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[Brad Grenz]

Unless they patch it to 1080p...

Networks basically all broadcast in 720p or 1080i. And since no one is broadcasting 1080p60 content your 1080p TV can reconstruct any 30 or 24hz content from 1080i perfectly.

 

[jroc74]

So this was Sony's true plan? Guess all the people laughing at MS about TV TV TV need to eat some crow.

I just find it ironic that for a company that vehemently claims their focus is on hardcore gamers, they sure are trying hard on the TV front rather than on releasing quality exclusive games.

PS fans support it now, whereas they whined and complained about MS focusing too much on TV back when X1 was first announced.

Are these serious posts?

... No. There's a difference between providing a service and building you game console around a different media entirely.

... No. There's a difference between providing a service and building you game console around a different media entirely.

Quoted twice in case it was missed....

Maybe you don't know but Sony is a corporation with a humongous stable of TV and movie properties. Playstation is their one remaining brand that still holds a decent amount of weight with consumers so its not surprising that they put this service under the Playstation name. Its the same way Microsoft puts everything consumer under "Xbox".

There's nothing ironic about it. Sony has always been this slow with regards to OS updates so nothing is new. They've released a decent amount of first party content when they first released the console. They are still releasing a decent number of first party content but people just choose to dismiss it for reasons I don't understand.

The Xbox One had issues with what they did because the introduced a product that seemingly threw out everything for multimedia purposes (i.e. Kinect, weak GPU, DDR3, half assed pass through solution). Sony isn't doing this.

They are the 2nd best at delivery 1st party titles, Nintendo being first and MS 3rd. Sony made the right choices to cater to gamers first before all else. This is very common thing actually. Normally after 1-2 years, these companies try to cater to other type of audiences such as a younger/family friendly crowd. You could see this on the later years of PS3/360 with their motion/kinect push.

Sony will no doubt try to do some TV stuff but its hyperbolic to say things like "oh wow look who is 'TVTVTV' now lulz". You must be willfully ignorant to dismiss all the quality games coming on 2015 and the things they did in for their player base. (Made sure PS4 had better GPU/RAM than competition etc)

MS's plan backfired so their "TVTVTV" at the beginning failed miserably compared to Sony and look at the dramatic changes they've made to try to stay competitive. (Dropped Kinect and dropped price a lot) No way to spin any of this imo in some negative light on Sony here. (PS: Sony bringing this new service doesnt mean 1st party titles are not being developed, we havent seen half their Dev's games)

Thank goodness for sensible folks. Kinda funny for anyone to compare this to what the XBO is....even in its current state.

This and them working on PS Now might explain some of the network issues recently.

 

[jeff_rigby]

They need to set the local affiliates up to send live feed to the servers, so Sony can then stream it to us.

AND they need Local VOD servers to reduce region to region traffic. Local TV channels allowed FREE on Local Internet and in fact the FCC requires Cable companies to provide local OTA stations free and Unscrambled. If Sony is offering a competitor to Cable TV shouldn't they have to work under the same FCC rules? So rather than being a extra feature I think it's a requirement.

Networks basically all broadcast in 720p or 1080i. And since no one is broadcasting 1080p60 content your 1080p TV can reconstruct any 30 or 24hz content from 1080i perfectly.

ATSC 2.0 is candidate status and it supports the Blu-ray codec, 1080P and 1080P S3D so everything supported by 3D blu-ray players is now possible OTA and thus on Cable TV.

Sony is not waiting for ATSC 2.0 higher resolutions and S3D as well as targeted advertising and XTV to make their way through OTA and Cable TV, they are implementing everything via VOD IPTV jumping at least 3 years into the future when we will see these features on OTA and Cable TV standard channels (Cable VOD premium channels as IPTV already offers some of the coming features).

 

[jeff_rigby]

http://www.latestpatents.com/category/sony/

The patents in November really point to Vue features (XTV and more).

Playstation Vue, "Sony Computer Entertainment America plans a commercial launch during the first quarter of 2015." Rumor from a self professed Sony Employee has DLNA in the PS4 during the same period. DLNA is necessary to support DLNA CVP2 = Vidipath = HTML5 APP

I suspect/guess/predict the following for the same time period:

1) h.265 codec available for IPTV use in PS4 and PS3
2) DLNA 2.0 in PS4 (three box model)
3) Playready support in PS3 and DLNA updated to DLNA 2.0 and 3 box model (PS3 DLNA control-able from tablet or phone)
4) PS3 XMB upgraded to ?OpenGL?PS4 like Desktop browser => security issue? (Currently using a game engine to support OpenGL calls)
5) HTML5 apps released for all Playstation game Consoles including Vita.
6) At CES Sony shows TVs with Android L and Connected Blu-ray players that support DLNA CVP2 (Streaming blu-ray over the home network). All support h.265 and can use handhelds as second screen and controllers (Voice and Gesture).
7) At CES Sony announces some of their plans supported by their hardware.

8) New camera (patent published) with higher resolution and depth via IR intensity for all Sony platforms including the PS3
9) Some new chat program released for all platforms along with contact/log-history and more.

XTV apps like what onQ123 posted on Neogaf will appear in Playstation Vue. If Playstation Vue is to support this then all platforms need a camera and mic. See how 8 & 9 tie into this..... OpenKcam is to be released 1Q15 and OpenVX has already been released. Android will be first to support OpenKcam.

The PS3 if it's to support DLNA CVP2 with gesture and voice control will need everything loaded and the XMB if it's to also have voice and gesture control points to the PS3 having a HTML5 or WebGL desktop browser with everything loaded in memory. See how that supports 3, 4 & 5 above as well as 8 & 9.....Notice how the XMB is already designed to EASILY use gesture control.

 

[Xplatformer]

Day 1 usage for this. Gimme.

 

[Orin GA]

So...is sony making the interface themselves......

 

[jeff_rigby]

So...is sony making the interface themselves......

Seems like it, 191 job postings 6/2014..

 

[serversurfer]

This was supposed to start beta testing last month. Have we heard any more about that? Did it happen? How's it going?

 

[FlyinJ]

If this allows me to a la carte only the cable content I want, I'll pay for it just to shove my finger into the eye of time warner and Comcast.

 

[AndyD]

This was supposed to start beta testing last month. Have we heard any more about that? Did it happen? How's it going?

Several people in this thread have commented they are in the beta I think, but I imagine they can only say so much.

 

[LifEndz]

As much as I wish ESPN was included, I'm kinda relieved it isn't just so the price stays somewhat reasonable. Hope plus subscribers get a discount. 19.99 would be perfect. I haven't had cable in over a year and I really miss nat geo, discovery, nat geo wild and animal planet.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Recent Sony patents primarily concern Playstation Vue and VR.

Playstation VUE

IPTV Multicast

Enhanced program metadata on cross-media bar

Next generation user interface for audio video display device such as TV

METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR CONTENT PLAYBACK USING MULTIPLE IPTV DEVICES

VR glasses and Technologies

Head mounted display and optical position adjustment method of the same

Illumination unit having a plurality of light sources including a light source emitting two or more different wavelengths

SHARING THREE-DIMENSIONAL GAMEPLAY For those who think 3D is dead, this is a technique to share an image from 3D gameplay to a 2D display Friend.

SYSTEMS AND METHODS FOR TRANSITIONING BETWEEN TRANSPARENT MODE AND NON-TRANSPARENT MODE IN A HEAD MOUNTED DIPSLAY

Systems and Methods for Using Reduced Hops to Generate an Augmented Virtual Reality Scene Within A Head Mounted System

TRANSITIONING GAMEPLAY ON A HEAD-MOUNTED DISPLAY

SWITCHING MODE OF OPERATION IN A HEAD MOUNTED DISPLAY

IMAGE RENDERING RESPONSIVE TO USER ACTIONS IN HEAD MOUNTED DISPLAY

SYSTEMS AND METHODS FOR CUSTOMIZING OPTICAL REPRESENTATION OF VIEWS PROVIDED BY A HEAD MOUNTED DISPLAY BASED ON OPTICAL PRESCRIPTION OF A USER

DISPLAY UNIT AND ELECTRONIC APPARATUS

 

[Dirtyshubb]

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ign.com%2Farticles%2F2015%2F01%2F06%2Fces-2015-playstation-vue-tv-service-coming-in-early-2015&ei=PearVJe0DciO7Qasr4HwAg&usg=AFQjCNGskiHW1c5TE75q-jbSrAln8lIgNw&sig2=rHdVY9M4sesF7VfOCFZnFg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.ZGU
Sony's PlayStation Vue will bring TV streaming to PS3 and PS4 in early 2015

Figured I would add this here for people, was gonna do a new thread (Others are welcome to of course) but wanted to tie this into the rumour we are getting DLNA at the beginning of the year since Jeff Rigby (from what I remember) said we would need that to use this service. If true im looking forward to a firmware update sometime soon with the feature.

 

[Schrade]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/01/06/ces-2015-playstation-vue-tv-service-coming-in-early-2015
Sony's PlayStation Vue will bring TV streaming to PS3 and PS4 in early 2015

Figured I would add this here for people, was gonna do a new thread (Others are welcome to of course) but wanted to tie this into the rumour we are getting DLNA at the beginning of the year since Jeff Rigby (from what I remember) said we would need that to use this service. If true im looking forward to a firmware update sometime soon with the feature.

The fuck is with your URL? I fixed it in the quote above...

Anyhow, good news. I REALLY want to find out what this service really has to offer plus how it performs.

 

[KingJ2002]

The unbundling of TV channels is upon us... looking forward to this service and Dish's Sling box

and the eventual release of Apple's new TV service.

 

[evilchicken]

I will support this if it means sticking it to DirecTV and corrupt cable companies. Now Sony, create your own Google Fiber-like service and stick it to the corrupt internet companies.

FUCK YOU 250 GB DATA CAP for $40/mo with 15 Mbps!

Google fiber coming to my city means ISPs here go crazy with competition. I'm at $38/mo for 100Mb and no data cap (U-Verse, but I will switch when Google arrives). I also don't have TV service so Vue might be just the thing, depending on price.

 

[RedRooster]

Please work in Canada, please work in Canada! Obviously not the ESPN version, but at least a Canadian version of those channels.

 

[barit]

http://www.latestpatents.com/category/sony/

The patents in November really point to Vue features (XTV and more).

Playstation Vue, "Sony Computer Entertainment America plans a commercial launch during the first quarter of 2015." Rumor from a self professed Sony Employee has DLNA in the PS4 during the same period. DLNA is necessary to support DLNA CVP2 = Vidipath = HTML5 APP

I suspect/guess/predict the following for the same time period:

1) h.265 codec available for IPTV use in PS4 and PS3
2) DLNA 2.0 in PS4 (three box model)
3) Playready support in PS3 and DLNA updated to DLNA 2.0 and 3 box model (PS3 DLNA control-able from tablet or phone)
4) PS3 XMB upgraded to ?OpenGL?PS4 like Desktop browser => security issue? (Currently using a game engine to support OpenGL calls)
5) HTML5 apps released for all Playstation game Consoles including Vita.
6) At CES Sony shows TVs with Android L and Connected Blu-ray players that support DLNA CVP2 (Streaming blu-ray over the home network). All support h.265 and can use handhelds as second screen and controllers (Voice and Gesture).
7) At CES Sony announces some of their plans supported by their hardware.

8) New camera (patent published) with higher resolution and depth via IR intensity for all Sony platforms including the PS3
9) Some new chat program released for all platforms along with contact/log-history and more.

XTV apps like what onQ123 posted on Neogaf will appear in Playstation Vue. If Playstation Vue is to support this then all platforms need a camera and mic. See how 8 & 9 tie into this..... OpenKcam is to be released 1Q15 and OpenVX has already been released. Android will be first to support OpenKcam.

The PS3 if it's to support DLNA CVP2 with gesture and voice control will need everything loaded and the XMB if it's to also have voice and gesture control points to the PS3 having a HTML5 or WebGL desktop browser with everything loaded in memory. See how that supports 3, 4 & 5 above as well as 8 & 9.....Notice how the XMB is already designed to EASILY use gesture control.

why this guy still doesn´t have a tag will probably forever a mystery

nice explaining and I hope your predictions becomes true (especially that DLNA part)

 

[Stereogatari]

I imagine that this will be renamed if it comes to the UK because of the cinema chain Vue.

Couldn't they just call it PlayStation View here.

 

[Darth Smurf X]

I'm shocked that CBS is on board. Every time I try to record a CBS show and it gets bumped from my DVR or the reception is bad or gets interrupted by something and I have to look elsewhere to view it, I'm out of luck. I'm looking at you, Mr. Latest Episode of Elementary.

Hulu+... nope.

Netflix... nice try. Maybe next year.

Buy it? Good one, iTunes/Amazon.

Sit in my office and watch it on my computer from my desk chair... UGH. Maybe if NOTHING else has recorded.

So this new service is definitely on my radar. I'm listening Sony.

 

[sn00zer]

My parents are actually interested in this. They never had cable due to not wanting to pay for channels they dont want, something that has been repeated ad nauseum for years by cable customers. Glad someone caught on. Will all come down to pricing though.

 

[RedAssedApe]

now please update the os so that it allows bluetooth remotes...

 

[ckohler]

If they add Adult Swim (Cartoon Network), then I'll switch for sure.

 

[e90Mark]

If they add Adult Swim (Cartoon Network), then I'll switch for sure.

Sling TV offers that.

 

[SonnyBoy]

I will cancel DTV if Vue is as good as advertised, contract be damned.

 

[waypoetic]

*reads*

Oh, US only.

*leaves frustrated*

 

[serversurfer]

Jeff, here you mentioned that the ARM chip will be responsible for "Low power IPTV." Does that mean the ARM chip will be able to handle Vue entirely on its own, in much the same way my iPhone 5S has no trouble running Netflix? If so, does that mean the ARM chip could take care of someone watching Vue on the TV, while I Remote Play Uncharted on the Vita? Could Netflix and similar apps also transition to the ARM?

 

[Brad Grenz]

A lot of it depends on the ARM chip used and how it is integrated with the rest of the system, but the Roku 2s out there have single core ARM chips with 256MB of RAM and handle Netflix pretty well. That said, I don't believe it is a given that's what the background processor in the PS4 will ever be used for.

 

[serversurfer]

Seems like it'd be better than having it sit there collecting dust. lol

I know it handles background stuff like downloads, but I see no reason it couldn't continue to do so whenever it wasn't busy streaming video. Oh, it might even work the other way around too, with someone gaming on the PS4, and someone RPing Vue on another device. Probably make more sense just to have Vue run natively on said device though. /shrug

 

[Brad Grenz]

Well, there are questions like: does the ARM chip even have a GPU? If it does, is it active? If it is active, is there any way to route its frame-buffer to the HDMI transmitter? Even if the answer to all those questions is yes it isn't even clear that the background processor is working as intended yet, so adding a whole streaming framework on top of what is probably already a complicated interaction between it and the main APU is an engineering challenge they may never bother to tackle. But who knows? Having a PS4 only use as much power as a Roku while streaming video would be great, and the dual use scenario you described is something I have wished for in the past as well.

 

[Alchemy]

Isn't the ARM processor responsible for things like background downloads/installs, and recording video for Share? It also kicks into use when you upload to Youtube, which happens in the background while you're playing games.

I imagine there would need to be work arounds for that to have game streaming and other apps running at the same time.

 

[Nintendad]

Check your inboxes. They might be sending out invites ago. I just got mine.

 

[Revolutionary]

Missed the confidential bit lol. Oh well

 

[J-Skee]

Check your inboxes. They might be sending out invites ago. I just got mine.

Dammit, nothing yet.

 

[Dubz]

I'm on the free trial, and I really like the service. The only thing missing for me is ESPN. Does anyone know the approximate date that ESPN is coming to Vue?

 

[Schnauzer]

I tried to sign up for a free trial and it's telling me I'm outside of the US? Any ideas?

 

[MarineMountie]

They ESPN, im in. That would cover ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox sports. That is all i need.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I really want to like PlayStation Vue but there are so many quirks that get kind of annoying.

1) The DVR controls are shit. It's near impossible to use rewind and forward in any useful manner. This means it's impossible to skip commercials.

2) Inability to time shift, ie wait 15 minutes and then start a program to skip commercials

3) Inability to extend the end time of a recording. This really hurts for recording live events such as sports. I always get the ending cut off.

4) Anything NBC/Comcast/Universal related doesn't stream to the iPad

5) The Golden Globes were blocked which makes me wonder what else gets blocked from the service. Is the Super Bowl going to be blocked? That would really really suck if that's the case.

6) The Fire TV app is limited to 30 fps while the iPad and PS4 are 60 fps.

 

[vypek]

Kind of interested in this. I think it was/is testing in my area. Thinking about cutting the cord but will probably need to get a mix of services to cover everything that I watch now.

 

[ascii42]

I'm on the free trial, and I really like the service. The only thing missing for me is ESPN. Does anyone know the approximate date that ESPN is coming to Vue?

I haven't seen anything new on ESPN since they announced they were getting it back in November.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I haven't seen anything new on ESPN since they announced they were getting it back in November.

I think it's weird they announced it so early and then nothing came of it.

 

[HStallion]

Been trying out the trial version after not having any form of cable for years now and relying mostly on a combination of Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Prime to get content.

Im liking it a lot more than expected. They could have a few more channels and perhaps a better a la carte channel options to really sell me on it.

The interface is so much more responsive and sleek than the many different providers my parents have used in the last several years. The image quality was good too especially considering my connection is not great.

Overall I like it especially for the price. When they get some more channels and eventually let you pick individual channels instead of just block offerings I'm in.