OldJadedGamer
Banned
The PS3 dropped in price at its first E3 and it was released only a month before the Vita did (in Japan). Also Vita came out in December. So PS3 got its first drop after 7 months and Vita is now at the 6 month mark.
Sony says no to PS Vita price cut
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The PS3 dropped in price at its first E3 and it was released only a month before the Vita did (in Japan). Also Vita came out in December. So PS3 got its first drop after 7 months and Vita is now at the 6 month mark.
AgentP
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Duh
Of course they are not going to talk about a price cut, until they do it, which will be this holiday season at the earliest. Right now they are making great profit margins on low volume, they will then switch to low margins on high volume. They already projected 10m sales, they have a plan.
Of course they are not going to talk about a price cut, until they do it, which will be this holiday season at the earliest. Right now they are making great profit margins on low volume, they will then switch to low margins on high volume. They already projected 10m sales, they have a plan.
Shai-Tan
Banned
They don't only need games. This is a device with friends and chat in separate apps. It's retarded. And the value add of apps is abysmal. Maps is not an app anyone would use (it can't even scroll properly), the browser is substandard at best, the usability of Near terrible, an operating system that aggressively disconnects the user from the internet to the point doing anything makes the user wait like 10 seconds for it to make a connection which also makes push notifications impossible. Again releasing a product without sufficient memory to do basic things you would expect. They leave memory so that you can do cross game chat (except for the numerous games that force the user to disconnect from the network) but not memory to run a browser. Then they make all "online" apps into pull applications which shows they not only made major mistakes with the hardware again but also the incompetence of the software engineering to find a solution.
get2sammyb
Member
The funny thing is, for all the people pissing on Wonderbook (and I agree the demo went on for too long), it's mainstream news in some newspapers here in the UK today.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
And the Vita isn't.
The Wonderbook thing really speaks volumes for showing how much Vita meant to them.
no it didn't.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Blindly stumbling around in the dark isn't a strategy.
get2sammyb
Member
True, but that's such a bullshit stance to take. Obviously it would be ideal if both Vita and Wonderbook were mainstream news, but sometimes you have to hedge your bets. I get why people are pissed off, I really do. But, y'know, I'm just pointing out that having an emphasis on that product (which I realise steps outside of the GAF demographic) is having a more positive impact than is being portrayed here.
I don't think there would have been any harm in making the conference 15 minutes longer to show off Vita stuff. The reality is, I don't think it's ready yet. I know it's a scary prospect, but Sony put a ton of resources into that launch line-up. Teams like Sony Bend haven't had time to work on the next game yet.
Personally, I think they should have staggered the launch line-up. That way, they'd have had more time to properly cook some of the rushed titles (ModNation Racers, Resistance: Burning Skies).
Hindsight is a brilliant thing, though.
Opus Angelorum
Member
lol
we.are.the.armada
Member
They need killer apps for every demographic before price cut.
Damn, I wonder why Sony is so confident about this thing. Perhaps lackadaisical as well.
Damn, I wonder why Sony is so confident about this thing. Perhaps lackadaisical as well.
Xenon
Member
HEY, that reminds me. Did we ever get out GBA games?
Yeah, yesterday I finally finished Fire Emblem too, the only game I really wanted, while the rest are still basically unplayed :\
I wonder what's taking Nintendo so long to update the titles they've given us. They updated Mario and Metroid if I remember correctly, though I really haven't played the others so who knows.
What's funny? I shouldn't be feel burned for buying a 3DS on launch and getting a price cut four months later?
And no matter what they announced for Vita that wouldn't have happened. E3 pressers can go mainstream if they have the right content, which is why Sony opted for Wonderbook over Vita etc..
I'd expect a WiFi Vita + Uncharted + 4GB memory card bundle announced in the next few months, at the $250 price point. Not a "price cut" but a "free game and card!" bundle. Then the same kind of bundle for AC3:L. Shortly after the new year they'll probably follow that up with a $50 price cut and drop the game (keeping the memory card).
The built up stock of 4GB cards won't move with new systems and Sony will just turn them into a sunk cost add on.
By Holiday 2013 the $200 Vita will probably then get bundled with another game for more "added value".
people was saying wait until e3 for games, now they are saying keep the price where it is because....i don't even get this logic.
The hardware is doing poorly, price cut is a must. proves that no one will pay that price for a handheld.... just look at the 3ds.
cut that shit to 150 and 200 wifi/3g and see how much they will sell.
The hardware is doing poorly, price cut is a must. proves that no one will pay that price for a handheld.... just look at the 3ds.
cut that shit to 150 and 200 wifi/3g and see how much they will sell.
The Vita's success will be won first and foremost in Japan, that place that still likes handhelds.
I expect a price cut at the Tokyo Game Show, which gives the system a chance to beef up its library and (hopefully) announce some big games. The best we'll get for the time being is a bundle with a game or a memory card.
A price cut now runs the risk of running out of steam or falling on a market that doesn't even care, which Sony would want to avoid considering they're still making money on them. A price cut around the holidays allows them to sell an even stronger system to a hungrier holiday market. It just seems like a better plan than doing it now.
As for E3 I have no idea what they were doing, but I sure hope Wonderbook was worth alienating the fans who've been supporting their handheld.
I expect a price cut at the Tokyo Game Show, which gives the system a chance to beef up its library and (hopefully) announce some big games. The best we'll get for the time being is a bundle with a game or a memory card.
A price cut now runs the risk of running out of steam or falling on a market that doesn't even care, which Sony would want to avoid considering they're still making money on them. A price cut around the holidays allows them to sell an even stronger system to a hungrier holiday market. It just seems like a better plan than doing it now.
As for E3 I have no idea what they were doing, but I sure hope Wonderbook was worth alienating the fans who've been supporting their handheld.
balladofwindfishes
Member
but the system wasn't priced right. If it was, it would be selling better.
I'm still trying to figure out how 250 dollars for a handheld is worth anything. At that price point it's not only competing with the 3DS at half the price, but also similarly priced e-readers, smart phones and for just a bit more, a proper tablet. It's priced out of its own market as a gaming device.
If Sony is unable to turn a profit selling it at any lower than they have a real problem on their hands, because consumers have already spoken that they don't think the device is worth 250 dollars, and I don't think your mythical 100 dollar price drop down to 300 would have down anything at all for sales. 300 dollars doesn't magically become a smaller amount of money just because the previous amount was so ridiculous.
Think of it this way. The PS3 is 300 dollars. The Vita is 250 dollars, with lesser specs. The Vita right now is about 75% PS3 ports, the other 20% being spin offs of PS3 games, with 5% being unique games. So... why would you buy a Vita when you can just buy a PS3 and get all the experiences, plus way more, with nicer graphics and a huge library?
But if it offered a PS3 like experience at 175, or even 150, then it would be a good value. Those who couldn't afford a PS3 could get a Vita and experience some of the PS3 without the huge upfront cost.
3ds says hi. That shit was fucking dying last year and they cut it around the summer of last year.
so why isn't psvita not selling? oh wait, no games.... A price cut will sell this console. that will be a fact. no way of spinning it any other way.
Yeah because PSP had so many amazing games the first year it was out, right? The only good games it had were Metal Gear Ac!d, Twisted Metal, and maybe Wipeout. At least Vita had a better launch window than 3DS did. Consumers just don't want a Vita I guess, a price cut will help of course but for how long?
Glorified G
Member
Software & price go hand in hand. Software is not going to move the system if it's still overpriced. I still think there will be a price drop in the fall.
XOMTOR
Member
Actually it's worse, here in Canada the PS3 is $249.99 and is usually bundled with a game.
First post is spot on. It needs system sellers and a price cut otherwise the world will keep saying no.
Same scenario happened with DS and Gamecube, it also happened with PSP and PS2, I really don't see your point.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I'd bet on price cut at Gamescom. Price cut to 199 + bundled 4 GB w/ some game and a free month of PS+ (assuming you know they actually make that even somewhat relevant on the Vita).
They should do it at Vita Game Heaven 2 though later this month just for kicks. Nobody would see it coming since the first one was so awful and rightfully nobody wants to see it again.
They should do it at Vita Game Heaven 2 though later this month just for kicks. Nobody would see it coming since the first one was so awful and rightfully nobody wants to see it again.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
PSP launched in December of 2004 in Japan for 19,000 yen which at the time translated to $190 USD. Other regions were forced an overpriced "value pack" at $250. Sony didn't really drop the price, they just stopped forcing the value pack and offered just the core system like they did from the start of the Japanese launch.
PSP was the most popular in the region where it was sold at the cheapest price.
zelda 64 was in that launch window, so that alone is better then any vita game thats out right now with a hint of great nostalgia.
The psp was getting demolished by the ds too by the way. :/
staticneuron
Member
The man just said they had 25 vita games on the floor. Yet nobody is talking about that they are just mad it wasn't shown on stage.
Maybe he didn't realize that people were going to "ignore" the fact these games exists and even more titles announced before E3 and simply use the stage show to determine line up.
Gaming fans can be lazy and childish when they want to be. In a trade show for the press, the spend time demoing these games and streaming them on multiple services and people still don't know what is going on?
I really doubt the majority of people complaining on these boards care because it really isn't that hard to google a list of upcoming games and make a reasonable assessment on that.
To be fair, Ocarina of Time by itself is a bigger system seller than the entire current Vita lineup combined.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I have one game for my VITA, Uncharted Golden Abyss as a retail game, still haven't finished it
I got the VITA 3G/Wifi + 8GB + SSDD from craigslist, traded 360Elite + $100 cash
Got Superstar Dust Delta, Free, due to 3G activation
Motorstorm RC Free due to Scion Promotion
Bought Plants vs Zombies
Bought Stardrone
So since February 25th, 2012 till now I have put in roughly $220 total for VITA + Games
Nothing really out there interests me after Gravity Rush
Was looking @Resistance: Burning Skies, but the game is shallow and not worth the $40 Price Tag (5 hour campaign, no replay-abilty, online laggy/iffy), same goes for Unit 13 (no more so due to Zipper being shutdown and no more content being released for it)
Even all the titles released so far aren't these crazy amazing experiences in the palm of your hand
Most of the games so far released are PS3 releases, that pad up the numbers
Out of the total amount of titles released so far 10 are new IP's that aren't spin-offs/sequels/down ports
3-5 of them are JP exclusive at the moment, haven't made it to the overseas markets yet
So far we in NA have Unit 13, Army Corps of Hell, Escape Plan, Little Deviants, Welcome Park, and Gravity Rush/Daze (Next Week!) as new IP's only for VITA
Everything else can be found on PS3/PSN/Competitors
That is it, 6 by next week, games that are new/fresh
I got the VITA 3G/Wifi + 8GB + SSDD from craigslist, traded 360Elite + $100 cash
Got Superstar Dust Delta, Free, due to 3G activation
Motorstorm RC Free due to Scion Promotion
Bought Plants vs Zombies
Bought Stardrone
So since February 25th, 2012 till now I have put in roughly $220 total for VITA + Games
Nothing really out there interests me after Gravity Rush
Was looking @Resistance: Burning Skies, but the game is shallow and not worth the $40 Price Tag (5 hour campaign, no replay-abilty, online laggy/iffy), same goes for Unit 13 (no more so due to Zipper being shutdown and no more content being released for it)
Even all the titles released so far aren't these crazy amazing experiences in the palm of your hand
Most of the games so far released are PS3 releases, that pad up the numbers
Out of the total amount of titles released so far 10 are new IP's that aren't spin-offs/sequels/down ports
3-5 of them are JP exclusive at the moment, haven't made it to the overseas markets yet
So far we in NA have Unit 13, Army Corps of Hell, Escape Plan, Little Deviants, Welcome Park, and Gravity Rush/Daze (Next Week!) as new IP's only for VITA
Everything else can be found on PS3/PSN/Competitors
That is it, 6 by next week, games that are new/fresh
Yet still sold 128mb memory sticks for $100 and 32mb for like $60
Also, I'm probably speaking out of my ass now so please tell me if I'm wrong but does the sudden strengthening of the Yen have any effect as to why Sony launched the Vita at a higher price than PSP?
Read the last NPD thread up. Last months ASP´s were actually higher for PSV than PS3...
Huge mistake skipping that game. It's great.
its the same map layout over and over again...disappointing game. had high hopes for it.
If nothing interests you, the Playstation brand is probably not right for you, I would think. PS2 era Playstation, maybe, but the brand has been pretty different in the past several years. And, yeah, there hasn't been a huge amount of new IPs, but that's not uncommon. I mean, how many new IPs were there in the first few months of the 3DS's lifespan? (I guess it could be more, since I wasn't following 3DS as much back then, but it doesn't seem like there were a lot.)
I'm so glad I didn't buy a PS Vita. It seems like too big of an investment due to high price and low supply of games. (Uncharted was the only one I was interested in)
I was thinking about maybe getting one after E3 if they announced a price cut or unveiled several new games, but because neither were present I was more than happy enough to keep my wallet closed tightly.
I was thinking about maybe getting one after E3 if they announced a price cut or unveiled several new games, but because neither were present I was more than happy enough to keep my wallet closed tightly.
I much prefer original games than an N64 port. In fact, I prefer console ports I haven't played than a game that's been ported on every nintendo console after its initial launch, except DS. But that's all a matter of opinion. In my case, I prefer Gravity Rush over Zelda 3DS, not because its a better game but because its something new and refreshing. Again, not saying its a better game.
70 million for a handheld is not bad, and anyone who tries to use DS sales just wants to put the PSP down. The Gameboy Advance sold 80 million, was that a failure too? Original gameboy sold 64 million and Gameboy Color seems to have sold 55 million. Were those failures? of course not. Sony did great for being its first handheld.
Also, Nintendo won't announce a 3DSXL until 3DS sales stop dropping, when they announce it there will be a sudden boost of sales and probably get lower to the same sales the 3DS was selling at, but yeah it'll get a big boost at first, but it doesn't mean it's going to be the death of the Vita, could be but we won't know.
staticneuron
Member
The PSP has sold 70 million units. It has not reached 20 million LTD in Japan yet. I doubt it is the most popular on Japan. It is probably more relevant in Japan but it is obvious the bulk of the sales came from another region.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Not skipping it, waiting for price drop on it
$40 for a 1 week shoot-fest isn't that appealing to me
I know the HVT is cool thing, but no Zipper = no more content regarding HVT being added, or maybe I missed news on this and someone else taking over
That is what is one of the main points of a handheld game, replay-ability
Get in get some shit done, repeat ad nauseum
Most games on the VITA don't feel like that, or in a sense your "Money's Worth"
I don't think it's overpriced, I think it's just a bad product as it currently stands.
Baconsammy
Banned
Yeah, Sony managed to kill my interest in social gaming on a handheld. It keeps popping open new apps every single time I want to see a friend, or his trophy list etc etc. Piss-poor design. So now my Vita's wifi is disabled and I don't give a shit about my friends or what they're doing. Sony killed my online gaming buzz.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Interest for me means Hyped for
I'm not dropping/selling my VITA, the trophy whore in me disallows it
I was itching for Dragon's Crown/Warrior's Lair, but those have been hushed away till 2013
I game ridiculously on my PS3, Trophy Whoring/Content Absorbing Galore
Just wish VITA would try to bolster itself as it's own medium with it's own titles, not piggy back off PS3 from the get go