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[blainethemono]

Your doing it again, the priority wasn't greater than gaming though, but collaborated better then before for all entertainment needs, and the multitasking/OS features were to enrich gaming, by ensuring your ready to play no matter what other entertainment options your engaged with, its always been a gaming machine first. Its no point arguing about method of introduction as its clear now that Sony was always focused on TV, which is fine as I encourage it, but people are calling them and fans out because this was used as a critism against MS (listen here) for allocating resources in this area, now you can't change your tune all of a sudden.

again, it seems like there really shouldn't even be a comparison between these two things

even as someone who spends a lot more time watching TV than playing games, when those MS tv features were first revealed, I had absolutely zero interest in them. the concept of plugging my cable box into a console and controlling it through voice commands and snapping back and forth between that and a game seemed absolutely useless to me

this is completely different from introducing an actual streaming tv service, which is actually interesting and could be a game changer. doesn't really matter who does it, because as long as they do it right, they have my attention

 

[driver116]

Why are people comparing this to the XB1 fiasco? It was always a matter of priorities.

XB1:
Priority 1: TV
Priority 2: Gaming

PS4:
Priority 1: Gaming
Priority 2: TV

 

[Melchiah]

Your doing it again, the priority wasn't greater than gaming though, but collaborated better then before for all entertainment needs, and the multitasking/OS features were to enrich gaming, by ensuring your ready to play no matter what other entertainment options your engaged with, its always been a gaming machine first. Its no point arguing about method of introduction as its clear now that Sony was always focused on TV, which is fine as I encourage it, but people are calling them and fans out because this was used as a critism against MS (listen here) for allocating resources in this area, now you can't change your tune all of a sudden.

The thing is, the media features aren't obstructing gaming on the PS4, and there was no Kinect-like equipment precented at launch, which would take away precious hardware resources and increase the entry cost whether you wanted the mandatory add-on or not.

I say it again, the PS platform has been about games and media from day one, that's for two decades now.
EDIT: Arguably more so than the XB platform, considering that you needed to buy a remote for the original XB to unlock DVD playback, and buy a HD-DVD add-on for the 360. Whereas on the PS2/3 those were available for all without extra cost.

 

[serversurfer]

PSTV - $99, free with a 12 month subscription to "x" pack. That is the true purpose of PSTV, not to somehow make the Vita a viable platform.

Quoted, in case anyone missed it.

A $99 box that automatically records everything that's ever on and costs half as much as cable? That's gonna be huge.

 

[jtm33]

Quoted, in case anyone missed it.

A $99 box that automatically records everything that's ever on and costs half as much as cable? That's gonna be huge.

Wait, how will this halve the cost of a TV subscription? What's the incentive of the TV providers to reduce their subscription costs in this case?

 

[Pankratous]

Is this for US only?

 

[Leb]

Wait, how will this halve the cost of a TV subscription? What's the incentive of the TV providers to reduce their subscription costs in this case?

Well, at present, anyways, there's only half as much content. Or rather a lot less, compared to your typical (expensive) digital cable package.

 

[driver116]

Is this for US only?

I'd say so.

To think Microsoft sold their IPTV business - when it's pretty much the future of TV.

 

[jtm33]

Well, at present, anyways, there's only half as much content. Or rather a lot less, compared to your typical (expensive) digital cable package.

I see.

I guess I am struggling to find the useful context to this service? If TV providers already offer an online-only subscription to their content that you can view on a Playstation or Xbox then what features does this provide? I can already pay an (expensive) TV subscription that provides some on-demand content and live viewing and viewing on my TV through applications.

 

[serversurfer]

Wait, how will this halve the cost of a TV subscription? What's the incentive of the TV providers to reduce their subscription costs in this case?

When you pay Charter or Comcast or whomever, they're paying a lot of that money to Disney and NBC, yes, but they're also keeping a sizable chunk for themselves. Partly because they have little competition, and partly because they need to build a lot of infrastructure to deliver the content in the first place.

Sony rely on the customer to provide their own network connection, so Sony don't need to cover the costs of building and maintaining all of that stuff. Also, companies like Fox and NBC may not be happy with Big Cable's stranglehold on content delivery, so they may give favorable rates to Sony just to shake things up.

But basically, Sony's costs will just be lower, so it's likely their prices will be too, especially since they'll need to give users a compelling reason to get rid of cable in the first place. People fear change, so that's not always easy to do. This could be an amazing service, but if the price isn't right, no one will even try it to find out just how amazing it was. Sony know this.

 

[Az987]

I hope last months reports about the pricing weren't true.

They were $80 a month.

 

[the_batman]

but will there be ads? if yes, go fuck yourself.

 

[jtm33]

When you pay Charter or Comcast or whomever, they're paying a lot of that money to Disney and NBC, yes, but they're also keeping a sizable chunk for themselves. Partly because they have little competition, and partly because they need to build a lot of infrastructure to deliver the content in the first place.

Sony rely on the customer to provide their own network connection, so Sony don't need to cover the costs of building and maintaining all of that stuff. Also, companies like Fox and NBC may not be happy with Big Cable's stranglehold on content delivery, so they may give favorable rates to Sony just to shake things up.

But basically, Sony's costs will just be lower, so it's likely their prices will be too, especially since they'll need to give users a compelling reason to get rid of cable in the first place. People fear change, so that's not always easy to do. This could be an amazing service, but if the price isn't right, no one will even try it to find out just how amazing it was. Sony know this.

Ah yep I got it, I see how conventional infrastructure related costs are reduced. But what about TV providers that already offer internet subscriptions? They already do right? I am not American but even our awful Australian pay TV provider offers an internet only subscription. How can they improve upon those kind of services where the TV provider can't?

 

[Varth]

I guess this is what Jeff_Rigby last thread was implying?

 

[Chittagong]

They can never launch with that name in UK. UK companies are the hardest trademark litigators - forced SkyDrive to become OneDrive. Vue will never let them in, it's essentially same sector.

 

[driver116]

They can never launch with that name in UK. UK companies are the hardest trademark litigators - forced SkyDrive to become OneDrive. Vue will never let them in, it's essentially same sector.

Isn't vue just the French spelling of view?

 

[drgambit]

Can view comcast networks in vue
Cant view HBO on PS because of comcast

Great logic

 

[serversurfer]

Ah yep I got it, I see how conventional infrastructure related costs are reduced. But what about TV providers that already offer internet subscriptions? They already do right? I am not American but even our awful Australian pay TV provider offers an internet only subscription. How can they improve upon those kind of services where the TV provider can't?

Well, in theory, the cable companies could have provided this kind of stuff, but instead of actually making it, they mostly just fought to protect their current, lucrative business model.

Now, Sony has stepped in with their expertise in all of the relevant fields, and delivered an elegant solution that requires nothing more than an Internet connection. Therefore, yes, it's likely the cable companies will be reduced to little more than the proverbial "dumb pipe" if this takes off. That's why they're pushing the Net Neutrality stuff so hard. They want to be able to charge you and/or Sony extra to be able to use "their" Internet for this sort of stuff.

Personally, I think we should just nationalize the Internet. You should get free ethernet/wi-fi/cellular services as part of paying your taxes, IMHO. Unfettered Internet access should be as common as clean drinking water.

 

[jts]

And still no remote smh.

 

[jtm33]

Well, in theory, the cable companies could have provided this kind of stuff, but instead of actually making it, they mostly just fought to protect their current, lucrative business model.

Now, Sony has stepped in with their expertise in all of the relevant fields, and delivered an elegant solution that requires nothing more than an Internet connection. Therefore, yes, it's likely the cable companies will be reduced to little more than the proverbial "dumb pipe" if this takes off. That's why they're pushing the Net Neutrality stuff so hard. They want to be able to charge you and/or Sony extra to be able to use "their" Internet for this sort of stuff.

Personally, I think we should just nationalize the Internet. You should get free ethernet/wi-fi/cellular services as part of paying your taxes, IMHO. Unfettered Internet access should be as common as clean drinking water.

I just don't know why they would agree to do this when they could do it themselves with presumably more control. Is stuff like Foxtel Play non-existent in America? I mean I'm not saying Foxtel Play is a shining example of innovation, it is expensive and SD only but since it comes from the TV provider there's no incentive to give that away to Sony.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I hope last months reports about the pricing weren't true.

They were $80 a month.

Source? That seems rather expensive for what's on offer.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Personally, I think we should just nationalize the Internet. You should get free ethernet/wi-fi/cellular services as part of paying your taxes, IMHO. Unfettered Internet access should be as common as clean drinking water.

Well clean drinking water isn't free, I have a water bill that I pay every month.

I understand your point though, the Internet should be considered utility and regulated as such.

 

[Lionheart]

but will there be ads? if yes, go fuck yourself.

I'm sure there'll be ads on the live broadcasts.

 

[Percy]

Not sure why this is Playstation branded at all.

Andrew House
"This is an opportunity, in my view, to fulfill a longer goal of transforming what was in the past a dedicated game device into a proper entertainment hub," he told Bloomberg.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-a-new-cloud-based-tv-service-for-ps4-and-ps3

So, not 4thegamer after all.

Don Matrick must be feeling pretty butt hurt.

You should do an article about how much it saddens you and then start a thread linking to it.

 

[leadbelly]

So this was Sony's true plan? Guess all the people laughing at MS about TV TV TV need to eat some crow.

What the hell are you talking about? It was never really about Microsoft having those features, it was to do with Microsoft's messaging. They chose to focus on TV at the reveal. This was the first showing of the Xbox One, and they spent the whole time talking about TV. They were speaking to the completely wrong audience. It was the hardcore gamers out there that were more likely to buy the thing at launch, and yet their messaging implied that they were not really focused on them. Microsoft also has a bit of a history of ignoring their core as well. They did it with Kinect if you remember, where their whole focus switched to the casual crowd.

Sony on the other hand emphasised throughout their reveal conference that this was a console for the gamer. That they will continue to deliver interesting titles for their core audience. What you seem to have forgotten is that in their second conference they devoted a section to exactly these types of features. Everyone knew the PS4 would have them, it is only natural that Sony was going to try and match the competition, the difference is, they said the right things to the right people and at the right time, i.e. the core audience.

 

[serversurfer]

I just don't know why they would agree to do this when they could do it themselves with presumably more control. Is stuff like Foxtel Play non-existent in America? I mean I'm not saying Foxtel Play is a shining example of innovation, it is expensive and SD only but since it comes from the TV provider there's no incentive to give that away to Sony.

Sorry, but you don't know why who would agree to it? The cable companies? They're not agreeing to it. They're being eliminated from the equation. Sony will kinda be like your cable company instead of Comcast.

Well clean drinking water isn't free, I have a water bill that I pay every month.

I understand your point though, the Internet should be considered utility and regulated as such.

Well, yeah, like water and electricity, the service could still be metered or whatever. I just think it should be provided at-cost by the government, rather than at-the-highest-price-that-doesn't-cause-riots by the "competitors" we have now.

 

[GeoramA]

Damn, out of nowhere too. Can't wait to get rid of cable and this is another step towards that.

 

[Footos22]

Massive reveal.

I really hope they can get a deal done for the UK as well, but I highly doubt Sky will play ball with Sony and without their channels it would make the whole enterprise a bit useless over here.

Hopefully TW and Disney see the light as well over the next year or so and add their services as well. Cord cutters are about to go into a golden age in the US. I would love to get rid of my Sky subscription, but there is nothing like PSVue over here, Netflix is the only good VoD service.

What surprised me is how comprehensive Sony's content offering is, they even have Fox Sports lined up, if they can get Disney/ESPN on board then it would be a massive deal for sports watchers in the US.



Cable companies would be able to charge Sony for the bandwidth, which would get rolled into the subscription fee. The reason cable companies are so adamant about getting rid of NN is because they know as soon as services like this are launched cord cutters become a massive threat to their business model so they need to be able to charge more for the bandwidth they provide by selling it to companies like Sony and Netflix (competitors) at higher rates than they would for others. They could easily add $10-15 on to the price of this subscription per month plus $5 for Netflix and essentially throttle access to them if the customer/VoD company doesn't pay up.

Amazon prime is my go to service atm especially for the amount they update the content.
almost everyday there is new movies added and their exclusive series are also really good

 

[jtm33]

Sorry, but you don't know why who would agree to it? The cable companies? They're not agreeing to it. They're being eliminated from the equation. Sony will kinda be like your cable company instead of Comcast.

Oh right I see. Of course in America since you have multiple TV providers each provider is unlikely to lock up exclusive rights to a channel or other content because it will be better business for rights holders to licence content to every provider. That's the situation yeah? So Sony will just be another group licensing content.

Will be interesting to see if they try to do this overseas where subscription TV markets are very different.

 

[Occam]

I know that Americans feel that the whole world doesn't exist outside of the US of A but really. The thread title should read.

"Sony reveals PlayStation Vue streaming service in the US only"

It's completely useless to the rest of us.

That's actually a good point. I've often noticed that many Americans seem to think of America as "the world" and tend to forget that the internet in general (and this forum in specific) is international.

 

[lighthouse777]

I read about this but as House said this is designed for Young Men

quote
House says that Sony has 35 million PS3 and PS4 devices in active circulation, the potential market for Vue. These are largely young men who stream two hours of video content a day and tend to pay for the largest cable packages

http://www.businessweek.com/article...ue-sony-brings-internet-tv-to-the-playstation


I am not a young man, in fact I am not male
so it seems their focus is for gamers, basically men [20's ish]

not for families or women

 

[boredandlazy]

I read about this but as House said this is designed for Young Men

quote
House says that Sony has 35 million PS3 and PS4 devices in active circulation, the potential market for Vue. These are largely young men who stream two hours of video content a day and tend to pay for the largest cable packages

http://www.businessweek.com/article...ue-sony-brings-internet-tv-to-the-playstation


I am not a young man, in fact I am not male
so it seems their focus is for gamers, basically men [20's ish]

not for families or women

Who cares what they say their focus is? If it comes and has the content you want, does it matter?

 

[shink]

And still no remote smh.

I can see them making an app remote instead.

 

[Impeccable]

I am not a young man, in fact I am not male
so it seems their focus is for gamers, basically men [20's ish]

not for families or women

All products every created in the history of products have a target demographic. It doesn't mean a product can't appeal to people outside that target.

 

[leadbelly]

It was so clear even back then that it's absolutely shocking that so many people bought the whole #4TheGamers crap. One of the most successful gaming marketing campaigns ever IMO. Microsoft and Sony are competing in the same markets with a bit of variability in approach but just as we've seen PS+ and XBL begin to converge as services, we will see their roadmaps play out very similar.

How was it so clear? I don't get this at all.

Sony went through the whole of last generation delivering interesting exclusive titles, and right up until the end. Microsoft on the other hand, devoted whole sections of their conferences later on to kids fucking hand waving to shit, in one big "fuck you!" to the people that bought in right at the beginning. Sony had these types of features on the PS3 as well, yet it didn't stop them continuing to deliver titles. There was absolutely no indication that they wouldn't do the same this time, so I struggle to understand where you have gotten this impression.

 

[Seanspeed]

Why are people comparing this to the XB1 fiasco? It was always a matter of priorities.

XB1:
Priority 1: TV
Priority 2: Gaming

PS4:
Priority 1: Gaming
Priority 2: TV

XB1's top priority was/is not TV.

Just because a lot of people say it doesn't make it true.

Both consoles have put gaming 1st so far.

 

[ascii42]

Hmmmm, I know Playstation is a strong brand for Sony but I partly question it to put their TV streaming service under that brand.

Also, I had hoped we had gotten past tacky spelling.

Vue is a french word.

 

[serversurfer]

I read about this but as House said this is designed for Young Men

quote
House says that Sony has 35 million PS3 and PS4 devices in active circulation, the potential market for Vue. These are largely young men who stream two hours of video content a day and tend to pay for the largest cable packages

http://www.businessweek.com/article...ue-sony-brings-internet-tv-to-the-playstation


I am not a young man, in fact I am not male
so it seems their focus is for gamers, basically men [20's ish]

not for families or women

Sorry, but I think you're reading way too much in to that statistic. He's simply saying they have a "built in" audience of active streamers already, and beyond that, he goes on to say he thinks the service will appeal to everyone, because it's just TV, but better.

 

[spwolf]

Watching anything from past 3 days is amazing.... I have that in Europe on some channels and it has been great for live shows, can't watch TV without it anymore. But fuckers limit some channels here, so I watch those less, funny how that works.

It's coming this month to ps4 and ps3 in NYC, so it's here basically.

 

[leadbelly]

Both consoles have put gaming 1st so far.

They have. Considering how much of a fuck up the launch of the Xbox One was, you'd think they would be bending over backwards to insure they have good exclusive titles throughout the whole generation. You'd think so anyway.

The Xbox 360 started off really well too. They had some decent exclusive titles for the first couple of years. It did seem to drop off later on though as they tried to focus more on the casual crowd. I think that is what people feared after the launch conference for the Xbox One. It seemed like the writing was on the wall.

 

[gofreak]

XB1's top priority was/is not TV.

Just because a lot of people say it doesn't make it true.

Both consoles have put gaming 1st so far.

It's debatable if it was quite the same priority though. If games was #1 for Microsoft, I don't think the original hardware design put it quite so high a #1 above 'other things'. Various hardware decisions that compromised its capability as a games device seemed to be motivated by other interests. From long before the reveals, actually, the talk about the next XB highlighted that - that the next gen wasn't going to be just about games, but all these other services. Games may have been #1 for MS but it wasn't quite as overriding an input in some of their design choices.

 

[stryke]

XB1's top priority was/is not TV.

Just because a lot of people say it doesn't make it true.

Both consoles have put gaming 1st so far.

Well, MS did at least try to say it as much as they could -

http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

 

[Mikeside]

My only issue with Microsoft's approach to this was how much they wanted to talk about it at a games conference.

Hope this stuff gets brought over to the UK soon

 

[EricTheCleric]

this will never ever appear in Scandinavia. Ill bet 10000€ on it.

We are still waiting for the Playstation TV-service that was promised 5 (or more) years ago.

 

[driver116]

The past three days of popular programming will be available without the need to schedule recordings.

Sounds pretty good.

 

[DOWN]

Well, MS did at least try to say it as much as they could -

http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

His face looks so delicate like a 3 legged papillon dog

 

[SmokyDave]

My first reaction was that this was a shit idea.

My current reaction is that this is a really shit idea.

I think making AAA games for the Vita might make more sense than this. Hell, re-launching Minidisc might make more sense.

 

[driver116]

XB1's top priority was/is not TV.

Just because a lot of people say it doesn't make it true.

Both consoles have put gaming 1st so far.

Nobody knows except the management inside. But from a consumer perspective (at least mine) the Xbox was all about TV when it was revealed. Since then the priority has changed.

 

[@Wreck]

this might be what i have been waiting for

 

[spwolf]

It's debatable if it was quite the same priority though. If games was #1 for Microsoft, I don't think the original hardware design put it quite so high a #1 above 'other things'. Various hardware decisions that compromised its capability as a games device seemed to be motivated by other interests. From long before the reveals, actually, the talk about the next XB highlighted that - that the next gen wasn't going to be just about games, but all these other services. Games may have been #1 for MS but it wasn't quite as overriding an input in some of their design choices.

yep, there is a large difference here... XB1's hardware was designed to work with cable boxes, while Sony is adding over the top TV service to every device they can, without any dedicated hardware.

Obviously they will add it first to PS4 and PS3, and then to iPad... it would be quite silly if Sony TV service appears on iPad first.