flatearthpandas
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Sony really needs to bundle all the subscriptions available for the PS4 if they're going to keep this up.
Sony reveals PlayStation Vue streaming service.
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StarBlazers1
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Even with the better decoder, you're still going to have a bigger hit bandwidth wise. Netflix is having to pay providers to give their subscribers better performance. Where do you think that money is going to come from?
Banjo-Kazooie
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Microsoft has closed their TV studio, and Sony is ramping up their TV services...pretty funny really considering MS got bashed for "TV TV TV" for the better part of last year.
All jokes and irony aside, I'm all for anything that can help me cancel my overpriced Comcast subscription.
edit: Meh, no ESPN, so sports look like they will be extremely limited. I'm a huge Boston sports fan, so don't know if that would fly.
All jokes and irony aside, I'm all for anything that can help me cancel my overpriced Comcast subscription.
edit: Meh, no ESPN, so sports look like they will be extremely limited. I'm a huge Boston sports fan, so don't know if that would fly.
loaf of bread
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I can't believe the amount of people here who seem to have no clue how businesses work.
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I already get that now though allbeit limited channels with Comcast. I get access to live TV + on demand content on the Xfinity TV Go App that I use on my nexus 7.
Again tell me what this does different than what I already can do cause I can do everything people have been saying already. The difference would be maybe this service would get more channels on board then what I current get with Comcast on the web or their apps.
Rebel Leader
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But what about your bandwidth?
It is all IPTV, just tags you to content... but there are several types of content. Here is IMHO
1. You can rewind and watch anything from past 3 days (I have this and it is amazing).
2. You can tag a show and get all those show episodes from last 28 days. Or tag any broadcast for 28 days. Thats live tv, movies, sports I guess.
3. On demand from channels - if you subscribe to CBS, you will get cbs on demand, so you can watch all of their shows that are available on their on-demand service. Basically like HBO Go.
There are probably going to be various pricing options. And everything is month-to-month.
StarBlazers1
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Reports say the average netflix users consume about 3 hours a day. Or about 100 hours a month. Comcast and AT&T both have bandwidth caps. And both are barely sufficient to carry the load of 3 hours of HD streaming a day.
I don't think Comcast caps anymore. At least, in some/most areas. I've got plenty over 250GB on multiple occasions this past year and haven't heard a word from them.
StarBlazers1
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Its only in some areas. The cap is 300 gb. Seems to be about 60 % of their coverage area.
Edit: was looking at an older article. Only in Kentucky, Alabama and arizona. My bad.
Shouldn't be a problem once ISPs sort their infrastructure out.
Oop so that's another thing that Sony are taking from MS with this announcement.
StarBlazers1
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Right. At who's expense are the ISP's going to do that with? Years before that happens. Don't get me wrong, it's going to happen eventually, but I don't believe this is going to be the solution. It's going to be the providers who supply an internet solution, not the content makers.
I am not sure about this. The cost will need to be pretty low, because bundling a basic tv package with internet really isn't that much more expensive than just having internet only with many of the cable providers. The interface sure looks nice though, but I am not going to pay a premium just for that.
If they had a sports/espn only package for like $10-$15 a month I might have to take a real look at this.
If they had a sports/espn only package for like $10-$15 a month I might have to take a real look at this.
And isn't "Sky" just the English spelling of "Sky"?
Vs when it was called Zune? Not sure I agree with you there.
Bo Knows GAF
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOO PHILLY!!!
SuicidalSteve
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In UK we already have Vue
GreyOcelot
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comcast doesn't enforce their cap. i've done 500gb in a month through comcast before. they can definitely handle more bandwidth. bandwidth caps are a money making scheme more so than a network capacity issue
not the same thing. zune was hardware with a itunes-clone service attached. xbox music is a pandora/spotify/icloud/google music competitor
jts
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The enforce it depending on the area.
jeff_rigby
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It's not clear in that post but if you follow the links it's made obvious. There is a timeline as follows:
The FCC mandates cable companies have to implement IPTV streaming in home using DLNA and Playready from their DVR boxes June 2015. The DVR receives the 60 or so RF channels and with 4 tuners converts RF to IPTV for in home streaming. By 2017+ everything will be IPTV streamed from a Cable Modem using DLNA and there will no longer be cable boxes or DVRs in the home. Phones will be VOIP and Skype will be ubiquitous.
The IPTV STB that is certified to be used by Cable in the US has to meet DLNA CVP2 certification and the PS4 and XB1 are designed to meet that certification and additionally have h.265 support which should be a Codec supported by DLNA CVP2 STBs late 2016.
Anything that can be certified DLNA CVP2 can be used by Sony for their Playstation Vue. The PS4 and XB1 additionally can accept h.265 media and transcode to h.264 for platforms in the home. The KEY is DRM certification which allows sharing of media across the home LAN using DLNA and Playready for VOD which can also sideload to the PS4 which will transcode to h.264 and DLNA serve to in home certified platforms. PS4 Blu-ray can do the same.
Sony is proceeding right to the endgame which is all IPTV using the certified platforms. Large markets first with local VOD servers to reduce the region to region charges and likely h.265 to keep bandwidth/usage caps in check.
To own the living room takes more than a game console or IPTV service like Vue. There are 15 Vidipath (DLNA CVP2) platforms to be released at the end of this year and I think 10 of them are Game Consoles...many of them new. The PS4 is the most powerful and with software can offer the most features. Video Chat, DLNA CVP2 support, Media Hub, multiple IPTV apps, Search engines and EPGuides, Internet of things, Home control (Smart Home), Game, Media and Blu-Ray sharing over the home network, Browser and information services....2001 paper cited below spells out what's coming.
Endgame all IPTV via Cable Modem below:
StarBlazers1
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Exactly my point. If someone is going to pay for only internet service and not bundle their TV package, you don't think they aren't going to either cap it, or make it more expensive? Do a search in your area. See how much internet only providers are charging. Watch it go up when a solution like this hits.
True plan? Is just another feature they might add... The focus of the PS brand is clearly gaming.
Also this is a TV service, which is different than just hooking up your cable box to your XBOne.
I'm not a big TV person but I will admit it could interesting if done well.
The problem for me is that my ISP will actually reduce my monthly bill if I add TV to my package. So as long as I have to go to the same person for my internet and TV services, they will never allow these services to make economic sense. Comcast will just keep increasing the costs of the internet, and offering me reductions to add TV.
My choices will be internet from Comcast and TV from Sony for $120 or internet and TV from Comcast for $65.
th4tguy
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We all need some Google fiber in our diets.
They need to do something similar to the amazon remote (voice controls). Then again they do have the camera.
When you drop your TV/Phone/Cable package from your cable provider, they are going to bend you over backwards and fuck you when you try and drop the TV and Phone portion.
I tried a few months back and my bill was going to increase if I dropped the phone/tv portion.
Id love to have a streaming alternative, but then again, if your a sports fan... any type of lag/artifacting can really be a bummer. You dont want to see Kobe going for the game winning 3 and have it say... "Buffering....." mid-shot.
Cant wait to see what becomes of this though. Hopefully "competitive price" isnt a PR line.
I tried a few months back and my bill was going to increase if I dropped the phone/tv portion.
Id love to have a streaming alternative, but then again, if your a sports fan... any type of lag/artifacting can really be a bummer. You dont want to see Kobe going for the game winning 3 and have it say... "Buffering....." mid-shot.
Cant wait to see what becomes of this though. Hopefully "competitive price" isnt a PR line.
PanicFreak
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You're not getting 75 channels for 10 bucks a month. Just look up the carriage charge for Food Network.
Really interesting that they're giving this to the Playstation brand when it's also going to iOS and will probably be on Sony TVs in the future too. Perhaps they are trying to rebrand Playstation to not mean just game consoles, but media services. With this and Playstation Now available on multiple devices, services might be where Sony sees the brand going.
Zune was hardware, like Xbox is hardware.
Zune was also the name of their music and video store, along with the software used to access them. Xbox Music and Xbox Video are really just rebrands of Zune (there used to be a Zune app for the Xbox 360). The Xbox Music Pass I have was a Zune Music Pass prior to the rebrand, and I live in the UK where the Zune device wasn't even released.
The fact that I'm explaining this kinda proves my point.
This is why I canceled DirecTV when I had it. I even paid the $200 ETF. Right now I am subscribed to an analog basic package (channels 1-99), I don't get HD but it is a hell of a lot cheaper than digital TV. Paying $60 for internet alone and ~$80 for DirecTV compared to just $70 for tv/cable.. should have done it a hell of a lot sooner.
The cable companies have us by the balls. We buy internet only from them and pay a massive premium to access TV content from others (and then be subject to bandwidth limits if it is something like this); or they bundle everything together for a cheaper price. Economically we don't really have a choice if we want to watch tv content..
Agreed. The service will end up being closer to $25-$30 a month. If they were to offer sports closer to $50.
quickwhips
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This is a streaming with live tv vs MS have a cable provider and we overlay it...
NoMoreTrolls
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Too many services, too many options. Please stop making new content suites.
I really wish people stop making claims about what they don't know. SOME markets for Comcast have a bandwith cap and it is very few. The rest of the market is unlimited bandwidth. I would know I work for Comcast.
Barely can handle sufficient HD streaming? Comcast offers 15, 25, 50, 105 and 300 speeds so what the hell are you talking about?
plus Sony TV/Movies division is kind of ... huge. Especially their TV part is growing larger every season.
In UK we already have Vue
My first thought.
They will probably have to change the name here.
miDnIghtEr20C
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But?
Once these services have matured, and there is also a subscription model for PS Now, I could totally see discounted bundling of PS Now and Vue. The option to use it to subsidise hardware would be there too.
#TV4ThePlayers
Lys Skygge
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Hmmm....if the pricing is decent and it gets good support I would consider dropping Hulu+ for this. I will be keeping an eye on Vue.
In UK we already have Vue
I was thinking that too. If they ever bring this to the UK they'll have to change the name.
FonkyByNature
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This is how you do TV TV TV right imo, where MS missed a big opportunity in bringing it the right way.
I hope this kind of service takes off as i hate cable companies big time.
Now without getting my hopes up, let's see how it goes first.
I hope this kind of service takes off as i hate cable companies big time.
Now without getting my hopes up, let's see how it goes first.