Sony's 2025 Business Segment Meeting, June 13; Hideaki Nishino and Herman Hulst presenting for SIE

Yes, it is. You can notice my long long rants in all the recent Nintendo threads about sales data in various regions or the Mario Kart World OT and sale…





Yeah, that is what I thought :P. Thank you for taking the potshot, a swing and a miss…
You just seem to get a bit touchy in PS threads is all :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
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You just see to get a bit touchy in PS threads is all :messenger_winking_tongue:
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What is the problem of people looking at any thread about Sony, even normal ones about being happy about f'ing AstroBot and just pour all their general negativity about Sony. I do not see it in Nintendo threads or others.

It is kind of a pattern, like several posts about different parts of the Sony financial reports all of them with a sad flotilla of people stirring shit, keep it up sure, but boy it is noticeable.
Is a thread about AstroBot which is a freaking great game the best place to start another we are all doomed (whether Sony is or not) tirade and derail it?

Are Nintendo Switch 2 record sales threads the best place to complain about rising gen over gen costs for HW and SW and what has been held back to help sell another sale increase with the OLED revision? No, overall good console and amazing supply chain management for launch and a very good system selling launch game.

Would a Mario Kart World sales update be a best place to start similar shit? No, great game, do not derail that thread.

Why the heck do people think every single Sony thread including one about Astro Bot is the perfect ground for the same exact tired tirade of negativity that they post in all other Sony threads? That just makes you look petty about Sony's success and like you wished they could fail, why do these people feel threatened?

Yes, not touchy at all :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
Get it but this is thinly veiled port begging ;).

Without PS consoles support and without an established store, good luck pulling the games out of Steam, what you will get is also less money to finance those games and the games you like getting worse. You can care about yourself first but short term thinking does not often offer long term gain. What you wish for is not realistic nor for gamer's best interests either in practice.
It's actually the opposite. As I see it, with a dedicated PlayStation launcher Sony would carve out their own isolated platform and store on PC. Instead of porting games to what could soon be a direct competitor's platform, and have a cut taken from everything, they would keep it all closed up just like on PlayStation.

It's the natural progression if they want a walled garden. Would work well for the future as well if cloud gaming would pick up. They would always be in complete control and all the money would land in their own pocket.

Strategically I think it's risky to do Steam versions right now tbh. SteamOS will soon be on handhelds, prebuilds and console-like living room boxes. Steam is spreading out fast. Sony should make sure that PlayStation™ is more than just timed exclusivity, if they want to stay in control of their own stuff they absolutely need that launcher.
 
Mate, it's right there. And they were two posts in a row in the same thread lol

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What loss 😂? Who won? Do you get upset if I do not give you a win?

These threads become full of low quality bait with some group going from thread to thread and derail them which is what you are doing.

Still not sure what point you are trying to make. Being respectful of others having fun celebrating their victories and pushing back against trolls trying to rile people up and shut threads up (beautiful as it is done with kind of the same arguments in several threads at the same time so it does not smell astroturfy 😂… yup)… you come back with "you are touchy". Again, feel free to claim your win and go on a parade.

More swings and misses ;).
 
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It's actually the opposite. As I see it, with a dedicated PlayStation launcher Sony would carve out their own isolated platform and store on PC. Instead of porting games to what could soon be a direct competitor's platform, and have a cut taken from everything, they would keep it all closed up just like on PlayStation.

It's the natural progression if they want a walled garden. Would work well for the future as well if cloud gaming would pick up. They would always be in complete control and all the money would land in their own pocket.

Strategically I think it's risky to do Steam versions right now tbh. SteamOS will soon be on handhelds, prebuilds and console-like living room boxes. Steam is spreading out fast. Sony should make sure that PlayStation™ is more than just timed exclusivity, if they want to stay in control of their own stuff they absolutely need that launcher.
The idea of a PC launcher with day one multiplatform releases for all their games (and taking them away from Steam) is unrealistic, far fetched, and would take down their console business which in turn would affect their ability to fund those games (which would increase in cost and likely decrease in quality the more HW they need to support day one vs closed platform specs) before it would make a big mark against Steam.

People are fighting tooth and nail against PSN+ on PC and third party publishers have no desire to give money en masse to their competitors. Steam / Valve is not competing against EA, Activision (on the games side), Ubisoft, etc… it is a different relationship. Those publishers are supporting eShop and PSN Store because of the strength of the platform makes it worth being inside the walled garden, but on the PC side they will resist it tooth and nail.

No disrespect, but the argument still sounds like "I want to be on PC but I want my Sony games day one; it is unfair not to have them on day one as I have the urge of playing them on day one and this tempts me to spend money on a console I do not want to buy". Everything else, including likely consequences of the shift you hope for seem a bit thrown out of the window.
 
What loss 😂? Who won? Do you get upset if I do not give you a win?

These threads become full of low quality bait with some group going from thread to thread and derail them which is what you are doing.

Still not sure what point you are trying to make. Being respectful of others having fun celebrating their victories and pushing back against trolls trying to rile people up and shut threads up (beautiful as it is done with kind of the same arguments in several threads at the same time so it does not smell astroturfy 😂… yup)… you come back with "you are touchy". Again, feel free to claim your win and go on a parade.

Dude, this is just a quick 2 minute search of the first few posts you make when PlayStation is mentioned (probably goes on for pages). Why bother with the facade?



Why? Is Sony making the same claims or are a bit butthurt by people calling out Phil's running his mouth again? Come on… you read that and you think "SonyToo?" Is the right answer?
He moved off on his own channel for "content" and is now disappointed in MS for the Xbox box and just funneling his vitriol in shitting on anything PlayStation… not joking 😂.
Not sure anyone is celebrating this in and of itself, let's see if they learn the right lessons from MS's train wreck.

Are you pissed off because you came to terms on how the Series S was a badly executed ill thought idea? I will have to concede it was worse executed than the idea was bad fine ;).

You could say the same about PS5 and PS5 Pro or PS4 and PS4 Pro… but you will notice how it was handled differently there compared to XSS and XSX.
 
Dude, this is just a quick 2 minute search of the first few posts you make when PlayStation is mentioned (probably goes on for pages). Why bother with the facade?
What facade? You are still on about this? Ok, so the plan is to troll or derail threads, if any pushback is faced play victim and/or attack, and then keep pushing to get the last word? What is your point here again? Alright… more swings and more misses :).
 
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Given the insane resistance Sony have faced getting people to sign up for a free Playstation account to play their games on PC, I honestly cannot see a launcher app going down well. Do you?
That's because they tried to put up walls within Steam. On their own launcher they could do whatever they wanted. The games won't sell as much as on Steam but compared to PS it's mostly pocket money on Steam anyway, rare examples excluded.

So long as there's a year gap... FOMO makes this basically a non-issue. And I'm sorry, but for a lot of people, the bragging rights of being able to say you can only play this game on this system simply isn't an issue.
I don't think there is a default delay time yet. GT7 is still not out, and Demon's Souls. As a result I often end up buying their games twice, so for me it's not a non-issue. Stellar Blade is the most recent one, that's a particularly great port though so no real complaints there.
 
What facade? You are still on about this? Ok, so the plan is to troll or derail threads, if any pushback is faced play victim or attack, and then keep pushing to get the last word? What is your point here again? Alright… more swings and more misses :).
The plan isn't to troll anything. It's to show you shouldn't go accusing people of 'warrioring' when it's plainly what you do constantly.

Just don't be a hypocrite. Your post history is there for everyone to see. It just goes on, and on and on. Everyone is an anti-Sony astroturfer ...


I like the usual MS cheerleaders going on about pro consumer GamePass and good guy Phil / pro consumer MS suggesting that MS's strategy is to buy publishers and put all games at absurd prices to force users to subscribe into GamePass… and their advice / commentary here is "hey play it on GamePass".

Chickens cheering for KFC it is 😂… or astroturfers well astroturfing ;).
Sure thing buddy. The OP was innocently posting news. Again, you are right it is an industry wide thing. Not started by MS.

We should focus on the thread title about a concerning new development PlayStation is leading the charge on. Keep being intellectually honest ;).
Really well said, you hit the nail on the head!

Like with a lot of the cross play discussion, this is clearly MS orchestrated astroturfing trying to change optics of something to align it with their business interest. Whether some PS games would like this game being multiplatform or evangelists are down hg it because they smell the marching orders is beside the point, this is not organic.
Totally organic… almost 100% word by word same post by multiple users. I love having people jumping in threads like this (threads that are not shitting on anyone else) like moths to the flame astroturfers and console warriors reveal themselves ;). Several angry warriors acting out, throwing tantrums, and coming in to stir shit and piss people off.
Why do outrage threads about Sony always end up with astroturf looking GamePass sales pitches?
 
That's because they tried to put up walls within Steam. On their own launcher they could do whatever they wanted. The games won't sell as much as on Steam but compared to PS it's mostly pocket money on Steam anyway, rare examples excluded.

Its a lot more than pocket money when a good proportion of the value of publishing on PC is how it furthers brand awareness and transmedia opportunity.

I'd make the case that being on Steam is the best option for visibility within the PC space, and also the path of least resistance for sales, which is why they've taken this route over a custom launcher.

I think the experience of every other publisher that's tried to go their own way shows how tough it is to get a foothold.


I don't think there is a default delay time yet. GT7 is still not out, and Demon's Souls. As a result I often end up buying their games twice, so for me it's not a non-issue. Stellar Blade is the most recent one, that's a particularly great port though so no real complaints there.

Well yeah, but in my opinion its rare when discussing these issues people get past the idea that releasing as soon as possible might be less than optimal.

The Bloodborne thing is a perfect example for me because it never seems to be considered that releasing a port at a time when the market is literally flooded with similar titles (more than one of which are FROM's own) might not be ideal!

Just because a certain percentage of the market/media is clamoring for a thing, it doesn't follow that its going to perform as well as it could.
 
The plan isn't to troll anything. It's to show you shouldn't go accusing people of 'warrioring' when it's plainly what you do constantly.

Just don't be a hypocrite. Your post history is there for everyone to see. It just goes on, and on and on. Everyone is an anti-Sony astroturfer ...

Same goes for you though since you're definitely in the top 10 of this forum's hardcore shills and trolls.

Again, how come that the most hardcore of the hardcore are always the first ones to cry wolf and also have zero self awareness I'll never understand.

"Just don't be a hypocrite" - said the hypocrite, again. you can't make this shit up, absolutely zero self awareness...
 
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The plan isn't to troll anything. It's to show you shouldn't go accusing people of 'warrioring' when it's plainly what you do constantly.
Glad you have a target and a plan ;). Trolling is just a delicious side effect?
When I see people going and shitting / derailing any thread they see (multiple, no matter what the topic is) with the same sad stuff, sometimes people get somewhat annoyed at that. You have a problem with it. I do not claim to be perfect, feel free to call me out when I derail other threads ("but technically in this thread calling someone out for derailing the thread is in itself derailing… checkmate mate" I see how that could be the rather crappy point people move on to when trying to win arguments is the thing they care about).

Just don't be a hypocrite. Your post history is there for everyone to see.
I know and you can spend more and more of your own time to dig through it, I do not make it private.

It just goes on, and on and on. Everyone is an anti-Sony astroturfer ...
No, not everyone, but some just like to shit things up. Some of those are astroturfers and some are trolls, some even clutch their pearls disingenuously if that is even mentioned.
 
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Glad you have a target and a plan ;). Trolling is just a delicious side effect?
When I see people going and shitting / derailing any thread they see (multiple, no matter what the topic is) with the same sad stuff, sometimes people get somewhat annoyed at that. You have a problem with it. I do not claim to be perfect, feel free to call me out when I derail other threads ("but technically in this thread calling someone out for derailing the thread is in itself derailing… checkmate mate" I see how that could be the rather crappy point people move on to when trying to win arguments is the thing they care about).


I know and you can spend more and more of your own time to dig through it, I do not make it private.


No, not everyone, but some just like to shit things up. Some of those are astroturfers and some are trolls, some even clutch their pearls disingenuously if that is even mentioned.
Interestingly your noble efforts to protect threads from shitting and derailing only happens in Sony threads …

Keep fighting the good fight against 'warriors' 😉
 
Interestingly your noble efforts to protect threads from shitting and derailing only happens in Sony threads …
Nah, it happens in other threads. All of us are interests and we read more of column A than column B, shock!
Show me something like "Cuckman" or other anti LGTBQ+ like tirades, "Concord $400 M", etc… efforts.
I mean, look at where you are. Look at the thread about Sony backing AstroBot derailed into "Greedy Sony", "PS5 got no games", etc… and you call for others to be self aware :rolleyes:.

Keep fighting the good fight against 'warriors' 😉
You keep being you holy knight of the fight against improper holy knights you self appointed as such.
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Nah, it happens in other threads. All of us are interests and we read more of column A than column B, shock!
Show me something like "Cuckman" or other anti LGTBQ+ like tirades, "Concord $400 M", etc… efforts.
I mean, look at where you are. Look at the thread about Sony backing AstroBot derailed into "Greedy Sony", "PS5 got no games", etc… and you call for others to be self aware :rolleyes:.


You keep being you holy knight of the fight against improper holy knights you self appointed as such.
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Dude, just stop lol

 
I'd make the case that being on Steam is the best option for visibility within the PC space, and also the path of least resistance for sales, which is why they've taken this route over a custom launcher.

I think the experience of every other publisher that's tried to go their own way shows how tough it is to get a foothold.
True but when Valve wants to eat from that living room cake it's going to be a problem.
At some point Sony is going to want to close things up. Doing that within Steam is going to end with Concord releases and overwhelmingly negative reviews left and right.

Also, Sony isn't every other publisher, they have some weight behind every release and an army of fanboys defending everything they do, I doubt a launcher would just wither away.

But as sad earlier I want that launcher for personal reasons, I just don't see anything more happening within Steam, the whole thing is stuck. I think they need their own thing to be able to push the PC strategy forward without backlash from their own community.
 
My guess is they were watching Microsoft gobble up IP and studios at breakneck pace and started panicking.
Panic-driven actions never result in anything good.
MS hardly had any input in this. Sony saw rapid ascension of Fortnite and Genshin and decided that they want the same position in GaaS as they have in SP space - some defining games those are trademark of the platform. GaaS initiative was always mentioned in junction with state of the market and rapid expansion of GaaS market share.
The current "defining image" of Playstation rapidly shrinking if we are looking at ~whole~ gaming market and Sony wants to maintain/reestablish it by expanding it from only SP games to SP/GaaS.

But all is ok we can cover that from Xbox games sale in PS store :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Mihoyo/Fortnite covers those easily
Sony concern is that they have fortnite and genshin, and those along with others bring them insane revenue, but no games of their own. So they are quite at mercy of 3rd party and have no image for themselves in this part of the market (and it's already really huge). It's much better for platform to have SP games situation - there are lots of 3rd party, some of them even bigger (significantly bigger) than 1st party, but there are some big and well-known games from 1st party that form an image for a platform.

True but when Valve wants to eat from that living room cake it's going to be a problem.
PC still priced out of common living room. And by common I mean common and not geek one.
PC parts still more costly than console and for living room we should talk explicitly about price of pre-build "shop availawble" PC and those are even more costly.
 
PC still priced out of common living room. And by common I mean common and not geek one.
PC parts still more costly than console and for living room we should talk explicitly about price of pre-build "shop availawble" PC and those are even more costly.
Steam Deck is fairly cheap, take away the screen and upcoming SteamOS devices will presumably be priced much lower than the monsters people here have.
 
They already pivoted, people just like to revise history. They do way more in the first party space now than they did on PS1 through even PS3.

And you can save this post, but I bet you they buy another studio within the next 12 months. My guess being Arc System Works.

I was honestly surprised they never bought ASW back during their spree. That was one of four studios I thought for sure would get snagged by Sony. Housemarque, Bluepoint, and Vanillaware being the others.

Of course, could have been all kinds of reasons it never happened. But I also have felt it odd that Sony is a co-owner of EVO, a big supporter of the FGC, yet has no active fighting game franchises or developers of its own.

Considering their long history together and how solid of a developer ASW is, it wouldn't surprise me. Far more so that it hasn't happened yet.

I watched reactions from the FGC, Maximilian Dood's reaction especially, to Marvel Tokon being announced. Pretty fair to say that community is stoked.
 
Console prices are subsidised, PC prices aren't.

If you buy shit loads of games PC is worth it, but for most people it isnt
Oh, you made it sound like it was expensive without looking at hardware cost.

Valve seems to do something with the hardware cost though. If you take Steam Deck as an example the hardware isn't really that expensive. What's the official lowest price? $399?

And you don't have a monthly tick from paid online, and games are often cheaper and there are key sellers and often better sales.

Then imagine Valve doing a console-like device, without screen, with improved hardware. I think it could end up priced roughly like consoles.

It would play PC, Xbox, PlayStation games, plus older and possibly Switch games through emulators, have free online and cloud sync plus better streaming solutions.

Performance is the biggest problem. PC games aren't coded to the metal so you often have to brute force with better hardware. But I'm not sure the mainstream care or even know what to look for. Idk, I can't see why it wouldn't interest traditional console gamers, assuming they know it exists.
 
And look at how badly it compares to Switch 2 for that price.
It's old, and don't have dlss, no surprise there. They'll do Steam Deck 2 eventually and sounds like a new product line of SteamOS devices, in-house or 3rd party, those could use any type of hardware.
 
It's old, and don't have dlss, no surprise there. They'll do Steam Deck 2 eventually and sounds like a new product line of SteamOS devices, in-house or 3rd party, those could use any type of hardware.

Will SteamDeck 2 cost the same as Switch 2 though?

I highly doubt it.
 
I don't think that's the case for the PS5 anymore.

Maybe, just maybe the digital version, but still they're possibly close to break even with that one

MS with Xbox? Oh they're cooked even after increasing series X/S prices.

PS5 was most definitely is subsidised. What I thinking your getting at is if the console is being sold at break even at this point of the lifecycle. I would still think it's being subsidised due to inflation and tariffs.
 
I was honestly surprised they never bought ASW back during their spree. That was one of four studios I thought for sure would get snagged by Sony. Housemarque, Bluepoint, and Vanillaware being the others.

Of course, could have been all kinds of reasons it never happened. But I also have felt it odd that Sony is a co-owner of EVO, a big supporter of the FGC, yet has no active fighting game franchises or developers of its own.

Considering their long history together and how solid of a developer ASW is, it wouldn't surprise me. Far more so that it hasn't happened yet.

I watched reactions from the FGC, Maximilian Dood's reaction especially, to Marvel Tokon being announced. Pretty fair to say that community is stoked.

I'm not surprised they didn't buy ASW during their spree. There were largely two types of studios they bought during their spree (technically 3).

  • Studios they had a long history of working with
    • Slight exception for small studios that fit specific needs like Neon Koi
  • Studios that were startups

Bungie was probably their biggest exception, but what a lot of people don't realize is how involved Sony was with Destiny from a marketing perspective. A lot of people feel like the Bungie M&A was a mistake and I'm not one of them. I think the studio is being mismanaged at the moment, but I dont' think fundamentally it was a mistake for a lot of reasons. What I do think is that the size and scope of the M&A may have halted Sony from making more pronounced investments. Outside of Nixxes they really haven't gotten any return on their investment since Insomniac.

Sony has published Arc games before, but they don't really have a long relationship and they won't be extremely cheap. That being said if Sony learned anything from the situation with Arrowhead, they'll move fast on this. It's obvious that they're the odd man out here in this relationship, which I think probably pushed them to buy Insomniac, which has worked well for them.

They could buy Arc and put them on a similar trajectory of a Capcom. Probably buy them for half a billion dollars in within 10 years, they could easily be worth 4 billion dollars with the right investments.

Sony is kind of an interesting company in the sense that I think they struggle with M&A. I mean most companies do.

If they wait until after this game publishes that price tag is going way up. But on the other hand, maybe they don't want to sell. They have a much more established track record than Arrowhead. Should be a no brainer for them.
 


Luke Stephens is a YT grifter. This is zero confirmation that the game isn't delayed. If anything it sounds more likely that it IS delayed.

Rather than say, this game is launching in September, they said it is launching this fiscal year. Meaning that they're more likely no longer looking at that September date and if the game is delayed, even with them saying this fiscal year, it could be delayed further out.

That being said, I don't really have faith in Bungie to fix this. They seem pretty tone deaf.
 
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