Loved the Captain America stinger at the end, simply hilarious.
Exactly this, was a pretty great experience sitting with an audience for that.
Exactly this, was a pretty great experience sitting with an audience for that.
Spider-Man: Homecoming |OT| MCU's Sweet 16 - SPOILERS
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Given that, faults of the Raimi movies aside they basically completely nailed the comics JJ, I'd be down with them trying something new.
On the other hand, why not just have Robbie Robertson have an actual role? The guy had some decent parts in the comics but he's always been sidelined since he's the straight man to JJ.
crisdecuba
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I know you want to see Spiderman, but I think you're going to have to accept that this Spiderman wants to be an avenger. I thought the climax of the film was great from a story perspective. It fit well into the vulture's motivations and made sense with everything that came before. What other approach for the climax would have made more sense to you? Introduce some other additional heist for the vulture to pull off?
I somehow knew it was about to happen as Peter was being dropped off. Something about the pacing and use of music seemed to be setting up a big twist.
Gunslinger
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One thing I really liked about how diverse the cast is. Anyone who attended public school in NYC knows this is true. The typical all white and 2 minority kid from movies doesn't exist in NYC public schools lol. If anything it's the other way around especially in Queens. So I was really happy to see that the student body was portrayed so realistically.
they also low key dropped an interracial marriage in there with liz's parents
MugiwaraCole
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No, it isn't.
You don't just jump into Sinister Six without all six (or at least five) of the villains being pre-established threats.
Version 3.0
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Fun movie. One big complaint: someone should've told the writers that Spidey has a "Spider Sense". He got blind-sided by every bad guy in the film. It worked in Civil War. What happened?
So was looking up for dates for when the DVD would be released and I realised something, this would be the first Spider-Man movie DVD that I have brought since Spider-Man 2.
Well he is young so Peter hasn't quite yet grasped the mastery of damage control, plus in the comics his action lead to the death of three peoples;
-Uncle Ben due to him refusing to stop the burglar,
-George Stacy, due to Dr. Octopus knocking over a chimney after losing control of his arms when Spider-Man shot him with webbing that would weaken his connection to his arms.
-Gwen Stacy, Peter accidentally snapped her neck when he shot out a line of webbing to save her when the Green Goblin threw her off the bridge, the worse part is that Peter was so arrogant and was patting himself on the back before he realised that Gwen was dead.
Furthermore his destruction also ties nicely that some folk view Spider-Man as a menace, especially the Daily Bugle.
It's only the first movie and in this case it makes sense as Peter is young would need mentoring.
Plus what's the point of Spider-Man finally being in the MCU if non of the character from the MCU aren't in it?
Well he is young so Peter hasn't quite yet grasped the mastery of damage control, plus in the comics his action lead to the death of three peoples;
-Uncle Ben due to him refusing to stop the burglar,
-George Stacy, due to Dr. Octopus knocking over a chimney after losing control of his arms when Spider-Man shot him with webbing that would weaken his connection to his arms.
-Gwen Stacy, Peter accidentally snapped her neck when he shot out a line of webbing to save her when the Green Goblin threw her off the bridge, the worse part is that Peter was so arrogant and was patting himself on the back before he realised that Gwen was dead.
Furthermore his destruction also ties nicely that some folk view Spider-Man as a menace, especially the Daily Bugle.
It's only the first movie and in this case it makes sense as Peter is young would need mentoring.
Plus what's the point of Spider-Man finally being in the MCU if non of the character from the MCU aren't in it?
Pretty much all of Zendaya's lines in the movie:
-"You guys are losers"
-"I can't believe you're at this lame party" "You're at this party too..." "Am I?"
-"Excuse me, can we go already? Because I was hoping to get in some light protesting in front of one of the embassies before dinner."
-"Oh, I'm not in detention. I just like drawing the people stuck in here being bored and frustrated"
-"Actually I'm going to sit this one out, on account of the fact the Washington Monument was actually built by slaves."
-"My friends are up there!"
-"Actually, people call me MJ".
-"You guys are losers"
-"I can't believe you're at this lame party" "You're at this party too..." "Am I?"
-"Excuse me, can we go already? Because I was hoping to get in some light protesting in front of one of the embassies before dinner."
-"Oh, I'm not in detention. I just like drawing the people stuck in here being bored and frustrated"
-"Actually I'm going to sit this one out, on account of the fact the Washington Monument was actually built by slaves."
-"My friends are up there!"
-"Actually, people call me MJ".
there needed to be a clear use of Spidey Sense in Homecoming, but he does get blind sided a lot in CW
Same. I'm shocked it didn't leak somehow ahead of time, that was a really effective twist.
I can vividly remember the last time a Marvel film swerved me:
The GOAT.
I can vividly remember the last time a Marvel film swerved me:
Did you guys know the kid from Iron Man Three is actually Peter Parker!?
two of the better MCU movies right here
I have to consider her shooting a bird at Peter at the party a line, just because it got a huge laugh at my theater. It was just perfectly timed.
Falchion
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The fact that she's MJ and will presumably have a bigger role in the coming movies makes me unreasonably happy. When she flicked him off at the dance I burst out laughing.
man this movie was so good
that last bit after he comes out from under the rubble was so fucking Spider Man. I could hear the inner monologue happening that's happened in so many great Spider Man books. the "whole body aches......can barely move my shoulder......broken ribs......broken fingers.....but I have to keep going." you can feel the desperation when he uses his webshooter at the end.
what a great movie and above all else what a great fucking Spider Man movie
I'll probably see it again this weekend lol
that last bit after he comes out from under the rubble was so fucking Spider Man. I could hear the inner monologue happening that's happened in so many great Spider Man books. the "whole body aches......can barely move my shoulder......broken ribs......broken fingers.....but I have to keep going." you can feel the desperation when he uses his webshooter at the end.
what a great movie and above all else what a great fucking Spider Man movie
I'll probably see it again this weekend lol
MugiwaraCole
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I don't understand complaining that Homecoming is dependent on other MCU movies to work while holding up SM2 as some gold standard when SM2 is dependent on the continuity established in SM1 to work.
Wtf do y'all be talking about?
Wtf do y'all be talking about?
Scrooge McDuck
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It worked only once in Civil War and he's blindsided several times in that movie, too. I chalk it up to Peter still getting used to his "senses getting dialed up to eleven" thing.
she was so damn good. every moment she had was great.
I love how this movie gave all the supporting characters their own arc without hitting the audience over the head with anything. it'll make for better re-watches.
I mean, he dodge a ridiculous number of blows in the film -- a lot of them from behind. But, I think there is also something to the being new to everything, too. It just makes sense that things like fear and adrenaline get in the way of reading his senses right.
Odd comment. Spider-Man 2 bears a natural and obvious connection to Spider-Man on account of being a sequel to the original, and even then that film doesn't really work as an example, given that the opening credits do a great job of bringing people up to speed on the story if they hadn't had a chance to see the first movie.
Conversely, I can understand why some people might be frustrated with needing to see Captain America: Civil War (the third iteration in a completely separate franchise) as a means of developing a working understanding of the context surrounding the story for a Spider-Man in order to enjoy it (Peter's relationship with Tony, the nature of the technological Spider-Man outfit, etc)
For people who hadn't seen Civil War or The Avengers, I could see the opening few minutes of this film being completely bewildering, an effect that wouldn't really happen with newcomers in the audience with much more self-contained films like the Raimi movies.
The pros were holding back in the airport fight.
Scrooge McDuck
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Those are not mutually exclusive, though. Like, you can be young and new and still manage to work over pros who are not actually trying to kill you.
he gets beat by cap while cap is going easy on him
he subdues tws & falcon (indoors) but gets blind sided a lot and ends up getting zipped away by redwing
he barely keeps it together hopping the big items wanda is throwing around
he gets slammed by giant mans arm unintentionally and almost gets KO'd
no retcon needed bruh
Seductivpancakes
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MJ had the best arc.
From " I have no friends" to "my friends call me MJ".
From " I have no friends" to "my friends call me MJ".
Version 3.0
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It's a difficult power to work with. I get that. But he doesn't have to dodge everything. Civil War's scene was frantic, but Spidey held his own very well. He took out Falcon and Winter Soldier at the same time. He took down Giant Man. Cap shook him off; experience won out there. It was a spot-on take on him in that film.
In this one, the more I think about it, the more he seemed incompetent rather than inexperienced. He got his ass kicked by a guy whose only power is a one-handed punch. That scene was ripe for a good use of Spider Sense. Hell, the Vulture dropping the roof on him would've worked 1000% better if it had been set up with him using Spider Sense in their earlier fights. Again, experience could've won out. Instead, competence won out over incompetence.
Anyway, the film is character driven. Ultimately, good Marvel stories are never about the powers, so it's good they got that more important part right. But it would be nice if they represented his powers correctly.
stark makes it clear to pete that cap would have worked him if he was trying to
I sort of disagree. As much as I liked her as a character, MJ didn't really have an arc in this film at all.
For instance, what particular circumstance or event in the movie could we say eventually led MJ to start accepting friends in her? What transformation did she undergo as a person? What lessons did she learn, in any way that was connected to the plot of the film? That line offers the illusion of her character undergoing some kind of personal change without actually putting in any of the work to develop her character to make that culmination feel at all natural.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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An airport is has less noise sources than Queens.
Haloid1177
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I would also like to add as I'm rewatching Civil War that they make note of his spider sense during the scene with him and Bucky and Falcon so like it's a thing. I need my continuity Marvel!
EDIT: Didn't see the other posts. Eh I didn't think that's how Spidey sense function but alright. Better than nothing I guess.
EDIT: Didn't see the other posts. Eh I didn't think that's how Spidey sense function but alright. Better than nothing I guess.
great point
Seductivpancakes
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Not really serious about that and she's really there to setup for what I assume is a bigger role in the sequel.
He can say whatever he wants in the movie. That line of dialog was placed there to specifically address the incongruity between the two movies.
😂
she hangs out with those people enough to become familiar with them, enjoy their company, and eventually consider them friends. it's all really well done. honestly the fact they didn't hit the audience over the head with that stuff made it hit more with me. when they're in danger in the washington monument it's framed as the first time where she realizes that she considers them friends. it took a traumatic event for her to realize that she cares about those people. it was also well done and in character how that moment is when she realizes that she considers them friends but she doesn't actually reveal that to them until the end of the movie. also consider the contrast of the party at liz's house and the brief glimpse of MJ at the homecoming dance. at liz's party she has that great line where she's like "am I?" in regards to actually being at the party. flash forward to the dance and when she's shown dancing around with her friends and flicking off peter and you can tell that she is actually at this one. she's there with her friends having a good time.
so I disagree, MJ's arc was perfect and even more poignant because it was subtly executed. I think if you watch it again you'll agree.
not really, it was established in Civil War that they weren't going all out against each other during the airport fight. it's all consistent.
Seductivpancakes
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Great points.
I also think it was best they kind of kept MJ's lines and screen presence minimal as it would just feel like a love triangle story and that would kind of suck imo.
bananafactory
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I'll have to watch it again but I do think MJ was underdeveloped. Fine as a 'tease' to set up the character for a next movie but as a supporting role in this she's almost non-existent, only popping up every 15-20 minutes to deliver a joke it seems. Liz was better fleshed out but I think still weak compared to Ned, with all the Breakfast Club talk I kinda thought all Peters student friends would get equal care from the script.
Not really anything that tempered my enjoyment of the movie, just an observation.
Not really anything that tempered my enjoyment of the movie, just an observation.
WordsintheWater
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I was really hoping he would make his own suit after refusing the one Stark tried to give him in the end, the black lines on the costume still look terrible to me.
Seductivpancakes
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Yea was kind of expecting him to just sew his own less high tech suit.
I think you're absolutely reaching here with a lot of these observations, conflating an absence of character development for MJ in the film with "subtlety" but I appreciate your perspective.