pharmboy044
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What kind of information do you think we might get? PS4 shipment numbers?
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Sony FY12: $400M Net Income; PS3/PS2 16.5M; Vita/PSP 5M forecast
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What kind of information do you think we might get? PS4 shipment numbers?
And Microsoft, along with Amazon, are on the forefront of cloud computing with Azure, which has just joined their "billion dollar business club".
MS != just Windows and Office.
On topic, it's nice to see Sony finally make a profit after all these years. Although I do wonder what sort of effect the PS4 launch will have on them.
Japanese company, Japanese rules: getting the sku breakdown between psp and vita would raise zero eyebrows as it is is inconsequential.
but whatever, I gotta go.
Sony has an ADR listed on the NYSE, which makes them subject to Regulation FD, which prohibits companies from selectively disclosing material nonpublic information to analysts, institutional investors, and others without concurrently making widespread public disclosure.
Father_Brain
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If people want a tablet, they'll buy a tablet, not something with six buttons and two sticks.
dragonfart28
Banned
True.
We're now beginning to see the bigger financial picture for them in the next few years and it is critical that they make a profit or the whole thing could go under.
Japanese company, Japanese rules: getting the sku breakdown between psp and vita would raise zero eyebrows as it is is inconsequential.
but whatever, I gotta go.
How does it help investors that Sony shows detailed Nintendo sales but not their own?
They do?
And the PS2+PS3 and PSP+PSV is an obvious and shitty cover up practice, but they could probably lump all hardware sales together and investors wouldn't think much about it.
It's not like they offer detailed breakdown on TV models, phones or anything.
There's a big difference between Nintendo (only a gaming company) and Sony.
fluffydelusions
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No need to even go the tablet for those features anyway. Smarphones do all that already and a lot are right around the size of Vita even bigger (Note 2)
I'd rather have a tablet for that and looking at the sales figures millions of people do too.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
People used to say the same thing about tablets and phones and the two are nearly intertwined at this point.
I think its too late to save the Vita though, Sony dropped the ball. It should have been a tablet with an actual Android OS.
Bomb-Threat
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Just imagine if the Vita was a tablet instead and Sony offering remote play with PS3/PS4 games.
Lol, I would buy this happily as long as it had a pull out button area. Been thinking this for some time. First handheld and last tablet I would ever buy.
Actually just make a 7" gaming tablet with pull out buttons completely.
They show Wii/WiiU/NDS/3DS all on their own. Only Sony products are getting merged together in Sony´s sales report.
Edit:
My bad, should have read more carefully. Thank you.
zomgbbqftw
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That's not a part of Sony's report. It's a NeoGAF thread. Parmenides compiles the shipment information and puts it in all the quarterly sales threads he makes for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.
Or find a way to create Xperia Play 2 with Vita hardware inside.
H_Prestige
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Their Xperia strategy makes no sense. Release the best smartphone on the market and make sure nobody in the US even knows about it. Smart thinking Sony.
If a company like HTC can generate so much interest in the US, then Sony has no excuse.
If a company like HTC can generate so much interest in the US, then Sony has no excuse.
MeBecomingI
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Such an absolutely shame that the Vita is effectively dead. They seem to have no confidence in the platform and seem to have nothing planned to generate interest and improve sales. I'd be surprised if they can even afford to cut the price of the Vita and start pumping software resources into it... those numbers piss me off.
The smartphone strategy is so terribly stupid. The Xperia Z should've been marketed like crazy in the U.S and Sony should've done everything they could've to get carriers to pick up and push it. They make an incredible phone and then make comments that sound like a tacit admission that they have no confidence in their phones doing anything in the U.S market, so they end up leaving a massive market to eat up other phones (HTC One for example) and establish the HTC brand more than Sony themselves is a bad move.
These results look decent to me, but there is a lot more to be done. SMC still seems like it is in shambles with them not willing to do anything with the U.S market and the odd way they continue to confuse the market with so many phones. The gaming division looks like okay with the PS3 doing decent, but that is marred by the terrible Vita numbers. PS4 should hopefully improve the situation, assuming they can launch on time.
Those Vita numbers... wow.
The smartphone strategy is so terribly stupid. The Xperia Z should've been marketed like crazy in the U.S and Sony should've done everything they could've to get carriers to pick up and push it. They make an incredible phone and then make comments that sound like a tacit admission that they have no confidence in their phones doing anything in the U.S market, so they end up leaving a massive market to eat up other phones (HTC One for example) and establish the HTC brand more than Sony themselves is a bad move.
These results look decent to me, but there is a lot more to be done. SMC still seems like it is in shambles with them not willing to do anything with the U.S market and the odd way they continue to confuse the market with so many phones. The gaming division looks like okay with the PS3 doing decent, but that is marred by the terrible Vita numbers. PS4 should hopefully improve the situation, assuming they can launch on time.
Those Vita numbers... wow.
if the vita dies off this year, then sony's strategy all along might have been to just release something only so it could die, and they could exit out of the market by stating the market was dead instead of ceding defeat to nintendo or whatever.
Aquamarine
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By "dies off," do you mean Sony dramatically scaling back on shipments, advertising, or new releases? Maybe a combination of the three?
I posted this in the MC thread, but I think it fits here more. This is what I think Sony's strategy with the Vita is.
You know, I remember someone from Sony saying they are glad the 3DS is doing well because it shows there is a market for handhelds.
You know, I remember someone from Sony saying they are glad the 3DS is doing well because it shows there is a market for handhelds.
Father_Brain
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If they had any plans, they would have aimed their forecast higher.
What that 5M figure suggests is a case of WISYWYG: Sony intends to release the games that have been announced for FY13 thus far, presumably with some token marketing, and let them and the hardware sell whatever they're going to sell. There isn't likely to be any kind of major software or marketing push this FY, and possibly not even a price cut in NA/Europe.
Again, Kaz is slowly turning this ship around. Even taking away the buildings, at least it's not a further decline from last years worst ever results. Will probably take several more years to fully sort this company out. If the Yen stays weak, it's looking good for a recovery I think.
-Pyromaniac-
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Pretty good. They have their biggest stuff coming up though. They have to execute on that new One Sony branding or whatever that is. I think they have an upcoming phone that will be the first under that brand.
Then they have the launch of the PS4. The rest of this year and next is huge.
Then they have the launch of the PS4. The rest of this year and next is huge.
This is pretty much a de ja vu of Kaz one year after coming up with PS3 Slim. He seems pretty damn competent (well apart from the Vita, since that IS his baby, but House must get the share of blame here as well).
The one thing Kaz has to do though is sort out Sony America in each division.
The one thing Kaz has to do though is sort out Sony America in each division.
Wow, with how they have treated it, this almost wouldnt surprise me...
They still intend to sell PS2 until Divali in India (November), so another three quarters after this report. As they already know remaining production shipments it could be possible that they decided to book all of those in this FY, which would explain no PS2 forecasts for next FY and high PS2/3 shipments for the previous quarter. That's purely my speculation though
Lol you're such full of BS, if it were 1m ahead of 360 that would mean it had it's BEST FY ever, despite sales being down in Europe, US, Japan (all confirmed with numbers) and presumably elsewhere.
You fanboyism completely misguides you.
It's likely very close but given they're down yoy in all those territories I don't see how they matched last years 13.9m? Can you explain that?
Yea they design one of the most advanced, full featured handheld on the market and expected it sell 16 M first year to die. : / Anywho, could a new remodel be the cause of the low forecast? Or maybe are they purposefully aiming low to beat expectations?
Metalmurphy
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Glorified G
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Pot, meet kettle.
Not at all, how is anything I said wrong? You think Sony shipped/sold more last year than the year before?
Tallshortman
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lol no it's you calling anyone else a fanboy when you're one of the staunchest MS defenders on GAF. Please write me a essay topic in your defense, I would like your numbers as well. Thanks.
Not this again...
Considering you felt so strongly about wrong numbers between Sony and MS that you made a thread about it, I'd say you are firmly entrenched in the MS camp and have no right to call anyone else out.
Principate
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Technically the two aren't exclusive. Hell the fact that someone is the thing in question makes it easier to point it out in others.