PJV3
Member
The Cerny comment is completely fine, it's true and it's his design, if he said the Xbox is a pile of shite, you would have a point.
The Cerny comment is completely fine, it's true and it's his design, if he said the Xbox is a pile of shite, you would have a point.
Can Crusher
Banned
They are 100% right. In the end it's good for consumers that MS is throwing 180ºs like they are free, but at the same time the consumer would do well to remind himself what MS was going to force if the PS4 didn't exist.
MS was forced to change because of pre orders, and those who are going to buy a Xbox One shouldn't forget so that if an unpleasant 180º happens midway through the gen, they don't act surprised.
MS was forced to change because of pre orders, and those who are going to buy a Xbox One shouldn't forget so that if an unpleasant 180º happens midway through the gen, they don't act surprised.
lionkitten
Banned
It was funny, but it's not like it's swaying anyone's purchases.
FairXchange
Member
They're well positioned considering the support seen on the PS3.
level_e11even
Banned
Still rockin'
HOLY SHIT LMAO
KimonoNoNo
Member
It did seem to me like they said to themselves, "It worked at E3, let's do it again".
Mr. PlayStation
Member
I don't have a marketing degree or something, but as a student who has read a book or two written by Seth Godin the guru of marketing, you just can't ignore it.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Multiplayers the biggest thing, and it was one clear cut advantage over MS. Netflix and other services not being held hostage is... admirable, but it's the least I'd expect of any company that wasn't Microsoft.
WickedLaharl
Member
Or people who don't care about the CONSOLE EXCLUSIVE DEBUT of indie games you'll be able to get elsewhere.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
It was accurate.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
this sums it up actually
saveweyard
Banned
Still rockin'
Yes. So good.
Dragonborn
Member
I don't think that's the case, Sony took a beating for years in the early PS3 years, they paid for their mistakes, and it took them years to turn their image around. They've done a great job these past three years, but you say it like people instantly forgave them, which isn't the case.
People will get over what MS tried to do, but it's not going to happen overnight, or even in a few months. The negative perception of the X1 will probably haunt them for a while, but just like Sony, I think MS will be able to turn things around eventually. They already seem to be on the right track.
There's almost zero chance of that happening. The only place it will even be close is in the US and even there with a $100 price delta I doubt it. World-wide it's gonna be bedlam. Absolute bedlam.
BruiserBear
Banned
haha
I guess you haven't been paying attention the last few months. There is a reason Sony hasn't been changing policies like crazy, and including free games with the console for Europe.
Can Crusher
Banned
Sometimes I wonder how people can reach conclusions that don't have any rhyme or reason behind them....
Nothing wrong with stating that you've been largely consistent regarding policies. I'm sure MS had their share of jabs during the release of the 360.
There really wasn't a point to mention a release date given that the console is only available in 13 markets. It was more appropriate for Sony to do it and MS should have dropped it at E3.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
How dare they. I never. Leave Microsoft alone!
Whatever man, GAF is just pro-Sony and will just shit on MS for life now. Don't try and bring up correct history and say that Sony was in the doghouse for years, that shit ain't right!
Lets not forget only 2 days ago from MS
its just business and I for one miss the insulting days of old from Sony
its just business and I for one miss the insulting days of old from Sony
Impeccable
Member
Holy shit at the salt.
Stone Ocean
Member
It was pretty funny. I just hope Sony keeps their lineup as sharp as their tongue.
SuperSonic1305
Member
You could power saltybets with this thread.
Sarcasm is hard to gauge over the internet
If Microsoft couldn't outsell Sony this gen when they did almost everything right and Sony had one of the worst launches this side of the Wii U, I don't see how they can possibly hope to outsell the PS4.
As someone who had to weather the bad storm of the first year of PS3, let me say I feel your pain man. Good luck.
I would have spent more time showing how disgusting everything MS tried to do to gaming, but it would have been a waste, the audience at gamescon already knows. The best tact now to to just repeat over and over that the ps4 is the most powerful console and costs a good deal less.
and like salty bets, its nearly impossible to know which is real before the match starts. also, round 3 and on is a bitch. love salty.
True. I think a lot of sony fanboys have still not forgiven Ballmer for that kid he bullied in 8th grade either.
Dragonborn
Member
I still find it hard to believe some people are actually going with the whole "PS4 has no games" mentality. I would have thought Sony proved that false with the PS3. I'm glad they're saving the big hitters for later, next year is going to be amazing for PS4 announcements while on the X1 we'll just be hearing about stuff we already know about. Pretty great move by Sony.
chertipros
Member
But the policies have changed and the differences between the two consoles are now almost negligible. They even have the same games for the most part so if ms just keeps playing their cards right they just might outsell sony. I'm not saying that's what is going to happen, but it's not extremely unlikely
revolverjgw
Member
I like it when the suits do something to show they have a pulse and possibly even a soul
Sony's reaction took years. Microsoft's reaction took one month.
I really think that MS deserved the jab at the E3, but now after the 180, it's unnecessary and childish.
mr teaspoon
Member
I didn't think so. The cringe-worthiness of those pauses for laughs and applause depends entirely on whether or not it's based on a genuine audience reaction. People really were laughing over him when he tried to continue.
Now that 'I just announced a $199 PS3, you're supposed to react', that one I'll give you.
Selective memory helps build a personal narrative.
I thought it was cold blooded in the good way.
It pretty much laid out the notion that Microsoft has no idea what gamers want, and have to backtrack and change their machine to fit what gamer's want, while Sony has always been in step with gamers, and have created a console that suits their (gamers) needs, and not their (Sony's) bottom line.
It's PR. But well done PR. It's all about public perception. Just look at how masterfully Microsoft shaped public perception with the Xbox 360, compared to how Sony did with the PS3.
It pretty much laid out the notion that Microsoft has no idea what gamers want, and have to backtrack and change their machine to fit what gamer's want, while Sony has always been in step with gamers, and have created a console that suits their (gamers) needs, and not their (Sony's) bottom line.
It's PR. But well done PR. It's all about public perception. Just look at how masterfully Microsoft shaped public perception with the Xbox 360, compared to how Sony did with the PS3.
no pain at all.
though i am a bit worn out of the shit on MS threads - which this clearly would be from the instant OP hit submit post.
hence why i'm not treating it as a serious topic with goof ball posts to rile up the real warriors.
dragonflys545
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I'm curious what you and the one you quoted think about PS4's lineup initially and within the year. It's very solid and has more announced titles than what's been announced for Xbone.
I actually want to read what games are worth discrediting when putting all 33 launch/window games when making such a statement.
Sony was more about games and right to the point with their show. Stop the BS? I got a strong vibe of games big and small from this show.
Let's not lose rationality and start calling some of these great games sub-par now. I see a very solid lineup of games which much of the world has yet to experience and many of those indies are only on PS4 when they launch.
I've already gone around the corner and back in 2 separate discussions when some have tried to discredit PS4's games and all they did was talk about games for this and next year which are only coming to PS4 first (console wise).
Before I finish, The Witness, Hotline Miami 2, Rime, ResoGun, Transistor, Rogue Legacy, Helldivers, Return to Rapture, and I will stop there. Those just a few of the games that are either coming to PS4 first or are outright exclusives. I won't list more because I just want to prove a point about PS4 having a great show when it comes to games.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Still rockin'
Oh that is priceless!
yeah? do you know what my tag means?