EverydayBeast
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Free online was ps3’s most important part.
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Sony should release online multiplayer from PS plus and make it free
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Guess they could, but I doubt they will.
Faithless83
Banned
Why would they? Even nintendo charges for that POS.
Charge and make it work. PS3 era PSN wasn't great.
Charge and make it work. PS3 era PSN wasn't great.
Uhm Ms is building, with gamepass, a user base that is not forced to pay to access multiplayer so I suppose they have a target on the number of users they want to reach before deleting the Live Gold. On the contrary, Sony does not have a service that can make up for the lack of ps + and we know that most users pay because they are forced by the need to be able to access multiplayer ... so I do not think it is in a position to be able to make it free unless they want to give up a huge amount of money.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
PC
yurinka
Member
I have no idea of the server costs for online MP, but must be huge. We also have to consider that in addition to this they have to pay server costs of the matches but also the matchmaking, lobbies, friend invites, any type of chat, shareplay, sending screenshots and videos to social networks, achievements, cloud saves and so on. Specially since we're talking about a scale of over 100M MAU this is a shit ton of money. Someone has to pay it. To make the payment more appealing they also bundled some games there.
A few years ago they did a survey where the results were public after voting. As I remember the top reason, with over 40% of the votes to keep subscribed was the monthly games. MP was as I remember the 2nd with around 20% or so. I think the subs would drop, but not much specially now that the games included there are (supposed) going to be more appealing. Think also that many players don't play online multiplayer.
I think the new PS+ will highly increase their subs and specially the ARPU, so I assume it will highly increase its revenue and who knows if profitability too. If it ends being so profitable, and Discord is the one handling and paying the costs of text, audio and video chat they could consider to make online MP free. But still, I'm not sure.
I suggest you to call Sony and tell them you'll pay them several millions per month to cover the costs of making the MP free for the rest of the players who knows, you may get lucky and they may accept. Oh, and please do the same to make PS5 hardware free to the rest of the players, pay Sony all the costs of manufacturing, disributing and marketing it and they may distribute it for free.
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Physiognomonics
Member
You forgot the free gift card every year
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's in the cost of the sub. Just like PSNow subs didn't have to "pay for multiplayer" either.
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RCU005
Member
It’s the same fucking bullshit like airlines charging you for luggage; but it’s the same purpose, to milk every consumer for their last penny.
Also, maybe that’s why Sony’s most successful games are single player cinematic experiences?
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Mr Hyde
Member
What's with the cunty attitude?
This makes no sense to me, why would people want it if not for that? I say this as someone who has had PS+ almost since launch, and I have not played even one second of MP. There can't be too many people like me. Incidentally, I got it for cloud saves, after my OG PS3 had the YLOD and I lost all my saves. I am way too lazy to try to manually backup saves.
psnow is like gamepass but unfortunately for Sony it was a complete failure. If I made multiplayer free, the vast majority of ps + users would stop paying and Sony would be left with what in hand?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You still don't get it, lol.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Not on PC thankfully. MS tried and failed with their initial GFWL push.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
no pls explain what did you mean
sainraja
Member
Yup. With MS, you use to have to pay to play F2P games and let's not forget you also needed XBL Gold to watch Netflix on your Xbox. Good thing they don't do that anymore but it definitely took them a while to stop doing it.
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He means when you pay $180 for gamepass the cost of the online multiplayer is in the GP sub. Just as if you were to get PS+ extra or PS+ Premium for $100 you don't need to pay for multiplayer.
They are one and the same. So when you say
"With gamepass MS are building a user base that is not forced to pay to access multiplayer"
It's plain bullshit.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This isn't a console war dick measure.
Xbox has Live/Gold, Sony has Plus
Sony did not charge for a separate multiplayer fee in the Now sub, because it was already factored in (minus Plus games)
MS doesn't charge in Game Pass, because it is already factored in (minus Gold games)
Sony is streamlining Now into Plus so it's 3 tiers, multiplayer already factored in all 3
MS too technically has the same 3 tiers as well, outside of Live/Gold being the outlier in naming convention only
Neither one of them is giving up the economical baseline multiplayer (with monthly games), since traditionally and historically rental/streaming like services (the more expensive tiers) go up in price over time to keep up with rising costs of securing content, and lesser software sales. The economical multiplayer entry will always be there unless one of them becomes a publisher only, and no longer has its own walled garden.
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Miles708
Member
How's that not a fair reason?
At least, at the VERY LEAST, make it free if you only use it like 3 hours a month.
Captain Toad
Banned
I never got that. PS3 wasn't that bad. It worked fine enough. A system wide chat party option would have been nice, but it's not as if it was equivalent to Nintendo or anything.
But, it didn't matter. Being free while Xbox was paid really made little difference. There's no reason they would ever go back.
nominedomine
Banned
Too bad people saw it as a disadvantage. To this day people still praise the 360 live gold as if it was something truly special, I don't get it. All I care about are the game servers and I could never tell the difference be it on PC, Xbox or PlayStation.
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why you pulling me in your console war because you feel to defend your console of choice?? I'm just explaining that Sony and Ms they are today in a very different position from each other
no one would pay for live gold (6.99) or ps+ essential (6.99) if multiplayer was free
But Ms would still have those 25m subs of gamepass...the worst thing that could happen is that all gamepass users give up on Ultimate (losing PC and xcloud games) and returned to the basic tier because multiplayer would be free , but that does not change the gamepass subscribers are there for the GamePass not for the multiplayer because otherwise they would buy the much cheaper Live Gold.. Another matter is ps + ... we know well that psnow only had almost 3 million subs after years and years....ps+ extra is basically multiplayer + psnow so don't get upset if I say that if you made PS + multiplayer free, you would lose the vast majority of users.
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I'm not talking about ultimate read my other post
Hari Seldon
Member
If PS wants to capture a large multiplayer audience that is comparable to PC then it absolutely has to. If it just wants a steady stream of cash based on the existing consumer base, then leave it be. It is another business decision between growth or profits.
Edit: Fuck I said the same thing earlier in this thread lol.
Edit: Fuck I said the same thing earlier in this thread lol.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
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it is what it is
You’re talking about “what if” scenarios. I’m talking about reality.
SkylineRKR
Member
I liked it.
PS3 was a shitty system for a lot of reasons, but what I liked was that buying the system was a done deal. I chucked an aftermarket SATA in it, and played online for 6 years. Never was forced to buy a sub just to do it, and never had to buy licensed trash for storage down the line either. Used it until I bought a PS4.
It might be shitty in retrospect, but the most fun I had online up until now were nights of Battlefield BC2 and the such with friends on PSN.
onnextflix5
Member
Not gonna happen, not even ms are stupid enough do it. If ur gona blame anyone, it should be ms, they are the ones who came up with the paid online garbage.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
The PS3 wasn't shitty at all.
The only shitty thing about it was the lack of HW managed caches on the CPU and the trouble that made for devs at the beginning (but once the middleware became advanced enough even that was a none issue), and the GPU's lack of unified shader architecture which was the fault of NVidia withholding their latest tech from Sony at the time (and even that was invisible to the end user).
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Sure. Let me communicate your brilliant idea to my uncle, who is a Sony Shareholder.
Does he also work at Nintendo?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
He did. How do you know?!
Captain Toad
Banned
It's not though. Right now people see Gold as mandatory because they "need" online functionality. So, GamePass isn't $120 to them, it's a $60 upgrade.
If you make online free, there will people who would otherwise upgrade to GP, that would instead just take the free option.
We can debate how many people that it is, but it's significant enough that MS isn't going to go free online, despite really only caring about total GP numbers now.
Azurro
Banned
Are you seriously suggesting this as a possibility? What are you going to ask Santa Claus for this year?
Mr Hyde
Member
That he skips your house so you don't get any presents.
John Wick
Member
PSNow when launched was nothing like GP. It only had streaming options. Downloads was added after. Stop calling PSNow a failure because Sony hardly spent anything on it.
How many people do you think would subscribe to Xcloud without GP or multiplayer eh? Your doing your usual Xgoon moving the goal posts shit. Try comparing like for like and not trying to be clever.
anothertech
Member
On the contrary, they should start charging an additional fee per hour of use. The plus membership should only cover the ability to access online. They're losing billions by not charging us for use time.
Oh, and amount of power used by the console. Maybe an amperage wheel should be designed in the consoles so they can charge an electrical fee.
Also, a premium should be charged for number of online matches won. Dopamine shouldnt be free.
MS should get on this asap so the rest of the console maker fuckers can follow suit.
Oh, and amount of power used by the console. Maybe an amperage wheel should be designed in the consoles so they can charge an electrical fee.
Also, a premium should be charged for number of online matches won. Dopamine shouldnt be free.
MS should get on this asap so the rest of the console maker fuckers can follow suit.
Chronicle
Member
I never had a problem with it as well. Once again party chat would have been a bonus but it ran great for me. No problems. I completely agree.
Chronicle
Member
Perhaps it's fair, but selfish. It's Sonys biggest cash cow and Microsoft paved the road for them. Everyone knows paid for online is what's selling the service not shit tier 'free' games.
It doesn't make sense to even ask because you're asking a company to throw away millions in basically free money. And they know, as well as I, and you, that would be the end of your ps subscription.
That's maybe because PS3 online infrastructure was pathetic compared to X360. And I'm not saying that it was okay for Microsoft to charge for online, but you had reliable and great service vs. pathetic PS3 online experience.
But Sony got their shit together and PS4 had great online infrastructure, so they got away with charging customers.
Also a prediction.
Microsoft will drop Gold paywall way sooner then Sony their Plus paywall...
ParaSeoul
Member
Never used online that much on PS3 myself but people I know who did,didn't have a lot of complaints with the actual online multiplayer.
nominedomine
Banned
Is Live reliable now 20 years later? They just had an outage that lasted almoust an entire day.
It's not like as if Sony wasn't going to get hacked in 2011 if they were charging for online back then.
Good luck for MS if they drop the paywall, it will probably have a big negative impact for Gamepass due to it being one of the main reasons people go for the Ultimate tier.
People were saying MS wanted to make Gold free last year and MS tried to raise the price instead.
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emmerrei
Member
For how much i turn on my ps4 now and in the past, i would be happy if they had like 4 hours free every month, or 1 hour at week (And it's already too much). Why i have to pay a full subscription when i don't need it? To stop people creating multiple accounts just put as required a document or a phone number, or something like that.
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