You should go a few sites back where people argued for Bloodborne and a lot of people said it is no first party game. I agree with what you are writing but this isnt only about MS.
Sony WWS output thus far.
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You should go a few sites back where people argued for Bloodborne and a lot of people said it is no first party game. I agree with what you are writing but this isnt only about MS.
Magic Mushroom
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How do you know Sunset is so great though? I'm looking forward to it, but its quality is unproven at this point.
Posted in the other thread...
I like their output so far:
TLOUR, Flower and sound shapes are re-releases.
silvermember
Banned
I agree OP, sony should just go bankrupt and get it over with it.
Sony games have been terrible and I too, am concern about the future of the playstation 4.
Sony games have been terrible and I too, am concern about the future of the playstation 4.
BruiserBear
Banned
But even being informed consumers on this forum, why should we care exactly how that game got on that platform. As if people don't associate Ratchet & Clank with Playstation, because Sony never owned Insomniac?
IMO it seems the only reason people draw these special lines around actual games produced by studios owned by the console maker, is to make system wars arguments. At the end of the day if it's the only console I can play that game on, that's all that really matters.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
So... selective attention to reviews? There are many reviews other than Gerstmans that praise the gameplay. But I'm sure that they don't count, because they don't confirm your preconceptions.
No, you remarked after you stated it that it was last gen. The implication in such a statement is that it detracted from the value of the game in some way.
No they do not. They are not Microsoft Studio exclusive games. You are incorrect based on the premise of the thread.
We are talking about a thread stated by someone here on neogaf.com in which they remark about Sony's WWS effort. If you're going to bring up Microsoft in such a thread, then you should limit it to Microsoft Studios games. The average person does not care most likely, but that is irrelevant. You seem to constantly bring up irrelevancies to mask a particularly poor argument. You should probably stop that.
Magic Mushroom
Member
And? Not every PS4 owner has a PS3. And tell me the 60 fps doesn't improve an already great game.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Honestly I dont understand why people are so shocked (or angry). Personally from the PS1 era, Sonys first party output has mostly been style over substance.
Really, if you look back, the best platstation exclusives that played as good as they looked were made by second and third parties.
If Microsoft is guilty of bringing dudebro gaming to the forefront, Sony is guilty of bringing "experience" game too the forefront.
Nintendo and Sega have been the only hardware manufacturers that managed to both hit it out the park in both gameplay and experience.
I always wondered what Capcom would of been like as a hardware manufacturer. They up until last generation had an output that matched both sega nad nintendo.
Really, if you look back, the best platstation exclusives that played as good as they looked were made by second and third parties.
If Microsoft is guilty of bringing dudebro gaming to the forefront, Sony is guilty of bringing "experience" game too the forefront.
Nintendo and Sega have been the only hardware manufacturers that managed to both hit it out the park in both gameplay and experience.
I always wondered what Capcom would of been like as a hardware manufacturer. They up until last generation had an output that matched both sega nad nintendo.
It improves, but still not a new game.
BruiserBear
Banned
There are lots of reviews that gloss over all sorts of things. Some will tell you Knack was fun. Doesn't mean I need to take them seriously. I hold Gerstmann's opinion of racing games rather high, and just watching him attempt the drifting challenges in their quick look backed up his claims.
The real topic at hand is why is Sony investing in, and producing these games that seem to have mediocre gameplay, or just uninspired design. Because Microsoft doesn't own Insomniac and Sunset Overdrive, doesn't change the fact that in many people's eyes, that's an inspired looking game this year. Microsoft chose to invest in that game, and the same can be said for Titanfall. They saw something special, and they wrote the check needed to make it a marquee game on their platform. That's what we're really discussing here, not who owns what studio.
Bullshit argument. By your logic, Wii U is the best console that ever graced Earth thanks to the Virtual Console games and the ability to play them on the gamepad.
Begaria
Member
Those lines are kind of blurred in the first couple of years of a new gen, moreso this gen than any other gen. On Sony's behalf we have MLB '14 that's on PS4 and PS3. For these arbitrary system war argument specifications you've called out, how do we count that stacked up to the likes of Titanfall? Microsoft acted as if Titanfall was this huge Xbox One exclusive and marketed it as such, so the average person absolutely went out and got it on Xbox One due to this considering it has sold the most on Xbox One. However, it's also on Xbox 360 and PC with various graphical differences rather than content differences. I don't really see how any of this can be misconstrued.
Then we've got a game like Forza Horizon 2 which is a very different game on the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, in content and graphics. How do you tell an average person the differences in that? How do you think an average person even looks at that game? Would you consider a FH2 a Xbox One AND a Xbox 360 exclusive since they have stark differences even if they're sharing the same name?
It really throws a kink in the perception of some of these games for the average gamer.
Scully Scully Scoo
Member
output has been straight trash. post e3 2013 i was certain i was going to buy a ps4 and here i am 1 year later just bought x1. the games on ps4 are just not good enough barring tlou which i already played on my ps3.
and the upcoming titles dont instill any confidence either, the order looks like shit, bloodbourne aint my thing and uncharted feels very meh after playing tlou but its naughtydog so hoping they nail it.
i will purchase ps4 but not anytime soon
and the upcoming titles dont instill any confidence either, the order looks like shit, bloodbourne aint my thing and uncharted feels very meh after playing tlou but its naughtydog so hoping they nail it.
i will purchase ps4 but not anytime soon
Triggerhappytel
Member
Neither is the Master Chief Collection. Are we not allowed to count that as an Xbox exclusive either?
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
Baseball is huge in other parts of the world, and besides the online play MLB The Show is an amazing game. It shouldn't be overlooked.
MakeMeFeelAlive
Member
Is this any different from the past? When i got a ps4, i went in thinking that i would not have "great" sony games until years 2-3. The same thing hapeened with my ps3. There are games i enjoy on ps4, as there were on the ps3, but the big hitters for me didnt come out till later. I know ND is working on uncharted which will be great, i know that santa monica is working on something that will probably be good, gg is working on some crazy new rpg which may be crap or may be great, and who knows what else is coming down the pipeline. This is exactly where i thought it would be.
Magic Mushroom
Member
I never said it made the PS4 the best console available. The Last of Us Remastered is a PS4 title and a great one at that, that is all. It counts as much as the Master Chief Collection that has been mentioned multiple times in this thread.
Wii U is a great console by the way.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Greatness awaits OP.
I'm pretty sure it arrives with Uncharted 4, which is when I buy a PS4. Hopefully it will be cheaper then and come with Bloodbourne.
I'm pretty sure it arrives with Uncharted 4, which is when I buy a PS4. Hopefully it will be cheaper then and come with Bloodbourne.
There are other games you know.
I own both systems but it seems many people around here are ignoring that Sony's output has been abysmal so far.
Anyway, carry on .I'm out.
Begaria
Member
Honestly, 2015 looks to be the first true year of next gen greatness on the Xbox One and PS4. Sony and Microsoft from a first party perspective haven't truly brought their A game quite yet, and third parties are still mostly trapped in cross-gen development. I honestly think Microsoft jumped ahead into next gen faster than Sony by dishing out some cash to third parties to garner some exclusives and nearly abandoning the Xbox 360 in 2013 (to a lesser extent 2012) while Sony was wrapping up the PS3 in 2013 with TLOU. Sure both the PS4 and Xbox One have had good to great third party games in the first year, but nothing what looks like to be coming in 2015 all around.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Great consoles have great 3rd party support, let alone almost none like the Wii U.
Oh they can't have opinions.
publicpwnerer
Member
I'm not gonna touch that quote. It has World War 5 written all over it.
But yeah, as OP put it, very mediocre. Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive and the Master Chief Collection (although I'm not a big Halo fan anymore) are the reasons I picked up an XBO almost a week ago. If it wasn't for third party, I wouldn't have bothered with a PS4 for a while longer.
However, I know that Sony will get all the solid third party Japanese titles, e.g Disgaea / Persona etc. Sony also has the ability to pump out a "Last of Us" tier game, including the new Guerilla IP that has me intrigued.
I've always thought Sony's WWS were a little on the over-rated side. My favorite PS3 exclusives from last generation come almost entirely from their 3rd party partnerships... Heavy Rain, Journey, Resistance 3, Valkyria Chronicles, MGS4 (ok I hate this game but most don't), Yakuza 4, and of course, Demon's Souls.
I'm actually looking forward to The Order after having doubts for a while, Resogun was a solid little title, and Bloodborne and Rime both look like definite purchases as well. Again, all from 3rd party partnerships.
I'm actually looking forward to The Order after having doubts for a while, Resogun was a solid little title, and Bloodborne and Rime both look like definite purchases as well. Again, all from 3rd party partnerships.
Goodacre0081
Member
what in the fuck is this?
No remaster should be an argument in favor of the quality of a console games library.
TLOUR doesn't count.
MCC doesn't count.
WWHD doesn't count.
So if you ignore those, the exclusive PS4 line-up is very weak as of right now. 2015 should be a different story though.
sturgboski
Member
*sigh* I loved when that high up guy from Sony Europe used that game as an example of first party support for the Vita, like it was a big shining beacon showing Sony's complete faith and devotion to the device.
Anyway, it's been less than a year. Some of the games are mixed bags on both MS and Sony. Some conspiracy theorists might say it's odd how overly critical reviewers have been of Sony's output compared to MS. Sort of like the OP pointing out exclusives, making no criticisms but just saying MS has better output.
Personally, I've enjoyed all the games though some I have had loftier expectations of (such as Knack and the Order which I hope turns out awesome). Does no one remember the start of last gen or the gen before that? First wave games are surpassed by second wave games on all fronts. The same will happen here for both MS and Sony.
Like I said, nothing but clear agendas up in here.
aspiegamer
Member
Nothing must ever get in the way of console warring. NOTHING!
I kinda agree with you OP. It almost seems as if sony decided to focus on creating great hardware with easy-to-develop tools instead of delivering great games as it has been doing for the last couple of years. In their defense, it's working, don't you think? The amount of great exclusive games is not that awesome and yet, it sells very well. Don't worry, next year its going to be crazy:
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
News from Guerrilla's new IP
The tomorrow children
All third party awesomeness (The Witcher, Batman, etc.)
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
News from Guerrilla's new IP
The tomorrow children
All third party awesomeness (The Witcher, Batman, etc.)
haha.
It was only a matter of time before someone posted a thread like this one. wow, just wow.
DanteGhost
Member
I love how in Gaf third party games apparently don't exist. Has Sony 1st party titles been mediocre the first year? Yes absolutely. But there is so much to play in the console right now, that I might end up playing games like Shadow of Mordor until next month.
Just the last 2 months I have had a blast with The Last of Us: R, Fifa 15 and Pvz: Garden Warfare, all fantastic games on their own right. But fuck it they don't count because one is a port and the other 2 are third party titles. Ps4 has no games confirmed.
Just the last 2 months I have had a blast with The Last of Us: R, Fifa 15 and Pvz: Garden Warfare, all fantastic games on their own right. But fuck it they don't count because one is a port and the other 2 are third party titles. Ps4 has no games confirmed.
BruiserBear
Banned
Ultimately what people care about is what games can they play on the platforms they own. I bought a PS4 and an XB1 day one. Now give me games to play on them!
So when discussing the new consoles, I don't really care that Titanfall was on the 360 or PC. We're discussing the new consoles. I don't care that FH2 is on the 360. These things become especially true when you consider what the best platform to play these games is. In the case of Titanfall it's clearly the XB1. The game never sold well on PC, and the player base is very low. On 360 it's just ugly with a lower framerate. The game is still thriving on the XB1, and the matchmaking has never been faster. FH2 is obviously better on XB1.
So people are welcome to draw whatever lines they wish, but other people can also call them out when they do it, because generally speaking those lines only get drawn when someone is trying to push their console over another. "If we put this set of rules around the two consoles, we get this". The only real lines that matter are "what platforms do you own?"
Duxxy3
Member
Sony's 2014 lineup ended up being on the weaker side, compared to previous years. I'm not terribly surprised. There was a lot of movement in the studios and a whole game was cancelled. Then The Order got delayed (i think it will get delayed again). That left Infamous and Driveclub as the big games. Infamous was a step back from Infamous 2. Gorgeous game, but just not as good as the previous game. Driveclub was asked to do a lot. It should have been a complimentary game next to The Order or Infamous. Instead it is all on its own in the fall.
Not WWS's best year, and probably not their worst. Next year they have excellent book ends with order/bloodborne and uncharted 4. Let's see what else they can fill in the year with.
Not WWS's best year, and probably not their worst. Next year they have excellent book ends with order/bloodborne and uncharted 4. Let's see what else they can fill in the year with.
Soooo you're running away because people are calling you out for not being consistent?
I always thought people meant their overall exclusives in general, not just 1st party. Their 1st party games are hit and miss but I like how most of them try to do something new and bring out new IPs. Gravity Rush and Tearaway are recent examples of unique new IPs with great foundations. Upcoming like Rime, WiLD, and The Tomorrow Children are looking promising.
The exclusives they get from Japan are the main highlights for me (especially the fighting games).
Animal hater.
seems like first year doldrums to me. next year will have bloodborne and uncharted 4 at least, which should receive critical acclaim during a fairly crowded year. nevermind that 2014 has been fairly disappointing all-around. it's not like sony's releasing mediocre stuff and everyone else is just knocking out of the park year-round.
MrAndySchneider
Banned
It's not so much negativity, but indifference.
I was really curious about this title, the setting is interesting. But it seems to be a Gears of War clone, more of the same, and people stopped getting excited about it.
Maybe it will be a highly polished, masterfully crafted, innovation rich jewel of a game. But so far, I don't really have high hopes anymore.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
1 year into a 10 year lifecycle and fans of opposing consoles are doing it yet again. I simply cannot believe their stupidity. Do they like putting themselves through this every damned time?
nelsonroyale
Member
Pretty much. Next year looks pretty amazing to me. The best game of the latter half of 2015 looks like...GTA5 or Shadows of Morder. Dragon Age is a wild card.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I don't know if you are tying to be ironic, or if maybe you didn't notice, but you are drawing those exact same lines, for the exact same reasons, by using 'console' and not 'platform'. You are saying you don't care about other platforms because this reason or that, and it frames the very thing you are deriding while doing it.