Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I didn't dare ask the question ._.
Their vision just does seem a bit fuzzy though. At E3 they jab at the DRM, now they have lots of digital only games "first" on their platform.
MS is righting their wrongs? They were planning to unleash a horrible abomination upon us, spending billions on their concept. This is not righting, it's backpedalling, not even in shame. It's like the backstabber that is getting seen and now throws around presents to get everybody in a good mood and cover his previous intents.
They deserve every jab.
MS will most likely come back with their original idea sooner or later, and then nothing was righted. Ever.
They deserve every jab.
MS will most likely come back with their original idea sooner or later, and then nothing was righted. Ever.
thewhitehawk
Member
I thought it was rather tame, immensely tamed compared to stuff like "the Playstation 4 is just a more powerful Playstation 3". I don't think we should make such a big deal out of it.
Metalmurphy
Member
Was kinda lame imo. They need to know when to stop.
Seemed acceptable - they want to remind buying public that original MS approach wasn't viewed well, that Sony's was and that while MS had taken the 180 steps they did so in response to Sony's vision and the public reaction to it - i.e. don't get too excited by the MS pitch remember the history.
It was low key enough and truthful enough (i.e what he said wasn't factually wrong) to be worth reminding people of - particularly in the games market buyers have short memory's if something shiny they like is dangled in front of their eyes to take their focus of bigger issues.
But in truth I'd rather both companies dropped it now (for the record recent MS comments of PS4 being just a more powerful PS3 and XBone a game changer seemed much more out of line coming from a company falling over to get it's policies and console more in line with said PS4) and focused on games and what we'll get at launch and the first 12 months.
It was low key enough and truthful enough (i.e what he said wasn't factually wrong) to be worth reminding people of - particularly in the games market buyers have short memory's if something shiny they like is dangled in front of their eyes to take their focus of bigger issues.
But in truth I'd rather both companies dropped it now (for the record recent MS comments of PS4 being just a more powerful PS3 and XBone a game changer seemed much more out of line coming from a company falling over to get it's policies and console more in line with said PS4) and focused on games and what we'll get at launch and the first 12 months.
CaptainGyro
Banned
and saying things like this, where you expect companies to not take shots at their competitors and to conform to your ideal standards of professionalism, is what strikes me as naive. So excuse me for letting you know that's how I feel. You asked if we should expect better, didn't you?
DRM and digital downloads are not mutually inclusive. This notion people have that the Xbone's DRM was somehow necessary to achieve an all-digital future is misguided.
True. It only shows that they are very aware of the generation and have a good self awareness this time. That's in stark contrast to last generation. It's also an emotional business, so teasing and making fun is part of it. I'd actually say that making such a comment is more professional then not making it. They are humans, not machines - why not showing this?
Proposed Law
Member
Loved it.
Those trying to say that making changes is a bad thing have the wrong idea of what the dig was meant to illustrate, remember the quote by the Sony executive stating what you do first, you do for the consumer, what you do second you do for yourself. In this particular scenario, Sony did the better thing, Microsoft didn't change their policies until the backlash, whereas Sony were at least proactive with their policies, and it's called competition, Sony need to tell people what they were doing first as opposed to their competitors, those feeling sorry for Xbox need look no further than Microsoft's ads for their Surface, how they just compare it with the iPad, essentially having a dig at their competitors.
The Spoony Hou
Member
never forget.
So, MS did that in response to Sony saying "next gen only starts when we say so"?
I had even forgotten that stupid comment.
cyberheater
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Well MS made themselves a very easy target.
There was nothing wrong with it honestly. Taking advantage of a competitor fumbling is smart IMO. Reminding their audience of the competitor's unclear vision is an excellent thing for them.
Well said.
Sony wanted the press not to forget that fact when they write their soon to come "All facts: which console should you get?" articles. That's the rational.
Apart from that, yeah, it lacked some humbleness. But then again, Microsoft, or any other company, would have done the same.
Apart from that, yeah, it lacked some humbleness. But then again, Microsoft, or any other company, would have done the same.
Boogalogist
Member
They are just telling truthfacts. The cold hard truth. Nothing wrong with that. In a ln open competitive market, companies take a dig at each other all the time.
As what the Olympic champion would say, "It's true! It's true!"
As what the Olympic champion would say, "It's true! It's true!"
Quadraphonic
Member
Microsoft bought a fucking BARGE and docked it outside a convention center. This? Saying they've changed policies? That's nothing but honesty.
Its the way it goes, do you think if it wasnt the other way around ms wouldnt be jabbing sony, come on son every company worth their salt would be reminding the buying public of how fucked up ms vision was and how they have fumbled around back peddeling on nearly every aspect. Infact i think sony have been quite reserved, i can only dream of how american ms wouldve been had the tables been turned.
cripterion
Member
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Wade Keller
Banned
I think Sony has become incredibly good at manipulating nerds in to thinking they have their best interests at heart.
It's really been amusing as an onlooker just how easy it is to pander to "gamers". They know exactly the kind of bullshit to say to get them to mark out.
It's really been amusing as an onlooker just how easy it is to pander to "gamers". They know exactly the kind of bullshit to say to get them to mark out.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Wow, people here actually think that MS "updated their policies" (nice spin) to take the consumer voice into account?!?
It was pre-order numbers. Nothing more, nothing less. Pre-order numbers. It's the same shit that is driving them to give away FIFA 14 with EU pre-orders, it's not because they have suddenly turned into this consumer friendly company overnight, it's because their pre-order figures are so bad, they need a way to get them moving.
Everything they have done, from the 180s on DRM, the new indie games policies and even giving away a high profile game at great expense has been reacting to very poor pre-order numbers and Sony's huge amount of pre-orders.
It was pre-order numbers. Nothing more, nothing less. Pre-order numbers. It's the same shit that is driving them to give away FIFA 14 with EU pre-orders, it's not because they have suddenly turned into this consumer friendly company overnight, it's because their pre-order figures are so bad, they need a way to get them moving.
Everything they have done, from the 180s on DRM, the new indie games policies and even giving away a high profile game at great expense has been reacting to very poor pre-order numbers and Sony's huge amount of pre-orders.
To me, the E3 DRM bit was done to reassure gamers that they are not following MS lead.
The Gamescom comments seems to be more aimed at developers to me? They want to say that they know what they are doing, not confused like MS is and to hop on board developing for PS4.
That's what I got from it.
You have to admit, they are kind of related. People were pissed off, bashing it on forums etc and because they were pissed off with what is being pitched to them of course they won't preorder it. I'm not going to preorder something I hate.
The Gamescom comments seems to be more aimed at developers to me? They want to say that they know what they are doing, not confused like MS is and to hop on board developing for PS4.
That's what I got from it.
You have to admit, they are kind of related. People were pissed off, bashing it on forums etc and because they were pissed off with what is being pitched to them of course they won't preorder it. I'm not going to preorder something I hate.
Well, so what is Sonys real plan then? They are releasing a console which gamers like to make gamers XXX and then profit? Tell us more please.
Panipal2009
Banned
I thought it was very sporting of Sony to allow Microsoft a chance to get them back by giving them room to get the Xbone out before the PS4. Sony going for the kill, yeah right!
Those bastids, they plan to make money out of us, how fucking dare they. Im out xboxone ftw.
No one is denying that digital has a place on the market, how Microsoft went about though...
I thought "shots fired", companies do it all the time, and MS presented the opportunity for Sony to point out that they've been consistant from day one, which was pretty tame compared to things that have been said between politicians/sports teams/previous console warz advertisements etc.
In the us do you think ms will be out before 15th nov im not so sure. They might make eu before the 29th though fingers crossed.
Always-honest
Banned
Funny but they are not winning anything with it.
I wouldn't have done it. But i'm bad at business.
I wouldn't have done it. But i'm bad at business.
But nothing that interests me and nothing I want to play.
Mohonky
Member
......and everything Sony does they do it for their love of the consumer? Get real, Sony were playing the 'wait and see' game, as they always do. Sony's E3 was about taking the backlash MS was copping and running with it, same as they are doing now. If it were not for Live, their network would still be amess, they played constant catch up. They tried with their Sixaxis to get into Nintendos space, then again later with the Move. They were constantly trying to match things like cross game invites, party chat, those stupid things like Achievements that of course nobody wanted.....and Home? Wtf was that supposed to be? And now after realising people will pay for multiplayer, surprise surprise, they put multiplayer behind a paywall.
Sony are no better or worse than their competition, there were just fortunate enough to see the massive backlash MS copped and used it to their advantage by staying the fuck away from what MS was doing and hammering viewers with this rosy sentiment that they would never do such a thing; but you can be damned sure they would have jumped on it immediately had there been no up roar.
I cant get over how deluded some people are to believe these companies do things for the 'love of their consumers.' They couldnt give a flying fuck what you think so long as it doesnt effect their bottomline and in this, they are using the negative publicity to push hardware out the door to customers disgruntled at their competition, not because they love you.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
PS4 HAS NO GAMES
The brain trust at Redmond gave Sony so much ammunition with the attempted DRM, always only debacle and the subsequent denials and 180s that Sony would be stupid not highlight in front of the press that MSFT is not to be trusted. It was a PR gift to Sony which they'll be able to take advantage of in the short term.
This cynical point of view can be applied to anything and anybody.
Of course every company realizes the need to be sustainable financially. One surefire way to survive in the market is to cater to your customers well. Sure, it could be a facade, sure, it could be an evil act, sure, it can be an honest to God relationship with the customer, or anything in between.
The fact is Sony has done a *lot* to make amends with their customers since the PS3 announcement debacle and their "actions" so far justify it. It is not like they are saying "oh we love the consumers" yet are doing nothing about it.
They are backing up their claims by announcing a wide variety of games that people care for, from developers huge and tiny; they are making a system that is far more easy to work on (and thus the customer may get more games to play overall due to this simple procedure for developers), the PS+ initiative is the gift that keeps on giving, the price cuts they have made allow for more accessibility, the price point for the PS4 alone shows the massive difference between Sony circa 2005 and now.
Their commitment to the consumer is a win-win for them and us, the gamers.
The funny thing about your post apart from the passive aggressive undertones and the generous splashing of butt hurt, is that you probably have no idea about the degree to which you miscalculated the level knowledge the poster you replied to you has regarding the very subject of company bottom line.
At least Kamiya is funny. The current stage persons for Sony really aren't. Overall their presentation is very sloppy somehow. Even without the camera man.
I'll be honest.
Typically, I hate it when companies resort to digging at other companies, instead of just showing that their console is better through actions.
However, in this case... at least what Sony said is a fact, not the usual "Their take on it" I dont feel MS has changed their policies and things because customers didnt like it, more just the press only saw them as a negative, which wouldnt help sales. Also not a good sign that it seems they arent so sure of what gamers want, seeing what they originally wanted, gamers didnt jump for that.
As much as I give kudos to MS to changing their policies, I have to give Sony more kudos for getting it right from the beginning. As what Sony said too, "You're too busy with what you're doing to look at others and change what you're doing", which is a good sign of confidence you have in what you're doing.
It just shows MS were working with something that they obviously werent so confident with.
What I do find funny though... What can MS dig at Sony about regarding the PS4? Ha ha. Anything they dig at Sony can be a dig for them too, ha ha. Not that I expect them to (What am I saying, its MS, of course I expect them to), but it is a very competitive, so its hard to imagine one of them not saying something about it.
Typically, I hate it when companies resort to digging at other companies, instead of just showing that their console is better through actions.
However, in this case... at least what Sony said is a fact, not the usual "Their take on it" I dont feel MS has changed their policies and things because customers didnt like it, more just the press only saw them as a negative, which wouldnt help sales. Also not a good sign that it seems they arent so sure of what gamers want, seeing what they originally wanted, gamers didnt jump for that.
As much as I give kudos to MS to changing their policies, I have to give Sony more kudos for getting it right from the beginning. As what Sony said too, "You're too busy with what you're doing to look at others and change what you're doing", which is a good sign of confidence you have in what you're doing.
It just shows MS were working with something that they obviously werent so confident with.
What I do find funny though... What can MS dig at Sony about regarding the PS4? Ha ha. Anything they dig at Sony can be a dig for them too, ha ha. Not that I expect them to (What am I saying, its MS, of course I expect them to), but it is a very competitive, so its hard to imagine one of them not saying something about it.
