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[Wallach]

Are you going straight into the TV from the Pro with the supplied HDMI cable?

What brightness setting do you have (back light)?

What are your settings?

No way to reproduce without knowing what settings you are using.

Yeah I've tried two different cables against both HDMI 2 and 3. Brightness is at max, as it changes to automatically during any HDR content.

I'm just curious to hear from people who can boot up this particular game. This scene is the very start of the game so it is pretty useful to test against. There are no settings I can find above 1080p where it appears to be using the correct color depth.

 

[etta]

So HDMI 2 & 3 support 4K/60 HDR or 4K/60/4:4:4. What's the max that HDMI 1 & 4 support?

 

[Motooni]

Pleased with the 49" so far. 4K HDR videos look stunning. PS4 Pro games less so. I'm having a job trying to tweak the settings for HDR. Often I feel it is perceptibly too desaturated or too dim and bump the colour and brightness. I'm not sure what HDR is supposed to look like in games as I have no point of reference.

On the 49" at least there is light bleed at the bottom of my panel. It's not noticeable for the most part in games, although I can see it in the PS4 menu. It's an unfortunate side effect of many LED TVs, but I'm not a fan of the idea of shipping back a massive thing only to get the same problem with similar TVs.

 

[mullet2000]

Is HDR still a big difference on this set even though it's only 400 nits compared to 1000+?

Is it one of those things where any HDR is a big leap over no HDR, is the difference between this an a non-HDR set going to be more subtle (for HDR content, of course)?

 

[Wallach]

So for some reason tonight I can't get a signal if I have HDMI set to Enhanced when connected to my 980 Ti. If I set HDMI to Standard it is detected fine. I'm pretty sure I had it connected to the PC before on Enhanced so I'm not sure what the deal is. On latest drivers (375.95 I believe).

Edit - Resolved. For whatever reason Windows wasn't automatically detecting the display with HDMI Enhanced but the driver could see the TV in the control panel and had to be enabled there. Maybe an HDCP thing?

 

[CollectedDust]

Not sure this has been posted, but Best Buy in the US has the 700D and 800D on sale this week. The 49" 800D is $649, and the 55" 700D is $699. Really good deals!

800D: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-49...h-dynamic-range-black/4801802.p?skuId=4801802

700D: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55...h-dynamic-range-black/4804403.p?skuId=4804403

 

[Deleted member 57681]

So I got the 55" model and love it, but I'm not so sure about the RGB settings on PS4 now. This TV has a "HDMI video range" setting of "Auto", "Limited" and "Full". Is this the RGB thingy? meaning, if I switch this to "Full" on HDMI2 (where the PS4 is hooked up to), I also switch the PS4 to full?

 

[III-V]

Yeah I've tried two different cables against both HDMI 2 and 3. Brightness is at max, as it changes to automatically during any HDR content.

I'm just curious to hear from people who can boot up this particular game. This scene is the very start of the game so it is pretty useful to test against. There are no settings I can find above 1080p where it appears to be using the correct color depth.

I asked if you were using the supplied cable and going directly into the tv and no receiver or anything else in the chain.

It true that the default value of brightness changes to Max when HDR is enabled, but this is easily changed, and it will remember your setting. Like I said before it would be useful to know your SDR settings as some are also being used for HDR.

When HDR kicks in on a scene with average luminance, i.e. Not overly bright or in view of speculation highlights, then you should not see a change in color saturation or overall brightness.

So my advice is to calibrate luminance at SDR levels limited with a free set-up disc, and when HDR kicks in, dial down the brightness to match.

As far as color, when HDR is sent over, it automatically chooses Rec2020, but it is unlinkely that the game is actually supporting a WCG. What changes are you making to color?

Is HDR still a big difference on this set even though it's only 400 nits compared to 1000+?

Is it one of those things where any HDR is a big leap over no HDR, is the difference between this an a non-HDR set going to be more subtle (for HDR content, of course)?

This set does not have a great peak brightness, and the HDR will not hold up compared to brighter models in a well lit room from 10 feet away.

I sit less than 2 feet away from the 43" and mostly play in dim/dark room and it gets plenty bright, particularly during infamous second son neon powers it's great.

HDR itself is comprised of wide color gaumut, peak brightness over 300 nits and high frame rate. This set has it all, but the peak brightness is lacking compared to the KS8000 for instance.

So I got the 55" model and love it, but I'm not so sure about the RGB settings on PS4 now. This TV has a "HDMI video range" setting of "Auto", "Limited" and "Full". Is this the RGB thingy? meaning, if I switch this to "Full" on HDMI2 (where the PS4 is hooked up to), I also switch the PS4 to full?

Use this as a 'starter build' for getting game mode set up. This should answer your questions as well.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224843451&postcount=1568

So HDMI 2 & 3 support 4K/60 HDR or 4K/60/4:4:4. What's the max that HDMI 1 & 4 support?

I believe the max is 4K 30Hz for HDMI 1.4, but I have not done any testing on 1 or 4 yet.

 

[Deleted member 57681]

Use this as a 'starter build' for getting game mode set up. This should answer your questions as well.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224843451&postcount=1568

Thanks, I actually used your settings as base and went from there
I dunno, I guess coming from a plasma I'm just not 100% satisfied with the blacks, so I thought I'd tinker with the RGB settings a bit.

 

[III-V]

Thanks, I actually used your settings as base and went from there
I dunno, I guess coming from a plasma I'm just not 100% satisfied with the blacks, so I thought I'd tinker with the RGB settings a bit.

The black levels are typical for this technology, as you noted, the plasma will be much better. The VA has better than 3500:1 (per r-tings, I measured about 7000:1 on par with KS8000) vs 1200:1 contrast ratio for the IPS panel.


Make sure your brightness (black light) is set to min. Use a set-up disc to properly adjust black level and contrast. Don't touch RGB 2 or 10 point unless you have a colorimeter. Video range settings (limited or full) will work properly set to auto, with the pro set to auto as well, I have tested this against the pro.

 

[Tiduz]

Clearness: Max makes my eyes go insane for some reason. so i turned that off. i also have contrast at 80 using that one site cause otherwise colors start to "clip" at certain shades.

edit:
"Being the perennial tweakers that we are, we also experimented with various [Smoothness] and [Clearness] settings in the [Motionflow] “Custom” submenu. If [Smoothness] was set to “Min” (i.e. no interpolation), [Clearness] needed to be cranked to “Max” to reach 1080-line motion resolution, but this caused obvious flicker (there’s even a warning message), brightness loss (peak luminance topped out at 47 cd/m2), and double imaging on fast pans. In other words, [Clearness] “Max” is simply the old Sony “Impulse” mode relabelled."

ah... that explains alot. i hated that mode.

 

[III-V]

Clearness: Max makes my eyes go insane for some reason. so i turned that off. i also have contrast at 80 using that one site cause otherwise colors start to "clip" at certain shades.

edit:
"Being the perennial tweakers that we are, we also experimented with various [Smoothness] and [Clearness] settings in the [Motionflow] “Custom” submenu. If [Smoothness] was set to “Min” (i.e. no interpolation), [Clearness] needed to be cranked to “Max” to reach 1080-line motion resolution, but this caused obvious flicker (there’s even a warning message), brightness loss (peak luminance topped out at 47 cd/m2), and double imaging on fast pans. In other words, [Clearness] “Max” is simply the old Sony “Impulse” mode relabelled."

ah... that explains alot. i hated that mode.

In game mode smoothness is disabled. It should not be used regardless as it adds significant input lag. Clearness is only a backlight strobe, and doesn't affect lag or motion resolution at all.

 

[Lockjaw333]

I am so tempted to grab the 43" for $598 on Amazon and use it as s monitor. Does anyone do that now? How does it perform as a PC monitor? I will also use it for 4k console gaming.

 

[polychron]

Okay, so this TV works like a dream with my PS4 pro. I've got that on HDMI 3, but attempting to hook up my PC's GTX 1080 to HDMI 2 (with an Amazon Basics HDMI 2.0 cable) causes the TV to show up in Nvidia Control Panel as a 1920x1080 Native Display. Attempting to set the resolution to 4K causes a black screen and 'no signal received'.

Any suggestions as to why that would be? I've already got Enhanced HDMI enabled, so slot 2 should be good to go right?

 

[Tiduz]

In game mode smoothness is disabled. It should not be used regardless as it adds significant input lag. Clearness is only a backlight strobe, and doesn't affect lag or motion resolution at all.

im in game mode, if i put it at max on my pc with hdmi i get a weird purple hue aroudn the mouse icon if i move my eyes around, and it makes the screen darker? I dunno it looks very strange to me

 

[III-V]

im in game mode, if i put it at max on my pc with hdmi i get a weird purple hue aroudn the mouse icon if i move my eyes around, and it makes the screen darker? I dunno it looks very strange to me

Are we talking about clearness on max? Yes, it will slightly dim the screen, but you can counteract with boosting the brightness (blacklight) a notch.

I have the 43" and do the same thing with my PC er iMac, but I haven't noticed a purple hue. Not sure whats happening there, as clearness just strobes a white backlight, no processing function per say.

I am so tempted to grab the 43" for $598 on Amazon and use it as s monitor. Does anyone do that now? How does it perform as a PC monitor? I will also use it for 4k console gaming.

It works well.

Okay, so this TV works like a dream with my PS4 pro. I've got that on HDMI 3, but attempting to hook up my PC's GTX 1080 to HDMI 2 (with an Amazon Basics HDMI 2.0 cable) causes the TV to show up in Nvidia Control Panel as a 1920x1080 Native Display. Attempting to set the resolution to 4K causes a black screen and 'no signal received'.

Any suggestions as to why that would be? I've already got Enhanced HDMI enabled, so slot 2 should be good to go right?

I have an iMac, and I had to use SwitchResX application for the integrated graphics card to recognize the display properly. It was refusing to believe it shouldn't be a 'TV'... but this was a pretty easy fix and now my iMac drives the internal monitor as 1440p and the Sony at 2160p.

 

[Cyriades]

Okay, so this TV works like a dream with my PS4 pro. I've got that on HDMI 3, but attempting to hook up my PC's GTX 1080 to HDMI 2 (with an Amazon Basics HDMI 2.0 cable) causes the TV to show up in Nvidia Control Panel as a 1920x1080 Native Display. Attempting to set the resolution to 4K causes a black screen and 'no signal received'.

Any suggestions as to why that would be? I've already got Enhanced HDMI enabled, so slot 2 should be good to go right?

That's normal. If you connect this TV to a PC it will say native 1080p.. just change it to 2160p in the control panel.

 

[Vuze]

Okay, so this TV works like a dream with my PS4 pro. I've got that on HDMI 3, but attempting to hook up my PC's GTX 1080 to HDMI 2 (with an Amazon Basics HDMI 2.0 cable) causes the TV to show up in Nvidia Control Panel as a 1920x1080 Native Display. Attempting to set the resolution to 4K causes a black screen and 'no signal received'.

Any suggestions as to why that would be? I've already got Enhanced HDMI enabled, so slot 2 should be good to go right?

I've made a small guide on how to 'patch' this here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220511165&postcount=895
It will also enable 4K60 HDR (tested and verified with Shadow Warrior 2).

I didn't encounter any blackscreens even before I did the 'fix' above but could just set the resolution to 2160p and play without any issues.

 

[ZOONAMI]

With the 49 being on sale at best buy I'm tempted to return my h8c even though I'm very happy with it just to see if the wider color gamut is very noticable.

That ips contrast ratio is terrible though vs my h8c. And 6 inches smaller. Dammit.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Caved and bought the 43" from Amazon. Should be here tomorrow.

 

[potatohead]

So HDMI 2 & 3 support 4K/60 HDR or 4K/60/4:4:4. What's the max that HDMI 1 & 4 support?

SDR 4K 60 4:4:4 RGB

 

[Quantum]

I am so tempted to grab the 43" for $598 on Amazon and use it as s monitor. Does anyone do that now? How does it perform as a PC monitor? I will also use it for 4k console gaming.

based on recommendations from this thread (and a specific post from III-V) I transitioned from a dell u3011 to the 43 inch and currently running win 10 at 3840x2160 with a 980ti (reference).

I have also picked up both a xbox one s and playstation pro 4

PC is hdmi 1, while the xbox is hdmi 2 and ps4 pro is hdmi 3.

I am really enjoying this screen as a monitor - I sit about 2.5-3 feet from the screen and it looks great.

I am still messing with settings for the PC, but think it was a great upgrade.

the two complaints I have are

1 - the semi glossy screen when compared to the hard matte of the dell u3011 - I can see a minimal reflection of my head in the middle of the day with a black background.

2 - as a monitor its important at what angle you are looking at this screen. if you have it on a desk you almost want to have your eye level at or above midline or you can notice minimal color aboration at the top of the screen


tldr - love it as a monitor.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I see a lot of people putting the Pro on HDMI 3, aren't HDMI 2 and 3 identical though?

 

[III-V]

the two complaints I have are

1 - the semi glossy screen when compared to the hard matte of the dell u3011 - I can see a minimal reflection of my head in the middle of the day with a black background.

2 - as a monitor its important at what angle you are looking at this screen. if you have it on a desk you almost want to have your eye level at or above midline or you can notice minimal color aboration at the top of the screen


tldr - love it as a monitor.

lol these are my exact complaints as well.

I see a lot of people putting the Pro on HDMI 3, aren't HDMI 2 and 3 identical though?

Yes

 

[Hagi]

Has anyone had any issues with the screen suddenly turning red? I've had mine well over a month but this seems to be an issue I've only run into the last two days. If I turn the tv off then back on it fixes it but it's a bit alarming nonetheless.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Set contrast to max in your Game (or whatever you choose as your main HDR source) video source, that is the minimum of what you should be doing, everything else really is preference. It doesn't hurt the TV or the source color in any way, it's basically the only way you'll notice a difference (especially in Uncharted/FFXV). Everything else is up for debate except for film settings. I use cinema pro but adjusted it heavily.

 

[Nutter]

So I purchased a 43". But started to look into the 49" due to the ongoing sale the moment. Is there significant differences between two? I read about panels being different but didn't quite understand it.

The size itself does not matter I can very easily live with the 43 if it means having the better picture. But if both are the same I'd rather get the bigger TV.

 

[ghibli99]

based on recommendations from this thread (and a specific post from III-V) I transitioned from a dell u3011 to the 43 inch and currently running win 10 at 3840x2160 with a 980ti (reference).

I have also picked up both a xbox one s and playstation pro 4

PC is hdmi 1, while the xbox is hdmi 2 and ps4 pro is hdmi 3.

I am really enjoying this screen as a monitor - I sit about 2.5-3 feet from the screen and it looks great.

I am still messing with settings for the PC, but think it was a great upgrade.

the two complaints I have are

1 - the semi glossy screen when compared to the hard matte of the dell u3011 - I can see a minimal reflection of my head in the middle of the day with a black background.

2 - as a monitor its important at what angle you are looking at this screen. if you have it on a desk you almost want to have your eye level at or above midline or you can notice minimal color aboration at the top of the screen

tldr - love it as a monitor.

I'd recommend using HDMI 2 or 3 for your PC. Using this reference image, the bottom two rows will be missing some detail on HDMI 1 and 4:

http://www.ozone3d.net/public/jegx/201412/chroma-subsampling-test-4k-tv.png

Of course, if it doesn't bother you, then disregard. Personally, I can't stand not having a perfect image for PC use.

I mentioned it up above, but I love this thing as a PC monitor. I mainly used a Dell 2711 before this, and it's a major improvement all around.

 

[Kodiak]

49" seems like the perfect fit for a small apartment.

I'm currently on a 40" 1080p Samsung display from 2010. How much of an upgrade will I experience with a regular PS4?

 

[III-V]

So I purchased a 43". But started to look into the 49" due to the ongoing sale the moment. Is there significant differences between two? I read about panels being different but didn't quite understand it.

The size itself does not matter I can very easily live with the 43 if it means having the better picture. But if both are the same I'd rather get the bigger TV.

In general, VA have lower black luminance and therefore better native contrast. IPS panel does not rapidly deteriorate in off angle viewing as the VA's do.

Almost all other considerations are equal.

49" seems like the perfect fit for a small apartment.

I'm currently on a 40" 1080p Samsung display from 2010. How much of an upgrade will I experience with a regular PS4?

On 1080p content, I would say no upgrade, really, unless your 1080p TV is not a good set, or has other issues. A high quality 1080p set can look better, for sure. Obviously, no HDR or 4K content though.

 

[ToastyBanana]

Played more The Last of Us and the DSE blob in the middle really stands out in the darker areas. Back it goes!

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I ordered a Samsung KS8000 last night but now having second thoughts, how are you guys enjoying this set? How is the uniformity of the screen?

Thinking about just picking this up as a decent stop gap till OLED becomes stable or just holding out and sticking to my current 1080p set.

 

[Zok310]

Bit the bullet this morning on Amazon.com, $598.
Size is perfect for my room, if not i would have bought a 60 inch samsung. Perfect for the budget as well.
Was gonna go without 4k set until i picked up my pro and realize the benefits on a 1080p set was not worth it, better off going 4k on the cheap if you have the pro imho.
Can't wait for the tv to arrive tuesday to finally see for myself.

 

[III-V]

Was gonna go without 4k set until i picked up my pro and realize the benefits on a 1080p set was not worth it, better off going 4k on the cheap if you have the pro imho..

I agree. 4K benefits are pretty killer on the Pro. 1080p with Pro, not so much.

 

[Madness]

So I purchased a 43". But started to look into the 49" due to the ongoing sale the moment. Is there significant differences between two? I read about panels being different but didn't quite understand it.

The size itself does not matter I can very easily live with the 43 if it means having the better picture. But if both are the same I'd rather get the bigger TV.

49" is IPS panel and 43" is a VA panel. The 43" will have darker blacks and better contrast but off angle viewing is worse ie. More than 25 degrees from side the picture looks more washed out. The IPS will maintain color accuracy from sides but won't be as dark in terms of black levels. They are equal in all other respects.

Played more The Last of Us and the DSE blob in the middle really stands out in the darker areas. Back it goes!

It is the panel lottery. I would say that it isn't too bad compared to what you might get. But if you notice it in actual use with games and movies, return and get a new set. Screen uniformity has been terrible for all manufacturers for the past 5+ years now.

 

[Aalvi]

I had a question, if I buy this TV for FFXV I'd benefit from 4k+HDR BUT will I also be able to pick the 1080p high quality option and the future 1080p 60fps option?

Basically do all 4k tv users benefit from access to all PS4 Pro options? Some games I like the 60fps option and what not.

 

[polychron]

Looks like the issue I was having was with the cable, as the output from the PS4 pro was also flickery with that cable. I've arranged to return it to amazon, and will try and rearrange my room so that I can move my PC far closer to my TV (Since as far as I can tell the longer your cable is, the more likely you are to get a dud...).

 

[Marakh101]

$100 off on Best Buy Canada right now on both sizes.

I'm not in a rush to upgrade but do you guys think we will see better TVs get within the same price range within the next year?

 

[SonicAaron]

Watching The Grand Tour on Prime PS4 and the TV isn't showing HDR when I bring up the picture mention to check.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I ended up cancelling my Samsung order and got the big brother to this today...the 850D 55" it looked really good in the store. Can't wait to set it up in a hour or 2.

 

[taco543]

I had a question, if I buy this TV for FFXV I'd benefit from 4k+HDR BUT will I also be able to pick the 1080p high quality option and the future 1080p 60fps option?

Basically do all 4k tv users benefit from access to all PS4 Pro options? Some games I like the 60fps option and what not.

That comes down to the game dev to make that option available. For instance with tomb raider you pick either 4k@30, 1080@60, or 1080supersampled@30. But there's no option on dishonored. It's all up to the devs

 

[Madness]

$100 off on Best Buy Canada right now on both sizes.

I'm not in a rush to upgrade but do you guys think we will see better TVs get within the same price range within the next year?

Technology improves year over year. Next year you will probably see better specs at a similar price. But again, dependa how input lag is etc. Year over year panels and televisions change. If you can wait, you should wait. 4K will be even more widespread next year.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

So I take this TV is the cheapest 4k 10bit HDR TV out there? Any reason to invest more into a TV than his? I swear buying highly priced TVs has turned out a placebo every single time I fell for it.

 

[Vuze]

So I take this TV is the cheapest 4k 10bit HDR TV out there? Any reason to invest more into a TV than his? I swear buying highly priced TVs has turned out a placebo every single time I fell for it.

Sure, there's OLED, higher peak brightness, Direct LED, FALD etc etc
Whether or not these specs are within your budget / worth the extra cash is up to you

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Sure, there's OLED, higher peak brightness, Direct LED, FALD etc etc
Whether or not these specs are within your budget / worth the extra cash is up to you

I'm aware of some of the things higher priced TVs offer. I think I couldn't tell a $1k TV from a $10k TV to save my life but that's beside the point. Those things are clearly lost on me so allow me to ask again: Is this Sony the cheapest TV that features all the good stuff? I'm looking at the 55" in particular which is 999€ here. Not very cheap honestly.

 

[etta]

Does this TV, or Bravia in general, dim automatically when most of the screen is dark? The current 6 year old Samsung I have dims automatically and it can't be turned off. Only in movie mode this is off by default, but that mode obviously is not for gaming.

 

[RoeBear]

Ok I'm really confused. I have the pro plugged into hdmi 2 and it's saying only 2k is supported. 3840x2160-60hz What am I doing wrong?

 

[n0razi]

I was really debating on pulling the trigger on the 49" at $650 but I was able to snag the 55" KS8000 for $750 with the EPP deal. A bit above my budget but I think it was the better choice.

 

[Wallach]

Ok I'm really confused. I have the pro plugged into hdmi 2 and it's saying only 2k is supported. 3840x2160-60hz What am I doing wrong?

3840 x 2160 is 4K.

You do however need to make sure you have HDMI format set to Enhanced in the settings (settings -> external inputs -> HDMI signal format).

 

[III-V]

Ok I'm really confused. I have the pro plugged into hdmi 2 and it's saying only 2k is supported. 3840x2160-60hz What am I doing wrong?

Make sure you have enabled "enhanced HDMI signal format" it's buried in options

I was really debating on pulling the trigger on the 49" at $650 but I was able to snag the 55" KS8000 for $750 with the EPP deal. A bit above my budget but I think it was the better choice.

Great deal on a superb TV, quite a bit larger as well.