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[vaibhavpisal]

Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Banaza are coming out this year. Oblivion Remastered also came out from XGS.

Avowed is a mid-tier video game.

Mario Kart looks good.

But Bananza I need to see more of. Am missing interesting level design for a game like that to shine. They should do something like Steamworld Dig 2.

As for Avowed, it has its qualities. Not a straight forward fetch quest simulator. That makes it unique and good.

 

[Liopleurodon]

It's time for Xbox to return, and save the gaming.

 

[neocycle]

I don't expect anything good from Sony anymore.
I'm worried their DEI wankers will even defile Saros. Probably some "accessibility" cheat codes.

Switch 2 is expensive, but they have some games I'm interested in...

 

[yurinka]

They need another exclusive, we know they have Spider-Man, GT8 and god of war outside of that there aren't many games, Sony late ps3, ps4 was automatic with exclusives and was on fire.

Anyone that defends Sonys output this generation should lose their account immediately.

xDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Avowed could arguably be best exclusive on any console this year.

What are you talking about? This year they release games like Death Stranding 2, Ghost of Yotei, MK Word and Donkey Kong to name a few.

Do you think Sony could make the best selling console ever entirely off the strength of their first party?

First party games always represented a small portion of the game sales in PS. There are several other purchase reasons.

But if we compare the amount of GOTY winners or GOTY nominated 1st party games of this generations compared to their competion, maybe.

I think it won't outsell the PS2, but I think will outsell all the other home consoles in gaming history.

 

[Punished Miku]

The worst part of all is that they are pretty careless handling product that isn't their own; Expedition 33 for example: 6 years in development only to be unceremoniously dumped on GamePass practically simultaneously with the Oblivion remaster.

MS likely paid for all the development cost of the game to get it on GP. Got the new IP with the weird name in the hands of millions of people. Flew a crew to France to interview them and market the game in their own developer direct in January right beside their 1st party titles. And you have the publisher saying this also.

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33's publisher says Oblivion Remastered 'didn't seem to harm us at all', in fact, it may have helped: 'Everybody was thinking and talking about the genre'

Sometimes you get lucky, and players are just happy to have two cakes.

www.pcgamer.com

 

[MoreJRPG]

FF7 rebirth part 2, got death stranding 2, and also ghost 2 later this year.

Nice burner account attempt at a weekend live thread. Give it a 0/10 like the number of exclusives that Xbox has for console.

What's Xbox have to do with this thread? Their games dominating the PlayStation charts is the entire reason OP made this thread.

As an aside, Rebirth Part 2 is already on PC and not first party, Death Stranding 2 will be on PC eventually and not first party. Ghost is literally the only first party you named coming this year lol.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

So Sony is better at this than anyone else in the business…. except their direct competitor who sells way more games, makes way more games, and has infinitely more popular IPs. Lmao.

Maybe you misunderstood what "this" is.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Banaza are coming out this year. Oblivion Remastered also came out from XGS.

Avowed is a mid-tier video game.

Prime 4 will be the best exclusive of the year.

 

[LakeOf9]

Nahh they will throw out how well the PS5 is selling and to them that equates its the best generation ever

Don't forget they are making more profits than ever before, as if celebrating Sony leeching their base even more while putting out fewer great games than ever before is something worth celebrating

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

So salty, lol

I bought a base model and a Pro

At ease

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Nintendo Switch 2 is going to be direct competition.

No it won't. It will have last gen 3rd party games (but more expensive than anywhere else you can buy them and will play worse, oh and cough up more dough for the memory because that system isn't coming with enough on board). Until Nintendo starts getting the big new release the same day/date as PC and PS5, they will not be in direct competition.

Nintendo consoles are for Zelda, Mario and Pokemon for most people. 3rd party games takes a back seat. Of course, 3rd parties that manage to release on the same day as the Switch 2 will succeed since people want games with their new console. Mario Kart is great and will be huge but obviously people want more than that on release.

Playstation has already basically trapped so many of their customers into their own eco-system with their digital libraries coming from PS4. Even some games from PS1/PS2 classics on PS3 that were bought digitally are playable without an additional charge (they still honor all those purchases made way back then).

 

[Crayon]

shower thought:

I'm starting to see why the remakes and remasters are smart. I think of myself as a pretty loyal customer and it'll be on me when I buy a bad playstation on faith, but I have not played most of their games. I just barely got around to playing lou, and by then there's not only this remake, but they hand out the game for like the 3rd time on the sub.

I didn't necessarily feel lttp. The game is all up to date without a hint of being old, there's a tv show on, it's being promoted at the top of the catalog page. It doesn't come off being sold as some kind of classic, either. They just managed to market their way into this old ass game being relevant.

Anyway, unlike you freaks, I don't depend on sony for games. There is still lou2, sm2, some uncharted games, ragnarok, and ghost that I would like to try out. If they can keep those games smelling fresh, the re-releases may actually be pretty effective at filling long gaps between new games. They are getting a lot of mileage out of expensive, single player games.

 

[Clear]

MS likely paid for all the development cost of the game to get it on GP. Got the new IP with the weird name in the hands of millions of people. Flew a crew to France to interview them and market the game in their own developer direct in January right beside their 1st party titles. And you have the publisher saying this also.

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33's publisher says Oblivion Remastered 'didn't seem to harm us at all', in fact, it may have helped: 'Everybody was thinking and talking about the genre'

Sometimes you get lucky, and players are just happy to have two cakes.

www.pcgamer.com

To which the obvious follow up is: How much better would/could it have done if it was promoted more strongly and had less competition?

People are saying its a leading GOTY contender and yet its unlikely to be in the top 20 highest selling titles of the year.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I'll go a step further in my assessment of people.

I think people feel like Sony should be using the money they're making to invest more in single player games and maybe there is some credence to that. All that money that was invested in live service could have been invested in single player games, but there IS a problem with that.

Single player games are high risk low reward and most people (not gamers) understand that you have to create a diverse risk pool. The more single player games you make the more those games are compared to each other and the more that they're going to compete with each other and there is generally a ceiling on these games and how much they sell. Even their most successful games sell to a fraction of the overall playerbase.

It made sense to invest in live service as the industry i.e. consumers are moving towards that model. The only thing that to me, didn't make sense was their execution on it. Sony just doesn't have the DNA for live service games and they've forgotten their multiplayer legacy because it smells like PS3 and anything that smells like PS3 is bad to sony.

And this is pretty much all I've been saying all this time.

 

[LakeOf9]

Nintendo consoles are for Zelda, Mario and Pokemon for most people. 3rd party games takes a back seat.

Literally untrue, 52% of all games sold on the Switch – and Switch sold 1.34 billion units of software, so 52% of that is more software than most other consoles have ever sold total – are third party.

Enthusiasts on forums and online might not find the Switch viable enough for it to be their "primary" system, but the broader market literally does not give a shit

 

[FrankWza]

#Sonygaf

 

[MrJangles]

Death Stranding 2 is literally coming out next month.

Yeah but they need quality games.

 

[Mister Wolf]

No it won't. It will have last gen 3rd party games (but more expensive than anywhere else you can buy them and will play worse, oh and cough up more dough for the memory because that system isn't coming with enough on board). Until Nintendo starts getting the big new release the same day/date as PC and PS5, they will not be in direct competition.

Nintendo consoles are for Zelda, Mario and Pokemon for most people. 3rd party games takes a back seat. Of course, 3rd parties that manage to release on the same day as the Switch 2 will succeed since people want games with their new console. Mario Kart is great and will be huge but obviously people want more than that on release.

Playstation has already basically trapped so many of their customers into their own eco-system with their digital libraries coming from PS4. Even some games from PS1/PS2 classics on PS3 that were bought digitally are playable without an additional charge (they still honor all those purchases made way back then).

Plus a lot of us do not want to play severely gimped versions of games on the Switch 2. I would never have played The Witcher 3 on the Switch 1 nor would I play Cyperpunk, Borderlands 4, or Doom The Dark Ages on the Switch 2. First person games need to be 60fps minimum.

 

[Punished Miku]

To which the obvious follow up is: How much better would/could it have done if it was promoted more strongly and had less competition?

People are saying its a leading GOTY contender and yet its unlikely to be in the top 20 highest selling titles of the year.

You do know MS didn't develop or publish the game right? I truly don't understand this entitlement.

No one should give a shit about GOTY. We still have so many other games coming out this year to play, including 2 Ninja Gaiden games, a Shinobi, 2 big Sony games, 2 big Nintendo games, another Obsidian WRPG and tons more.

 

[veterangamerUK]

FF7 rebirth part 2, got death stranding 2, and also ghost 2 later this year.

Nice burner account attempt at a weekend live thread. Give it a 0/10 like the number of exclusives that Xbox has for console.

The fact you need to add b-b-but Xbox says a lot

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Literally untrue, 52% of all games sold on the Switch – and Switch sold 1.34 billion units of software, so 52% of that is more software than most other consoles have ever sold total – are third party.

Enthusiasts on forums and online might not find the Switch viable enough for it to be their "primary" system, but the broader market literally does not give a shit

We'll see if the next CoD makes it to Switch 2, there was some talk about that. That would probably make a difference, but the real elephant in the room is GTA VI, which obviously will not be coming to Switch 2. Their software sales don't prove that they are actually taking customers from Sony. Hence why I say, until the big new 3rd party releases start coming the same day/date, they will not be in direct competition.

EDIT: It's the strength of Nintendo's first party games which draws most people to actually buy the system is the point I'm making. 3rd party games drive the most people to buy a PS4/PS5 as their plug and play solution.

 

[LakeOf9]

We'll see if the next CoD makes it to Switch 2, there was some talk about that.

It legally has to, Microsoft has made a legal commitment to court to do it for at least 10 years

the real elephant in the room is GTA VI, which obviously will not be coming to Switch 2

Honestly, that's probably not going to happen, no.

If the Switch 2 starts meeting parity with PS5 on software releases for like 70% of all releases (which it seems likely it will), then that is more than enough to keep it in competition directly with PlayStation.

 

[Humdinger]

Pick up the slack, Jack

Make a new plan, Herman

Don't need to be pokey, Hiroki

... 50 Ways to Lose Your Fanbase

(needs some work)

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Nahh they will throw out how well the PS5 is selling and to them that equates its the best generation ever

It's possible to look at things from different perspectives though.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Maybe you misunderstood what "this" is.

I interpreted that as making video games. Whatever arbitrary lines you wanna draw past that are kinda meaningless. Nobody else could sell hardware off the strength of their own first party like Nintendo does.

 

[Crayon]

It legally has to, Microsoft has made a legal commitment to court to do it for at least 10 years


Honestly, that's probably not going to happen, no.

If the Switch 2 starts meeting parity with PS5 on software releases for like 70% of all releases (which it seems likely it will), then that is more than enough to keep it in competition directly with PlayStation.

I just realized one day we are going to get sales news of 3rd party games that launch together on switch 2 and ps5. There's gonna be some badass threads lol. Can't wait.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I interpreted that as making video games. Whatever arbitrary lines you wanna draw past that are kinda meaningless. Nobody else could sell hardware off the strength of their own first party like Nintendo does.

Nothing I said was about selling hardware off the strength of games.

It's arbitrary only in the framework of your console war narrative.

What I said is that no one makes AAA games like Sony in terms of quality and quantity and that's the reality. Most people would understand what I meant by this because the statement wasn't charged.

This topic was not about hardware sales or what drives those sales.

 

[Bojji]

That's probably what frustrates some people the most.

Are you a shareholder? Getting some money with every console sold?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Nothing I said was about selling hardware off the strength of games.

It's arbitrary only in the framework of your console war narrative.

What I said is that no one makes AAA games like Sony in terms of quality and quantity and that's the reality. Most people would understand what I meant by this because the statement wasn't charged.

This topic was not about hardware sales or what drives those sales.

What you're saying is just nonsense. "No one makes AAA games like Sony." Sony is a hardware maker and the goal of their first party is to make money and drive hardware sales. Nintendo is simply way better at this. You might like Sony's games more but they are not nearly on the same level in terms of sales or popularity. I'm sure you will say something like Mario Kart is not AAA, because there are no cinematic slow walk and chats for mature gamers, but it obviously has a high budget.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What you're saying is just nonsense. "No one makes AAA games like Sony." Sony is a hardware maker and the goal of their first party is to make money and drive hardware sales. Nintendo is simply way better at this. You might like Sony's games more but they are not nearly on the same level in terms of sales or popularity. I'm sure you will say something like Mario Kart is not AAA, because there are no cinematic slow walk and chats for mature gamers, but it obviously has a high budget.

Jesus Christ this guy really wants to double down...

 

[JusticeForAll]

It's because the lack of compeition. I don't complain though, enough games to play.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Jesus Christ this guy really wants to double down...

It's just the reality of the situation. PS5 will not come close to Switch numbers, and that's with the entirety of the industry supporting them. So how could you possibly say nobody makes AAA games like Sony?

 

[Gitaroo]

They should port their IP that are stuck in the PS3 era to slot in between their major 1st party game release seriously. Now that they are on PC now, PS4, PS5 and PC combined are a very very large market and make financial sent to me. Ah well...

 

[RoadHazard]

Death Stranding 2. Ghost of Yotei. Intergalactic. Saros. Wolverine (at some point). Sure, we're getting fewer first party exclusives than in the PS3 days, but what we're getting looks good.

 

[lh032]

wait for the next gaas reveal

 

[mitch1971]

Just release that ps3 compatability firmware Sony and you have more games without releasing more games.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

They should port their IP that are stuck in the PS3 era to slot in between their major 1st party game release seriously. Now that they are on PC now, PS4, PS5 and PC combined are a very very large market and make financial sent to me. Ah well...

I doubt we see them make any games that support PS4 moving forward. Where other devs would, there is probably a mandate against it that actually works against Sony.

Helldivers 2 for example probably should have had a PS4 version and would have been a much bigger game.

 

[Gitaroo]

I doubt we see them make any games that support PS4 moving forward. Where other devs would, there is probably a mandate against it that actually works against Sony.

Helldivers 2 for example probably should have had a PS4 version and would have been a much bigger game.

I can see helldiver 2 being a technician limitations plus it's a GAAS with on going support. If they made something like says Ratchet PS3 collection it would not requires on going support nor run into any technical horse power problem. I am not a dev but isn't developing on PS4 are PS5 very similar in terms of SDK. If they are stuck on 1 platform I can see them being reluctant on doing it since things are so expensive to make these days but we are talking PS4+PS5 alone which has over 170millions user base plus PC on top. I would still love to see sunset overdrive on ps5 with 4K 60f+fps HDR support and dual sense haptic.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Games? Exclusives? pshhh we don't need none of that when we have sales, bruh.

 

[Danjin44]

This gen the only reason I keep my PS5 around because of 3rd party games that don't come out on Switch.

Other than Astro Bot I didn't liked none of exclusives from PS5.

 

[Three]

Well the decision is not in your hands, and benefits Sony greatly to take them away. Since Sony no longer has viable competition, what's to stop them? Digital is like 90% of the console market now anyway. Killing used game market and cutting off retailers leaves all the revenue to them, and only pisses 10% of their customers who will soon have nowhere else to go.

So Sony is better at this than anyone else in the business…. except their direct competitor who sells way more games, makes way more games, and has infinitely more popular IPs. Lmao.

Sony is killing it this gen: OMG they have no competition.
Sony is killing it this gen: nuh-uh Nintendo, their direct competitor is better.

Make up your damn mind.

 

[Three]

This is what happens when you have no competition in the console space at your level of performance. They can rest on their laurels. Will be worse next generation.

The pace of releases is no worse than previous gens and Nintendo or Valve hasn't released anything of note for a while either yet I don't hear any bitching about it. MS has third party releases that were just fine as third party before but now they make the money from it instead of an independent company. People like to make mountains out of molehills and pretend the sky is falling though.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I can see helldiver 2 being a technician limitations plus it's a GAAS with on going support. If they made something like says Ratchet PS3 collection it would not requires on going support nor run into any technical horse power problem. I am not a dev but isn't developing on PS4 are PS5 very similar in terms of SDK. If they are stuck on 1 platform I can see them being reluctant on doing it since things are so expensive to make these days but we are talking PS4+PS5 alone which has over 170millions user base plus PC on top. I would still love to see sunset overdrive on ps5 with 4K 60f+fps HDR support and dual sense haptic.

If you look at Ratchet Rift Apart on PC, you realize it probably could have run on PS4 as well.

When you look at Hogwarts Legacy they made it work even on Switch (yes with caveats). If Hogwarts Legacy can run on Switch, you don't think Astro Bot could run on PS4?

Sony builds games not just for them to sell but to push the ps5 forward, which unfortunately sometimes limits their sales potential individually.

Helldivers 2 would easily work on XBS and you'd probably gain an extra couple million players, but that's not worth it for Sony in the grand scheme of things.

They could easily port Spider-Man Remastered to Switch 2 and XBS and really cut into that licensing cost associated with Marvel IP, but they want the brand pushing PS5s.

This is the order of sony and what they're willing to support

PC - They don't see it as a major detriment, but their first party single player games still come to PS5 first
PS4 - They don't want to give reasons for people to keep their ps4 over PS5
Switch - They'll put games like Horizon Lego Adventures or MLB as mandated
XBS - MLB as mandated

 

[BennyBlanco]

Sony is killing it this gen: OMG they have no competition.
Sony is killing it this gen: nuh-uh Nintendo, their direct competitor is better.

Make up your damn mind.

What is even contradictory there? Sony is selling lots of consoles and it's not because of their first party. Nintendo sells even more consoles and it's entirely because of their first party. So I disagreed with the guy's assertion that nobody makes AAA games as good as Sony. Is any of this even controversial?

 

[Three]

What is even contradictory there? Sony is selling lots of consoles and it's not because of their first party. Nintendo sells even more consoles and it's entirely because of their first party. So I disagreed with the guy's assertion that nobody makes AAA games as good as Sony. Is any of this even controversial?

You were saying that sony has no viable competitor in one post (when trying to paint them as the evil villian) and now you're saying they have a direct competitor doing things better. Which is it?

 

[EN250]

That's probably what frustrates some people the most.

Man, do you think sales = best? By that logic PS3 gen was trash even though the amount of amazing exclusive games was off the charts and made PS4 such surefire hit

 

[BennyBlanco]

You were saying that sony has no viable competitor in one post (when trying to paint them as the evil villian) and now you're saying they have a direct competitor doing things better. Which is it?

Sony has the big under the box TV space all to themselves this gen and there will probably not be another traditional walled garden console from Xbox. Nobody is trying to paint Sony as an evil villain and how you got that from my post is beyond me. Sony and Nintendo weren't direct competitors when it was Switch and PS4 but they are now. Switch 2 is gonna get 3rd party support like a regular console now.

 

[Dacvak]

Prime 4 will be the best exclusive of the year.

 

[ProtoByte]

With games taking at least 5 years to develop, that gives you 2 games per year on average.

It isn't taking 5 years to develop for their critical studios at this point, and almost every last one has wasted time and resource on bunk. 5 years or 7, Sony is not working at efficiency right now.

Exactly. I'll never understand why people root for Microsoft to fail. Or even big third parties.

I rooted for Microsoft to fail with their access over ownership/subscription service nonsense/multiplatformist model because it is poisonous to core gaming, and I'm not sorry. If they wanted to be successful, the model was right there.

 

[bitbydeath]

So Sony is better at this than anyone else in the business…. except their direct competitor who sells way more games, makes way more games, and has infinitely more popular IPs. Lmao.

I hope you're not talking about Microsoft.