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[reinking]

People rooting for this should take a look at the number of reskinned games being sold in the mobile space. It is terrible for the market. It is Sony though so fuck 'em. Right? Go Tencent Go.

 

[Astray]

FWIW patent suits are stronger and easier to prove which is why Nintendo didn't include copyright stuff

Easier to prove, which is why Nintendo is having to amend said patents DURING the lawsuit.

Because killshot evidence definitely needs to be reworked during active litigation huh?

 

[winjer]

 

[Kacho]

@adamsapple Kacho And c'mon, we all know each other. You must know I don't seriously type like that most of the time.

I was just busting your balls

 

[FeralEcho]

Yep, as I said, shallow similarities. Where exactly do you think both Bloodborne and The Duskbloods take their inspirations, aesthetic-wise, from?
Call me when The Duskbloods has its own equivalent to this:

I already called you. All I got was "the number you have called is disingenuous and not answering,please try again later"

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

at least read the lawsuit before you type stupid stuff like this

it's not just durr robot

I read it, did you? it is pretty much is robot dinosaurs, with a few other visual things. they're not claiming any patent infringement, just on the way things look

Easier to prove, which is why Nintendo is having to amend said patents DURING the lawsuit.

Because killshot evidence definitely needs to be reworked during active litigation huh?

did you read the courts finding regarding amending it? spoiler: the fact that a court granted the modification, in itself, means it wasn't unfairly prejudicial and instead appropriate.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Modern SIE to Namco-Bandai: Hey you wanna license our old IP for pocket change to release on PC, Switch and maybe Xbox? Here go right ahead!

Modern SIE to Tencent: Hey you wanna pay us a shitton of money to license the Horizon IP in a GAAS so we don't waste our own internal studio bandwidth on it? Are you on crack!? You retarded!? GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE!!

Can't really lay blame on Tencent here. They outright offered to license, SIE had a MS Moment (you remember, when MS declined the Spiderman IP offer from Marvel), and now they're getting outplayed by a Chinese copycat in the one market they want to grow in over all others.

Also bittersweet irony them in calling Tencent's game a ripoff, when they're backing Palworld's dev with a partnership & startup and that game likely ripped models straight out of Pokemon games. Even if it didn't, the similarities with Pokemon are high but that isn't stopping SIE is it? As long as they can profit amirite? Oh but wait Tencent directly made an offer for official license and SIE turned them down!



In a way this is probably karma for Palworld.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

do we know this? If this is true, I predict that this is gonna be a colossal failure.

There have been no news of cancellation so I presume the project is still ongoing. It would be a funny situation if the knock-off ended up being more sucessful than the original.

No kidding, if the actual Horizon MMO is still years from releasing, I'd cancel it and use this one as official. Change the name and a few things and that's it. This mess will do no good.

 

[Alexios]

Sony invented forests and Tencent is ripping them off! It's in the lawsuit so it must be true! Just like steam user/journo quotes! Characters crouch, slash, stab, smash, shoot stuff! So unique identity never seen before!

And showing a mount (one more dog like the other more horse like anyway) so like the Palworld "evidence" being that you can mount the mons, lol, it's all shit games have done before and the similarities being just that they incorporate robotic designs on top of nature, which was done before.

Or picking some little armor bits that also don't look like anything special on their own, the clothes look more like the stuff seen in Monster Hunter with a tech twist than anything off Horizon but when you have tons of armor bits some will look more similar, it's all made as human clothing/armor.

 

[nial]

I already called you. All I got was "the number you have called is disingenuous and not answering,please try again later"

I already answered you, sweetie.

 

[Danjin44]

The only meltdowns in this thread are you quickly trying to come to the defence of Sony on every negative post about them.

Ah yes,barely any similarities about Duskbloods and Bloodborne, that's why half the internet was thinking it was an indirect sequel to BB in the same vein as DS to DeS:

Look at all these "shallow" similarities:

Now who's the one being disingenuous about it?

Keep doing what you're doing though! Everyone on GAF already knows exactly what it is...

???? Duskbloods and Bloodborne both made by same devs yes they gonna share similarities same way Catherine was similar to Persona.

 

[diffusionx]

I read it, did you? it is pretty much is robot dinosaurs, with a few other visual things. they're not claiming any patent infringement, just on the way things look

Yes, the way things look is the point. Same reason you can't make a can of soup that looks exactly like a Campbell's and pass it off as your own.

The only meltdowns in this thread are you quickly trying to come to the defence of Sony on every negative post about them.

I don't understand posts like this. Maybe a lawsuit will be filed over Duskbloods. but it's a separate thing from this.

 

[Mr Moose]

???? Duskbloods and Bloodborne both made by same devs yes they gonna share similarities same way Catherine was similar to Persona.

Both have blood in the name, COPYRIGHT!

 

[reinking]

Can't really lay blame on Tencent here. They outright offered to license, SIE had a MS Moment (you remember, when MS declined the Spiderman IP offer from Marvel), and now they're getting outplayed by a Chinese copycat in the one market they want to grow in over all others.

Am I reading this right? Sony refused a license so you think that gives Tencent the right to just copycat their IP?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Yes, the way things look is the point. Same reason you can't make a can of soup that looks exactly like a Campbell's and pass it off as your own.

actually, you really can. there are a tons of exceptions, take for example parody.

I could make a can of soup that looks like with a joke logo or some bullshit and pass it of as my own if I claim it is a parody

there are other exceptions as well. it is exceptionally hard to prevail on copyright cases

 

[nial]

Modern SIE to Namco-Bandai: Hey you wanna license our old IP for pocket change to release on PC, Switch and maybe Xbox? Here go right ahead!

Modern SIE to Tencent: Hey you wanna pay us a shitton of money to license the Horizon IP in a GAAS so we don't waste our own internal studio bandwidth on it? Are you on crack!? You retarded!? GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE!!

Can't really lay blame on Tencent here. They outright offered to license, SIE had a MS Moment (you remember, when MS declined the Spiderman IP offer from Marvel), and now they're getting outplayed by a Chinese copycat in the one market they want to grow in over all others.}

The fuck is this reasoning, lmao. Tencent has no blame because they got rejected...?

Also bittersweet irony them in calling Tencent's game a ripoff, when they're backing Palworld's dev with a partnership & startup and that game likely ripped models straight out of Pokemon games. Even if it didn't, the similarities with Pokemon are high but that isn't stopping SIE is it? As long as they can profit amirite? Oh but wait Tencent directly made an offer for official license and SIE turned them down!

SIE is not doing that, you already knew it.

Let me guess, the job hiring broke you, right?

 

[Danjin44]

Both have blood in the name, COPYRIGHT!

I guess they should try sue themselves.

 

[diffusionx]

actually, you really can. there are a tons of exceptions, take for example parody.

I could make a can of soup that looks like with a joke logo or some bullshit and pass it of as my own if I claim it is a parody

there are other exceptions as well. it is exceptionally hard to prevail on copyright cases

Nobody is talking about parody here. This is clearly not a Horizon parody game.

 

[FeralEcho]

Yes, the way things look is the point. Same reason you can't make a can of soup that looks exactly like a Campbell's and pass it off as your own.


I don't understand posts like this. Maybe a lawsuit will be filed over Duskbloods. but it's a separate thing from this.

Read my entire post discussion with him to understand why I brought Duskbloods into discussion.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Nobody is talking about parody here. This is clearly not a Horizon parody game.

I used a single example to disprove what you are saying, as you really have no idea what you are talking about

or maybe I'm wrong. explain to me what exactly the suit is about if the meat and potatoes IS NOT about robot dinosaurs?

we apparently read the same complaint, so I'm all ears

 

[FeralEcho]

I guess they should try sue themselves.

That's funny but Sony own Bloodborne so unless From owns Sony they can't.

 

[Esppiral]

The main protagonist doesn't have a fat in her face, I don't see the similarities

 

[Mr Moose]

That's funny but Sony own Bloodborne so unless From owns Sony they can't.

Sony owns 14.09% of From.
(Tencent owns 16.25% of From).

 

[Astray]

did you read the courts finding regarding amending it? spoiler: the fact that a court granted the modification, in itself, means it wasn't unfairly prejudicial and instead appropriate.

Link please.

I used a single example to disprove what you are saying, as you really have no idea what you are talking about

or maybe I'm wrong. explain to me what exactly the suit is about if the meat and potatoes IS NOT about robot dinosaurs?

we apparently read the same complaint, so I'm all ears

Dude Tencent literally came to try and license the IP, got rejected, then ripped it off extremely openly.

It's not the same case at all and I have no idea why you're trying to make them the same.

 

[Danjin44]

That's funny but Sony own Bloodborne so unless From owns Sony they can't.

Demons Souls IP own by Sony but that didn't stop FromSoftware from making Dark Souls.

 

[FeralEcho]

Demons Souls IP own by Sony but that didn't stop FromSoftware from making Dark Souls.

Which was my main point as to why Sony is hypocritical about this whole thing and how Nial is adamant on ignoring that fact for the sake of defending a company that doesn't give two shits he exists. Maybe read the entire post before coming here to joke about shit without understanding the context.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Link please.

Dude Tencent literally came to try and license the IP, got rejected, then ripped it off extremely openly.

It's not the same case at all and I have no idea why you're trying to make them the same.

you can pull the patents here:

https://www.jpo.go.jp/e/

you also quoted me where I am arguing about the suit being about robot dinosaurs. I'm a bit confused - are you also arguing you don't think that is what the Sony case is about?

I think some of you are confused as to what is happening

Nintendo has a patent suit, Sony is focusing on copyright, arguing the robot dinosaurs mostly.

 

[nial]

Which was my main point as to why Sony is hypocritical about this whole thing and how Nial is adamant on ignoring that fact for the sake of defending a company that doesn't give two shits he exists. Maybe read the entire post before coming here to joke about shit without understanding the context.

And Dark Souls was still nowhere near as blatant as Light of Motiram!

 

[larrybrady]

I did but to my defense I didn't even know they made corporate boot licking meds. You must share some of your prescription with me sometime.

Lighten up,you don't have to reply to every single negative comment someone makes regarding Sony.

You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that what I said about Sony being hypocritical about this whole thing after Palworld isn't true.

As far as I'm concerned both Sony and Nintendo can fuck off with claims like these regardless of how similar they look as long as there's no direct code being copied especially when they have the audacity to sell the thousands of AI slop 1 minute games that permiate both the Ps Store and E shop.

Where do we draw the line? Should Rocksteady sue Insomniac for copying their Arkham Freeflow combat into Spiderman? Should Ubisoft sue every open world game with towers since Assassin's Creed? Or is it only art related? Only if two things look the same? From Software should sue Lies of P dev? Polyphony should sue every other racing sim out there for having the nerve to include cars in their game! Where do we draw the line?

Do these chinese games look similar to Horizon and Pokemon? YEAH they do,they clearly wear their inspiration on their sleeves to a ridiculous extent yet they play nothing alike which is more than I can say about some of those games I enumerated earlier that weren't targeted by suits.

So again I ask: Where do we draw the line?

Agree with a lot of this,though I wanna say,and i could be wrong,but didn't sony start that free flowing fighting concept,the building blocks to it anyways,or am I thinking if someone else's game(shenmue maybe?)..their baseball mlb show team did a game a few lifetimes ago called the mark of cry or some shit like that,and I think it kick started this type of combat… sorry to side track,but this all came back to me once I saw the words free flowing combat…

 

[diffusionx]

I used a single example to disprove what you are saying, as you really have no idea what you are talking about

or maybe I'm wrong. explain to me what exactly the suit is about if the meat and potatoes IS NOT about robot dinosaurs?

we apparently read the same complaint, so I'm all ears

The document explains what the suit is about. Actually just the introduction does. That Tencent is infringing on Horizon in such a blatant way that people can be confused into thinking they are making a Horizon game, and as such it will damage Sony's property. The rest of the document are examples of the copying that go way beyond just robot dinosaurs.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Also, I'm not necessarily saying SIE don't have a case, because visually these two games look hella similar. The Tencent game, you'd think was an official spinoff, that's how close it looks visually.

But this type of copycat stuff is kind of part and parcel in China, did SIE not think this would happen when they started to try pushing into the Chinese market? They can probably get an injunction or whatever to block release of the Tencent game in some markets unless significant changes are made, but it won't do jack shit for them in China. They'll have to pray and get in Tencent's good graces somehow to get a change in the aesthetic there...

...or maybe, and this is possibly a revolutionary idea but hear me out...how about SIE uses their brain and lend the Horizon IP license to Tencent, y'know like how Tencent approached with the offer first time around before SIE stupidly rejected it?

 

[FeralEcho]

Agree with a lot of this,though I wanna say,and i could be wrong,but didn't sony start that free flowing fighting concept,the building blocks to it anyways,or am I thinking if someone else's game(shenmue maybe?)..their baseball mlb show team did a game a few lifetimes ago called the mark of cry or some shit like that,and I think it kick started this type of combat… sorry to side track,but this all came back to me once I saw the words free flowing combat…

I don't know about MLB but the one game I know Arkham took inspiration from for its combat was the PS2 Jet Li game which was the precursor to that style of combat.

 

[nial]

...or maybe, and this is possibly a revolutionary idea but hear me out...how about SIE uses their brain and lend the Horizon IP license to Tencent, y'know like how Tencent approached with the offer first time around before SIE stupidly rejected it?

There's a similar game in development at NCSoft, that would be a revolutionary dumb idea.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

The rest of the document are examples of the copying that go way beyond just robot dinosaurs.

it doesn't though. this implies that robot dinosaurs are just a small piece of it.

what examples do you think make a stronger case here than robot dinosaurs?

What did Tencent allegedly steal that is even worse than robot dinosaurs?

 

[FeralEcho]

And Dark Souls was still nowhere near as blatant as Light of Motiram!

Nowhere near but It must've been as "shallow" as the Duskbloods and Bloodborne similarities though right? Almost but not quite I bet...

 

[FMX]

They probably made their game for half what Sony paid!! 1

 

[Skifi28]

Even assuming Sony "wins" all they'll probably get is Tencent changing the hair color from red to black in the promotional material or something trivial along these lines to differentiate the games enough. I don't see how this is worth the amount of time and money being poured, they can't really cancel the game so what does Sony really get out of this? Is it just a show of force?

 

[Danjin44]

Which was my main point as to why Sony is hypocritical about this whole thing and how Nial is adamant on ignoring that fact for the sake of defending a company that doesn't give two shits he exists. Maybe read the entire post before coming here to joke about shit without understanding the context.

It just not the same thing, Duskblood and Bloodborne made by same devs so naturally they gonna share similarities……Sony are not THAT stupid to sue FROM over that.

Tencent actively copied a game by different developers….I don't know your comparison doesn't make sense.

 

[Yoboman]

Some of the leaps of logic in here are amazing

My favourite is Sony rejected them so it's fair game

If I'm running Tencent I'm gonna go ask Rockstar to license GTA, Nintendo to license Mario and Xbox to license Halo too

 

[Sephiran]

Sony is suing Tencent while at the same time wanting to expand their gaming presence sales in China. Do they realize how big Tencent's influence is in China? They can get Sony out of the Chinese gaming market in a second if they wanted, and all that sweet gacha gaming money is gone for Sony.

 

[March Climber]

nial This thread might be in the top 20 in terms of comedy on GAF.

The super serious posts make it even better. Haven't laughed like this on the forum in a while.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Sony is suing Tencent while at the same time wanting to expand their gaming presence sales in China. Do they realize how big Tencent's influence is in China? They can get Sony out of the Chinese gaming market in a second if they wanted, and all that sweet gacha gaming money is gone for Sony.

Sony going after Tencent is a horrible idea for a variety of reasons

I'm pretty much a self-admitted xenophobe who hates China and even I know this is a horrible idea for Sony

 

[Gamer79]

This is what happens when large corporations take over gaming.

 

[MSduderino]

This is different than Nintendo Vs Palworld because it involves copyright, not patents. It seems like more of a ripoff (because it is) but patent and copyright law are very different and how they are enforced will determine these outcomes. As I collect VHS tapes said, Nintendo is more likely to win theirs and Sony to lose this one.

 

[nial]

Nowhere near but It must've been as "shallow" as the Duskbloods and Bloodborne similarities though right? Almost but not quite I bet...

Perphaps, unless you somehow think that Sony could have a case over similarly-implemented Gothic principles of architecture.

 

[diffusionx]

it doesn't though. this implies that robot dinosaurs are just a small piece of it.

what examples do you think make a stronger case here than robot dinosaurs?

What did Tencent allegedly steal that is even worse than robot dinosaurs?

dude, what the fuck is your problem, read the lawsuit. Maybe you missed the many pages where they talk about the similarities in story, lore, map design, character design, mechanics, logo & font, marketing campaign, etc., but it's all in there.

Even the part on the machines, you are being highly disingenuous. It's not just the robot dinosaur but the designs that are extremely similar.

I refuse to believe you are actually this dumb and for some reason are just deciding to act so for some reason.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Even assuming Sony "wins" all they'll probably get is Tencent changing the hair color from red to black in the promotional material or something trivial along these lines to differentiate the games enough. I don't see how this is worth the amount of time and money being poured, they can't really cancel the game so what does Sony really get out of this? Is it just a show of force?

If this one turns out any good, the other Horizon MMO will be DOA.

It's so fucking predictable, I can see the guy with girlfriend meme already.

 

[FeralEcho]

It just not the same thing, Duskblood and Bloodborne made by same devs so naturally they gonna share similarities……Sony are not THAT stupid to sue FROM over that.

Tencent actively copied a game by different developers….I don't know your comparison doesn't make sense.

So you do ADMIT they share similarities and that Sony doesn't sue them because they would be stupid to do so? Which I agree and my point was that Sony is hypocritical in doing this. It has nothing to do whether they should sue or not and more with the fact of why now?

They endorsed Palworld so they had no problem with that,They endorsed Dark Souls after being a direct copy of Demon's Souls so no problem with that,no problem with Duskbloods,an exclusive on a competitor platform that shares countless direct similarities to one of their most acclaimed games... Yet a Horizon clone? Fuck that, that's where we draw the line!

My whole point was to showcase Sony's hypocrisy in all this!

 

[Elginer]

I mean...

Goddamn that's like Destiny fucked Horizon

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

Any service game that loses the US market is basically DOA.

I disagree here, but time will tell.
I think China will out perform "traditional publishers" in terms of revenue in the next 2 to 4 years.

They have the freedom to create the content, they have the talent, and they have the drive...they also have the resources since they can make titles at a fraction of the cost we do.

I hope I am wrong, but this one looks like an easy on to call based on their trajectory in mobile and pc gaming from the last few years.