GHG
Gold Member
Yeah Cerny said we needed >5.5GB/s ones, and it seems Sony have backtracked on this requirement. I wonder what could be the reasons now?
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Sony open up M2 SSD port to beta testers of system software
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Yeah Cerny said we needed >5.5GB/s ones, and it seems Sony have backtracked on this requirement. I wonder what could be the reasons now?
You will need >5.5GBs if you want the same performance as the internal
Figured this would have been obvious.
Riky
$MSFT
I'll think I'll wait until we see some real world testing from DF etc, looks like a minefield to me.
Ramz87
Member
More info: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/
Also, 3D audio has been enabled for TVs.
Also, 3D audio has been enabled for TVs.
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TrebleShot
Member
Interesting, 3D audio on TV is huge, next surround set ups?
cormack12
Gold Member
I think I'd still prefer a sticker on drives or not that clearly marks them as being 'certified' or whatever. The little clause at the end makes me worry, I guess I can let others be beta testers on reddit etc. first though. I'm really curious as to whether it will be a case of the drive works with all, or the drive works with some games but not others. That has potential to get a little spicy if so.
Anyway, I won't need one for a while atm so I'm good.
Anyway, I won't need one for a while atm so I'm good.
Portugeezer
Member
Venuspower
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Good catch. I was filtering in Newegg just on advertised peak speed. Sony will definitely need to publish a list of SSDs that have been tested before this comes out of beta.
FranXico
Member
It says "minimum" in the FAQ.Yeah Cerny said we needed >5.5GB/s ones, and it seems Sony have backtracked on this requirement. I wonder what could be the reasons now?
Portugeezer
Member
Sony probably does this because the vast majority of games will be third party/multiplatform. At worst you'd be able to play most games off the m2 drive and have to use the internal drive for some PS5 first party games.
MaKTaiL
Member
Well, that's pretty obvious.
oldergamer
Member
We know the reasons. You know the reasons. Why be coy about it lol.Yeah Cerny said we needed >5.5GB/s ones, and it seems Sony have backtracked on this requirement. I wonder what could be the reasons now?
kyliethicc
Member
This WD SN850 (without/with heatsink) will fit inside just fine. 7 GB/s read.
$120/$140 for 500 GB
$200/$250 for 1TB
$400/$430 for 2TB
5 year warranty.
Can always just add a 3rd party heatsink for $10 off Amazon if buying the naked model.
Seems like the best option.
shop.westerndigital.com
$120/$140 for 500 GB
$200/$250 for 1TB
$400/$430 for 2TB
5 year warranty.
Can always just add a 3rd party heatsink for $10 off Amazon if buying the naked model.
Seems like the best option.
WD_BLACK™ SN850 NVMe™ SSD PCIe® Gen4 for PC or Laptop | Western Digital | Western Digital Store
Long load times are obsolete with next-gen PCIe® Gen4 technology. Arm your system with RGB lighting, an optional heatsink model, and up to 2TB1 capacity.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
People that expect fake 3D audio to be a big thing are just setting themselves up for disappointment. From shitty TV speakers it's got no chance of being even remotely believable.
On the SSDs, doing a beta of this is so incredibly weird. The console has been out for like 8 months, how have Sony themselves not tested it enough? Also the minimum required speed is a lot lower than some were told was absolutely necessary to run some PS games.
PaintTinJr
Member
Yeah, but him being a technical guy with a history of under-promising and over delivering, he was likely - in all fairness - giving the worst case scenario.
The over provisioning for the ( PS5) OS as happens early in all gens - with ram and CPU reservation, and now 100GB storage it steals - provides a mechanism by which bandwidth and latency hiding can be invisibly achieved for the nvme expansion drives that are slower than the raw speed of the internal drive.
At the time of reveal, they probably hoped that faster/bigger nvme drives at lower costs would have followed a similar trend as before - in the PS3 gen when they started with 60gb HDD or less - which isn't happening now. leading them to remove any requirement for a working internal drive in the PS5 to help out, and being able to lower the OS provision heavily by the end of the generation.
The pandemic disrupting everything with rising costs - and slowing faster drive releasing sooner - probably meant that they are more worried about losing digital sales from PSN because of everyone's storage fully rammed - because of games like CoD - and have opted for a more complicated, less ideal solution needing a working internal nvme cache + external SSDs, to let users properly expand their storage for PS5 games now, with what is available/affordable.
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Vognerful
Member
Saved money?
REDRZA MWS
Member
The extra storage finally coming to fruition is great. What I’m really waiting for more than anything is VRR and 1440p support.
MaKTaiL
Member
Most likely PCie3
I'm kinda insulted for not being invited to the Beta. I signed up right when the registration opened. Oh well...
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
They've probably tested it extensively on their end, but like with anything else you're testing you're not going to find all the issues on your own. That's why beta's exist.
Don't know why we're still entertaining this idea that PS5 games were ever not going to run on speeds slower than the internal drive. A few delusional people thought this was the case and that's it.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I'm not insulted.. I'm kind bothered. I've owned every Playstation ever at launch including portables, play on it with the same username since PS2 days when there was no PSN but there was the "Underground" and never get any emails for promotions, PSN credits, or anything and I've signed up for everything they offer everywhere. Maybe they know I also have owned every XBOX system as well. Oh well, fact is, at some point, I'll be able to use an M.2 drive in the system.
Anywho, anyone know what the best heatsink for the WD SN850 would be?
I know this one would work, but.. is it the best that would fit in the system and be compatible with the drive?
ManaByte
Banned
Not sure about that. If you look at Sony's instructions they seem to require a larger heatsink than that. Top and bottom based on their images.This WD SN850 with heatsink will fit inside just fine. 7 GB/s read.
$140 for 500 GB
$250 for 1TB
$430 for 2TB
5 year warranty.
Seems like the best option.
WD_BLACK™ SN850 NVMe™ SSD PCIe® Gen4 for PC or Laptop | Western Digital | Western Digital Store
Long load times are obsolete with next-gen PCIe® Gen4 technology. Arm your system with RGB lighting, an optional heatsink model, and up to 2TB1 capacity.
TheGodfather07
Member
Is RE Village really under 30gb in size?
MaKTaiL
Member
Don't worry about heatsink sizes. I bet the SSD will work just fine without it. Any heatsink will do a great job.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That's great. If I happen to be in the program, I will order a 2tb Samsung.
ManaByte
Banned
More worried about the heat in the system. Sony made those heatsink specifications that detailed for a reason.
Shifty1897
Member
They definitely ran into issues getting this working, which is why it's a year late and there's a disclaimer that it may not perform as well as the internal SSD, regardless of the speed of the external drive.
I'd like to see something that takes advantage of the SSD like Ratchet run on the M.2 slot and compare performance.
I'd like to see something that takes advantage of the SSD like Ratchet run on the M.2 slot and compare performance.
SkylineRKR
Member
27.4gb on PS5.
megreotsugua
Banned
1st party games = internal storage
3rd party games = m2 ssd storage
I expect only first party games (and 2nd party) to really take advantage of the speed of the ssd with their game design.
megreotsugua
Banned
I think you are right. It will be a separate unit.
Good that Sony is finally opening this up. Will be interested in seeing what's actually supported and how they work.
Nvme ain't cheap but these should go down in price sooner than the Xbox Seagate drive... Though with chip shortages and all that it may take a while still.
Hope someone can test Ratchet and Clank on a low end pcie4 nvme that the PS5 accepts and see how it operates lol
Nvme ain't cheap but these should go down in price sooner than the Xbox Seagate drive... Though with chip shortages and all that it may take a while still.
Hope someone can test Ratchet and Clank on a low end pcie4 nvme that the PS5 accepts and see how it operates lol
kyliethicc
Member
Those are the MAXIMUM sizes of drive + heatsink that can fit inside the bay lol.. not minimums. Smaller is fine.
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Blond
Banned
Isn’t that more of a Windows thing anyway?
kyliethicc
Member
They literally confirm that is how it will work.
In the PS5 Storage settings there will be 3 separate storage install locations.
- Console Storage
- M.2 SSD Storage
- USB Extended Storage
Each can be used separately and games can be installed directly to any of these locations.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I know, the document is stating what the requirements are. People rushed and jumped on the “must be >= 7 GB/s” conclusion and some used it to troll and get people riled up back and forth which was quite disingenuous.
I know what Sony said and why it makes sense we need a bit more than 5.5 GB/s from an off the shelves SSD. What they stated in this support document is interesting though still.
rickybooby87
Member
Finally, I can install COD.
All jokes aside, this is one more talking point that is being taken away from the usual suspects, now I just need to slap a 4TB SSD in this thing and call it a day.
All jokes aside, this is one more talking point that is being taken away from the usual suspects, now I just need to slap a 4TB SSD in this thing and call it a day.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
He said a little bit over 5.5 GB/s and people said “must be 7 GB/s then” which is quite a lot more than “a bit”Yeah Cerny said we needed >5.5GB/s ones, and it seems Sony have backtracked on this requirement. I wonder what could be the reasons now?
.The 7 GB/s figure was used as an example of why we should not be worried about drives that match or exceed the 5.5 GB/s speed requirement as NVMe PCI-E 4.0 drives can match 7+ GB/s of sequential read speed.
Topher
Identifies as young
Where are they stating minimum size? I only see where they state the maximum size.
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kyliethicc
already addressed. disregard
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nowhat
Gold Member
I think those are just max sizes.
Mr Moose
Member
Loading shit.
They recommend 5.5 but higher is preferred.
Lots of games that are out now don't take advantage of the SSD/IO, a shame but it is what it is. I don't think those games will load any differently.
Uninformed opinion here would suggest it's largely likely to be loading and pop in, right? I think the worse case pcie4x4 drive I can find is rated a peak 3.8gb.
reinking
Gold Member
Why would this be a negative? It allows more compatibility for drives.
ethomaz
Banned
They do warn about 5.5Gb/s or more speeds not delivering the same results than internal.
GuinGuin
Banned
Stuttering while loading assets might also be an issue