Nobody would play ball with IPTV to the extent they wanted so it was thrown away
Sony reveals PlayStation Vue streaming service.
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Nobody would play ball with IPTV to the extent they wanted so it was thrown away
nycgamer4ever
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In no timeline and only in your mind bro. Last I check there is plenty games to play on PS4. Heck I have 4 games I'm picking up on Nov. 18th.
Is this the new argument we are going to hear from all the salty xbox fans?
With netflix and Hulu as similar options (that use your bandwidth) $30 is too much for me
Plus being Canadian I already jump through enough hurdles to get those 2 services
jeff_rigby
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Something is coming that is a DCAS (downloadable Conditional Access) and will use some TEE level hardware likely ARM Trustzone or ARM & Xtensa DPU (in the XB1 and PS4). TiVo and Comcast have a DCAS they say they will offer to CE manufacturers.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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oh yes, im sure that's how it could go because it is fair way to do it. i bet they would suck dry the sports fan though, they would break it like pay a fee per league, per tournament, World Cup and a super subscription including everything lol
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I'll unsubscribe to Comcast the moment this comes out. I just have to pay for my internet through them. Give me 30 dollars a month and I'm there for life. I'm in rural West Virginia though so it may take awhile before I can snag this.
I would love to only have internet but it is cheaper to keep tv and internet than to just have internet. I hate comcast.
Have fun with that. Comcast will not give you the time of day to unsub. They will swindle you with bundles higher internet cost filibustering on the phones, anything possible to keep you paying for cable.
SolidSnakeUS
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Sounds great, however, until I can fully get sports streaming legally without blackout restrictions, then we'll still have to stay on cable.
SliceSabre
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This could actually be pretty big though my biggest concern would be live sports.
No, there is a very short timeline where you have this and a Cable Box DVR converts RF to IPTV and the XB1 can be a DVR. If you have a Cablebox without DVR or VOD then you can't do the following and need HDMI pass-through (VOD IPTV using Playready stays the same from now past 2017):
Then this (2017) where the XB1 can be a multi-room DVR but HDMI Pass-though is useless as everything is served as IPTV:
Agreed.
I understand that long term the industry is moving towards an IPTV system but currently TiVo and cablecards are a viable solution (understandably not for everyone). For a console that launched in 2013 with the idea of promoting TV, TV, TV (IMO) they should have included the option to use a cablecard and full DVR features. So folks could replace their DVR cable boxes.
EDIT: Admittedly I have no idea how much this would cost to implement and whether it would be worth it to them long term but I know such a feature would have been welcome for older folks. I would have gladly bought an X1 for my parents to replace their current cable setup box.
I am not sure if you are aware, but NeoGAF is a forum made up of individuals. It is not a hive mind of people. So when you say "your doing it again," that in and of itself is non-sense.
You missed a key part where I said "perceived," and it is that perception of priority that people lambasted Microsoft. And it was 100% their fault for what they prioritized in the reveal.
Again--it is not the existence of multimedia functionality that people were hard on Microsoft for. Sony introducing a new feature does not change their priority, and considering how hard they have been pushing a gamer-centric agenda (For the players campaign), it is not hard to see why that perception wouldn't change just because they are introducing a new service.
I am sorry that your wish for people to be hypocritical is not coming to fruition, but you are wrong on this point.
Mass Effect
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Wow, this sounds like it could be huge. I forgot that they were planning this too.
If the prices are right, I would definitely considering jumping in.
If the prices are right, I would definitely considering jumping in.
Ok, but this sounds like the same thing. It's not like Vue is going to be a la carte (which is what everybody wants), the big broadcasting companies won't allow that. " If you want Discovery Channel at X price, you're going to have to take The Knitting Channel and these 3 other shit channels we own."
It's a block of channels for a monthly subscription fee and yes, it will include channels you'lol never watch.
Seeing as you've just addressed that NeoGAF isn't a hivemind, I'd like to point out that what you've posted above also isn't universally true. I recall arguing with people in a thread regarding the Xbox Originals (over a year after the reveal), who were making claims that any focus MS placed on TV related activities detracts from resources that would otherwise be available for gaming. During the run up to this years E3 nearly every discussion about any potential MS showing was met with a load of posts saying something to the effect of "it'll all be TVTVTV just like last year". This is despite the fact that MS' 2013 E3 was almost entirely focused on games.
If the reveal was the only issue, we'd have mostly moved on from it by time E3 2013 came around. That's not what happened though, and people a year on were still using TV functionality as proof that MS is less games oriented than Sony. Hell, half of the time when the OS updates are brought up, and someone complains about not being able to pause a download or stream their media, the response is "what do you expect? Sony said they were selling you a pure gaming machine, and that's what you got!".
Unless the internet providers actually own or have vested interest in the content (Comcast and NBC for example) they have no power here. It's all about deals between the content creators and Sony. ISP's can't (as of yet) dictate what their broadband is used for.
Exactly. This is the same as any other cable provider. Not that its a bad thing but it doesn't facilitate cord cutting.
Sadly this is basically the only reason I have direct tv. I don't care if it ends up being cable or streaming, but I wish we got to choose the channels we want instead of packages where you end up paying for 30+ channels you never watch. It will likely never happen however, because cable companies will stop that sort of thing at all costs.
That's not totally true. Lets say HBO Go wants stand alone internet options. If Comcast threatens to drop HBO from the line up if they do, well that gives Comcast some say. Now HBO has a lot more pull than say AMC or whoever but many stations don't. The providers still have power but it is gradually shifting away. The question is when will it change enough for ala carte to be feasible.
GreyOcelot
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this is live tv, DVR, and on demand from dozens of different networks. there isn't a chance in hell it's even close to the price of hulu plus
Mass Effect
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The Super Bowl will never show up on this service. And how would people watching CBS on cable/satellite affect PSN?
And why would PSN being updated make you lose your ability to watch TV? Do you mean if PSN is down for maintenance?
Could they afford to bring many channels on board tho with such a low price point? Many big channels are charging providers over $1 or close to it. $9.99 is just highly unlikely to be even close to the price.
Yeah, people are being way too optimistic on pricing. I'd guess no less than $40 a month, unless they let you get channels a la carte (which is highly unlikely).
GreyOcelot
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why wouldn't this have the superbowl? if it's on CBS or NBC live, it would be on this if they offer live streaming of those networks (which it appears they do)
the superbowl has been available to stream for free over the internet the past few years. no reason why it wouldn't be available here unless ABC had the superbowl.
is Fox a part of this? EDIT: they are.
i'd say there's a very very high chance big events like the superbowl, oscars, etc will be on this live
Americanmushroom
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Is Sony the first one doing something like this? I would expect Google or Amazon to have something like that..
CosmicQueso
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Don't see how this is, effectively, any different from Hulu Plus.
Think many of you have far higher expectations of this than what it may actually turn out to be.
EDIT: More networks is interesting... and the Live TV bit is appealing (gotta say I'm dubious)... but do you really think the cable companies and networks will allow this to happen without a really huge set of catches, high fees, other awfulness? There's gotta be a catch.
Think many of you have far higher expectations of this than what it may actually turn out to be.
EDIT: More networks is interesting... and the Live TV bit is appealing (gotta say I'm dubious)... but do you really think the cable companies and networks will allow this to happen without a really huge set of catches, high fees, other awfulness? There's gotta be a catch.
The_Inquisitor
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Live TV in addition.
It's not any different other than having more networks signed up, so more content in one place.
Sports generally have separate broadcast rights. Just because FOX carries the superbowl doesn't mean they have the rights to broadcast it in any method they want.
As an example: see CBS' new announcement of their stand-alone streaming channel. Their NFL games are not included because they aren't allowed to stream it. March Madness games are included, as a counter example. I'm sure CBS is negotiating with the NFL to get streaming rights for the games they already have the right to broadcast.
This is the absolute correct answer. Microsoft pivoted the messaging to be about media center first, oh and plays awesome games too. Sony went back to a much simpler message of "a box built for games first". The reality is, when shooting for the most technically complex use case, everything else slots nicely into it.
Microsoft taking about TV first, Price is Right during a game industry press event, sports, 3 operating systems running at the same time, always on camera, etc. It was a completly tone deaf announcement. Kudos for pulling all that stuff back, putting Phil in charge, and getting back to reconnecting with their core.
Media has ALWAYS been part of the PS ecosystem, all the way back to the PS1. How they messaged this made all the difference.
Muskieratboi
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Another service us aussies will never get. I'm still waiting for the PS4 DVB-T tuner..
SolidSnakeUS
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I like this idea better than MS trying to push the idea of replacing your cable box/controller your cable box that's tied to a cable company.
wapplew
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I don't know the tech, but I believe ISP of my little country have similar IPTV service, which does not take away your bandwidth.
RustyNails
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Fox News wont be on Sony Vue service lol.
That's a pretty good incentive to get Vue if you ask me.
That's a pretty good incentive to get Vue if you ask me.
It's not like MS didn't try a big push into IPTV.
Sony likely is the only company to have success because Sony actually produces TV content for a number of networks...
Everything from Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune to Breaking Bad. Their relationship with TV networks involves a different kind of leverage than an MS or Google/Apple/Netflix anyone else trying to get into IPTV.
Sony likely is the only company to have success because Sony actually produces TV content for a number of networks...
Everything from Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune to Breaking Bad. Their relationship with TV networks involves a different kind of leverage than an MS or Google/Apple/Netflix anyone else trying to get into IPTV.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
OuterLimits
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Why wouldn't Comcast and Verizon throttle the service?
If Netflix had to pay up, I can't imagine they will be friendly towards a service that is even more directly in competition with their interests.
If Netflix had to pay up, I can't imagine they will be friendly towards a service that is even more directly in competition with their interests.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Isn't Hulu and Netflix shows that have already finished their seasons while this is the same as basic cable depending on what channels you get? Completely unrealistic to expect a 10$/month service for the channels that you get IMO.With netflix and Hulu as similar options (that use your bandwidth) $30 is too much for me
Plus being Canadian I already jump through enough hurdles to get those 2 services
I don't use the services, buy my friends found ways to get Hulu/Netflix US versions, I'd recommend sticking to that since those versions are superior.
