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Spider-Man: Homecoming review thread [92% RT]
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Despite Cap being pushed as the embodiment of nobility all throughout.
Iron Man came out looking the more human and relatable by the end of it.
Cap's a giant asshole in Civil War, one that virtually everyone in the movie pats on the back and praises, which makes it all the more jarring.
MisterHero
Super Member
Yeah well they couldn't heel turn RDJ like they did Comics Tony
Glass Rebel
Member
Let's not act like Tony wasn't acting out of selfish reasons either.
Whether X is an asshole has nothing to do with whether Y is a dick.
Yeah weirdest thing was Clint getting angry about Tony though. I mean wtf you idiot were retired came back, chose a side that refused orders of the government and then got mad at a old friend who tried to solve this peacefully.
It made no sense for him being against this, the accords would make the avengers agents like he was all his life.
Only disappointment for me in that film was that
Cap didn't stick his shield through Iron Man's head at the end
Primethius
Banned
Yep. Given how awful DCEU's Superman turned out to be, it makes me appreciate even more how well they pulled off Cap. WW was also a way better Supes than Snyder's pathetic rendition.
broncobuster
Banned
And that's after toning it way down from the comic Civil War. Even they realized the sketchy "you move" speech paints Cap in a very bad light.
Standing up for the only friend he had left from his previous life.
Primethius
Banned
In the comic, nothing. That was basically Tony being a huge idiot and an asshole. No idea why they pretended that the comic was even remotely ambiguous to who was in the right, especially since Osborn comes in after and uses Tony's shit to make the world a far worse place like practically anyone with a brain told Tony during the actual story line.
In the movie, Cap's motivation is far more self-centered. It was way more Cap vs. Tony then Cap. vs. U.S Gov't. or Cap fighting for the hero community at large. So it's much easier to come away from the movie not picking a side at all or going with Tony due to the personal stakes at play.
He didn't do anything bad per se - it's just the hero worship here on gaf can be really ostentatious.
IndoAssassin
Banned
Why are we talking about cap and Iron Man in a Spider-man thread lol?
Civil War was that good
Civil War was that good
In 10 years, nobody will be talking about Spider Man. Only Civil War. It'll age like fine wine.
the objective measure of a good movie. /s
Not just signing the accords to be a friend.
The choice was between 1) don't sign, breaking the law now and making things difficult insantly, or 2) sign and break the law when you feel it needs to be broken and make things difficult later.
I only really liked Cap in the First Avenger. He has that corny sort of earnestness that I love in superheroes... like, Christopher Reeves as Superman, Tobey Maguire and Spider-Man, maybe even Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. They're like... all characters with zero self-awareness. You sort of laugh at them for being naive and goofy, but you can't help admiring them, too.
It's a tough line to walk. I'm curious of Tom Holland can pull that off... he wasn't really in that same mold in Civil War.
Yeah, for real. Black Widow had things absolutely right - yeah, this is kind of a shitty hand to be dealt, but let's put our heads down and go along with it to keep some sort of control and keep fighting the good fight. Mr. Morals says, nope, I cannot tell a lie, so I'm going to splinter the Avengers and put people's lives at risk by becoming an international fugitive.
Like, would the Accords make it more difficult to help people in need? Sure. You know what else makes that difficult? Having to spend half of your time dodging international authorities.
That's not even getting into the fact that, let's be a real, a privately-owned American hit squad shouldn't have the freedom to fly around the world punching problems away in the first place.
It's a tough line to walk. I'm curious of Tom Holland can pull that off... he wasn't really in that same mold in Civil War.
Yeah, for real. Black Widow had things absolutely right - yeah, this is kind of a shitty hand to be dealt, but let's put our heads down and go along with it to keep some sort of control and keep fighting the good fight. Mr. Morals says, nope, I cannot tell a lie, so I'm going to splinter the Avengers and put people's lives at risk by becoming an international fugitive.
Like, would the Accords make it more difficult to help people in need? Sure. You know what else makes that difficult? Having to spend half of your time dodging international authorities.
That's not even getting into the fact that, let's be a real, a privately-owned American hit squad shouldn't have the freedom to fly around the world punching problems away in the first place.
By the way guys, to those of you who don't know, we also have an official thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe (OT) where all things gets discussed regularly. Please join in, so we can have more discussions, and maybe even discuss the accords, Steve Rogers and Tony Stark more in depth.
I totally agree with this.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
his friend is a murderer
Who was brainwashed and not in control of himself. He didn't seem to oppose Bucky being arrested and punished for his crimes. He just wanted to bring him in alive.
We just gonna act like mind control isn't a thing then?
Whats your stance on Hawkeye murdering half of the Hellcarrier in Avengers 1?
Iron Man should have blown his head of, right?
Holland Spidey is incredibly quirky.
Really different from any of the other heroes you've mentioned. I think that's gonna be what sells him.
And based off of Civil War, I'm so in.
More_Badass
Member
Also the only MCU hero with a secret identity (I think?)
Nah man. Break his neck with arm propulsion.
Edit: Also how the fuck is this holding, review-wise? Its even kinda increasing. I was anticipating a mediocre whole with at great spidey. I'm so happy meh trailers seems to have translated into something pretty good. Spidey is special to me. Chiefly due to Raimi hitting it out of the park,mostly, in my early teens.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
In the movies, yeah.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Cap's whole reason for not signing was he didn't trust the government to do what was right. The issues with Tony for Cap didn't really come up until the end when Tony tried to murder an innocent man who also happens to be Steve's best friend.
Which version of that movie did any of you watch? Seriously.
Spidey still at 92%. Whew.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Back to 93%
Lifejumper
Member
Should come any moment. 75 reviews are needed for it to become certified fresh.
Back to 93%
Haha beat me to it. Wonder if it will creep to 94% as more reviews trickle in? Then again Armond White will probably fuck that up while claiming the Amazing Spiderman 2 better than There Will Be Blood
Evil's Bane
Member
Wanda was what probably shifted his judgement. Otherwise He probably wouldn't have gotten involved.
It was. He made a call back to his 'step out there and you're an Avenger' speech when he picked her up and told Cap he was in because he owed a debt to Petro.
Locking a woman in her room essentially is probably what got him to join #TeamCap
I usually don't give a damn about superhero movies. The only ones I have seen on the last 15 years have been precisely Spider Man 1 and 2 by Sam Raimi... so this re-re-re-re-re-reboot has somehow captured my attention and it might the first superhero movie I see on decades lol. The excellent reviews are a huge plus too!
I don't think they intended to make him a heel like in the comics. That's why Civil War was so good. You understood both Cap and Tony's conflicts and motives. Got me wanting to rewatch it now lol.
Fancyarcher
Member
Lol at the Cap hate here. Cap's great.
Clint also worked for SHIELD which, as it turns out, was really HYDRA, so he'd probably be on Cap's side anyway. Widow is different in that she's desperately trying to find a family in the Avengers and just wanted everybody to be together no matter what.
Both sides had fairly equal arguments to make. The only thing that makes me lean towards Team Cap is that Tony was more wrong for dragging Spider-Man into the conflict.
Both sides had fairly equal arguments to make. The only thing that makes me lean towards Team Cap is that Tony was more wrong for dragging Spider-Man into the conflict.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I'm hoping the quips are more than a shallow character trait of "he's just funny". It's better when they dive into character traits and make a story suited for them.
Here's to hoping.
Here's to hoping.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
#teamcap cuz Cap is just better but yeah, in the movie both arguments have merit. It's how they personally try to convince one another that causes the breakdown. Steve and Tony both fucked up big time and I love that compared to the shit comic version.
You will disappointed and hate it even when this is the case