it looks like they've gotten things under control now.
 
gofreak said:
That's pretty impressive acceleration (for PS3! considering how things looked this time last year!). Almost 1m/month avg.

It'd also answer my question about changes in absolute gap if we had the same figure for 360 on 30-06-2007. I'm guessing they were at about 14/15/16m then?

That'd mean the gap came down from a range of 10-12m, to 6-8, in 12 months...? Maybe someone could give more exact figures (I'm guessing based on Psychotext's + the claim that they'd sell through >10m by the end of 06).

But 6-8 would be a lot faster than, again, people might have thought by looking at isolated points on the line, or a single market, and all those "at this single month's rate it'll take xyz amount of time for PS3 to catch up". 6m in 12 months would be an avg catch up rate of 500k/month.
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I always find it hilarious when variations of this come up during the slowest periods of the year. Everything accelerates come October, November, December.
 
Sony Corp said on Tuesday it sold 1.56 million units of its PlayStation 3 game console in the April-June quarter, up from 700,000 units a year earlier.
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Wasnt it still $599 this time last year? When was the first drop?
 
I'm still reading through the thread so this might have been addressed, but the first page contained some napkin math on the breakthrough of US, European, and Japanese sales. This napkin math does not work.

Sony here is releasing shipped numbers. Their actual sales could be higher (selling through the vast majority of the shipment + selling through stock previously in the channel; this would happen if Sony undershipped), the same, or lower (selling only part of this shipment; this would happen if Sony overshipped).

All things being equal and looking at that number; I think it's probably fair to say that sellthrough would be equal to or higher than their shipment number (for example, Europe appears to be the size of US for PS3 sales until now, but these numbers suggest it's smaller based on known NPD data--and that's without including Canada, Australia, etc which would all "take away" from Europes size in these sorts of calculations and further, we are aware that Sony has a fairly large number of units in the channels from before this quarter), so I only mention it to note that these numbers aren't a very good way to calculate Europe's relative strength.
 
_leech_ said:
PS3 software outselling PS2 software? Now this is surprising...
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Out-shipping. That's not a surprise. Other than the more recent greatest hits games and the sporadic 2007 releases, what titles are still in print? Pretty much none.

On the other hand, at least half of the PS3's library is still in print or was in print during this fiscal year.
 
mr_bishiuk said:
Anyone got the sales figures for the Ps2 at this stage in its life cycle? How do they compare? I imagine its doing pretty similar as it had a (almost) a WW launch where the PS2 was much more spaced out at launch.
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Back then Sony was using "shipped to our own warehouses" rather than "shipped to retailers" which makes the numbers pretty incompatible. But here's what we get on the hardware side:
PS3_WW


It appears software shipments are split into old-method and new-method reporting as well, so early PS2 software shipments are available only in old method. At a similar time from initial Japanese launch, looks like they were between quarterly reports of a 50 million total and a 70 million total.
 
mr_bishiuk said:
I wish MS gave us more info instead of bundling it up with a bunch of other stuff under the "Entertainment and devices" division, I mean these are the most reliable figures you can get
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Yes - that way we can compare and congratulate/damn the winning/losing platform and draw many needless comparisons to fuel our fanboy war!

In related news - does the PSP have an amazing library in Japan!? WTF!?
 
Sony :D
 
The Innocent X said:
I was referring to the sustainability of the bump. Japanese sales are back down to pre MGS numbers (only 10K a week ahead of 360), 360 will probably take the lead in NPD again in July with the price drop, but people still extrapolate forward from the quarter where people were waiting for a 360 price drop compared to a quarter where Sony had a 70 million dollar game and a new bundle.
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You can't extrapolate from july HW sales at all. At this stage of the game, the majority of the sales are lumped into the holiday season anyways, MGS4 was just a nice bonus for an otherwise sluggish season.

If PS3 has a chance of catching up to 360 in overall install base, that will be evident after '08 holidays.
 
Fucking Nintendo fanboys always circle-jerking in those sales threads. Frankly, it's disgusting, and I don't thi.... wait, what?
 
commariodore64 said:
Yes - that way we can compare and congratulate/damn the winning/losing platform and draw many needless comparisons to fuel our fanboy war!

In related news - does the PSP have an amazing library in Japan!? WTF!?
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It has MHP2 which goes against the grain and sells gangbusters.

TheRagnCajun said:
You can't extrapolate from july HW sales at all. At this stage of the game, the majority of the sales are lumped into the holiday season anyways, MGS4 was just a nice bonus for an otherwise sluggish season.

If PS3 has a chance of catching up to 360 in overall install base, that will be evident after '08 holidays.
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This holidays is make or break in terms of PS3 overtaking the 360, I'm damn excited to see what happens. On the software side, I wanna see how COD:WAW is going to sell. COD4 sold 3.5:1 on the 360 compared to the PS3, during the launch week, and it's legs are better on the 360. This year the PS3 only closed the gap by 250k, so we should see a similar PS3:360 ratio. But now there's also the Wii, I'm guessing the it should outdo the PS3 by a bit, if COD3 is anything to go by. This is the most exciting part, the first true holiday for all three consoles, and the first time the Wii has a big budget third party game on it's system, even if it's just multiplatform. I think priorities are for the Wii will shift significantly if the Wii version does decent numbers.
 
Very good news to see Sony back in the land of profitability. We need competition in the marketplace for obvious reasons. And also good to see the absolute numbers of software sold going through the roof. That will ensure continuing developer support. Hopefully that momentum will continue through the holiday season and into '09.
 
nicholasphan said:
To conclude, Sony's Game Division looks like it's out of trouble for this generation.
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As long as the PS2 and PSP continue to prop up the costs of the PS3, yes. I can't imagine where they would be financially without those two still chugging along. Hell, if they could just get some software sales for the PSP, they'd be even better off.
 
PS3 losses look to be getting less substantial.

The losses on the PS3 need to continue to decrease as profits on PS2 hardware and sofrware continue to decline.

How long will it be when PS3 begins making a profit? I'm not talking profit overall as it's very unlikely that the PS3 will make a profit overall.
 
matmanx1 said:
Very good news to see Sony back in the land of profitability. We need competition in the marketplace for obvious reasons. And also good to see the absolute numbers of software sold going through the roof. That will ensure continuing developer support. Hopefully that momentum will continue through the holiday season and into '09.
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They posted a lost this quarter, but they expect to profit for fiscal year 09. So that's good news. It's funny MS and Sony is so determined to out-do each other so much, when the real enemy is the Wii. HD needs to stick together if they want fend off the Wii's domination. I think they both realise it's too late, and the best way to survive be the winning HD console. There's still a huge market for HD games. I think MS has the least to lose compared to the PS3, they basically stole the hardcore market from the PS3 with just being first to market and grabbing the early third party support. I don't ever see MS leaving the console market once they start making a profit. Their pockets is too deep to face any financial problems.
 
BishopLamont said:
This holidays is make or break in terms of PS3 overtaking the 360, I'm damn excited to see what happens. On the software side, I wanna see how COD:WAW is going to sell. COD4 sold 3.5:1 on the 360 compared to the PS3, during the launch week, and it's legs are better on the 360. This year the PS3 only closed the gap by 250k, so we should see a similar PS3:360 ratio. But now there's also the Wii, I'm guessing the it should outdo the PS3 by a bit, if COD3 is anything to go by. This is the most exciting part, the first true holiday for all three consoles, and the first time the Wii has a big budget third party game on it's system, even if it's just multiplatform. I think priorities are for the Wii will shift significantly if the Wii version does decent numbers.
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I'm really not expecting anything shocking in terms of CoD sales.

I'm really curious to see if bluray actually provides a substantial consumer incentive this holiday season, with HD DVD out of the way and all. Or maybe bluray is just dead weight on PS3, maybe the PS3 really was just a trojan horse for bluray. We'll find out this holiday I'm expecting.
 
Karma said:
LTD

PS3 14.38 Million
360 20.30 Million
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This would put them at closer to 6 million behind in shipments compared to the 360 unlike the 4 million Tretton tried to say just weeks ago.

$50 million in profit for the quarter is a good thing and hopefully they can maintain for the rest of the fiscal year.
 
The PS2 is profitable but declining in h/w and s/w sales. Sony seems to be trying to position it against the Wii.
PSP h/w sales are up, s/w is nothing worth writing home about.

Sony needs the PS3 to be profitable, I'm guessing they'll turn a profit off each of the new 80Gb units sold this fall ? The MGS4 bundle is sold at a profit as well I assume ?

They're not going to be able to use the PS2 to prop the PS3 up forever, it seems they're running out of time here.

The PS3 is going to have to stand on its own 2 legs soon if they're going to survive this gen.
 
I took 2 things from this thread:

1) Sony's game division is profitable again
2) Nobody here seems to be able to nail down exact numbers anymore
 
Phife Dawg said:
So they had bundles to sell? How could it've been sold out for months?

Maybe you meant "has been constantly selling out in short time over the last few months" or something along that line.

Like I said it's not the case here, dunno about the different bundles - I wasn't looking for anything, just browsing.
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MGS4 bundle was sold out the same the it was shipped.
All the normal PS3s (without game) are sold out, too.
NO PS3s here in Bayern/ BadenW.)
(Habe Kontakt zu mehreren Gebietsleitern hier, täglich. Alle PS3s sind ausverkauft. Das schon seit Monaten!! Die kleine Menge die SONY nachliefert, ist sofort ausverkauft. Laut SONY = Lieferschwierigkeiten, weil sie mit der großen Nachfrage nicht hinterherkommen)
 
KernelPanic said:
The PS2 is profitable but declining in h/w and s/w sales. Sony seems to be trying to position it against the Wii.
PSP h/w sales are up, s/w is nothing worth writing home about.

Sony needs the PS3 to be profitable, I'm guessing they'll turn a profit off each of the new 80Gb units sold this fall ? The MGS4 bundle is sold at a profit as well I assume ?

They're not going to be able to use the PS2 to prop the PS3 up forever, it seems they're running out of time here.

The PS3 is going to have to stand on its own 2 legs soon if they're going to survive this gen.
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They said the new models are expected to be profitable (65/65s with tiny new heatsink and smaller power suppl). And the current 40gb is almost there, a matter of a few dollars per unit. They said it in an interview about 1-2 months ago.

So the PS3 will shift into good profit starting this fall and combining with software and PSP, the whole division will be doing quite well. Unless we see a PS3 price drop which will offset the cost reduction again. Either way, Sony is doing well very soon into this generation.
Their tactic of keeping the PS2 for a few more years is brilliant, and I expect this is what they mean by the 10 year cycle, use the end of one cycle to overlap with the start of the new one, keeping relatively even losses/gains over a period of time.

And here in the US, bundles are all sold out, I have not seen one in weeks. There is a straggler 40giger here and there, but I expect they are moving production fully to the new core 80gb coming in a month or so.

Overall, sales are doing well, the industry overall is doing well.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see the PS3 surpass the 360 sooner than later, but it's gonna have to weather a heavy holiday storm from MS with Gears 2. Solid numbers from Sony, I'm glad the gaming division brought in a profit.
 
Parl said:
How long will it be when PS3 begins making a profit? I'm not talking profit overall as it's very unlikely that the PS3 will make a profit overall.
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I believe Sony stated they hoped it would happen this year.
 
tahrikmili said:
Reuters reports:



New on Reuters. Sorry if old on GAF :(

EDIT: Sorry for typo and missing PS3 in topic, can a mod fix it? Posting from work with people looking over your shoulder sucks.
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Sony doin better Kitton iz happy.
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Parl said:
PS3 losses look to be getting less substantial.

The losses on the PS3 need to continue to decrease as profits on PS2 hardware and sofrware continue to decline.

How long will it be when PS3 begins making a profit? I'm not talking profit overall as it's very unlikely that the PS3 will make a profit overall.
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Over what period? The life of the console/this generation? If you are saying that it is unlikely that the PS3 itself will never turn a profit then = :lol
 
Phife Dawg said:
Like I said it's not the case here, dunno about the different bundles - I wasn't looking for anything, just browsing.
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Well no one needs your anecdotal evidence when there are actual facts to consider:
Take for instance "Geizhals" (a regular price comparison site) and look up Playstation 3:
There are 67 entries, but only 4 are in stock.
 
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