Spiderman Villains VS Batman Villains: Who Wins In A Fight?

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googleplex said:
Of course it is.
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Did you forget that New York is home to half of the Marvel Universe's heroes? It's not like DC where each hero (and their related allies) gets a city and it's hands off to the others, even if the reigning protector is unable to transform their turf from a crime ridden shit hole like Gotham.

Batman rogues would last 5 seconds in Marvel New York. The Punisher would kill most of the non-powered ones.
 
Manmademan said:
1973 Joker was pretty much this guy:
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Ya know Joker's Five Way Revenge came out in '73 right. It returned him to the mass murderer antics he was doing in the Golden Age, long before the Green Goblin even existed

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ViewtifulJC said:
Ya know Joker's Five Way Revenge came out in '73 right. It returned him to the mass murderer antics he was doing in the Golden Age, long before the Green Goblin even existed
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Ya, the Campy Batman stuff ended around that time, but Green Goblin was dead in comics for like 20 years. His initial characterization before the Gwen Stacey stuff (1964-1973) was largely taking place when Batman camp was in full swing.
 
kswiston said:
Ya, the Campy Batman stuff ended around that time, but Green Goblin was dead in comics for like 20 years. His initial characterization before the Gwen Stacey stuff (1964-1973) was largely taking place when Batman camp was in full swing.
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Exactly. and even though norman was dead, the goblin mantle got passed to harry, who picked right up where norman left off, because the goblin serum makes you totally homicidal if you take it.

Hobgoblin was introduced right after that, and that dude wasn't crazy at all, just a ruthless fucking killer. It was a good decade or so before anyone even found out who he was.

edit: being clear- it's obvious that neither character was a ripoff of the other- superficially there are similar themes. but it's also disingenuous to pretend that the current version of joker is the same one that's been through DC comics going back to his origin. the character has changed a LOT.

edit: the wiki article around hobgoblin's identity is just hilarious.
 
kswiston said:
Batman rogues would last 5 seconds in Marvel New York. The Punisher would kill most of the non-powered ones.
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Only one Frank wouldn't immediately kill would be Clayface, and that's solely due to him not dying to a bullet to the head.

That's kinda unfair, tho, given that Frank could also kill almost all spiderman villains. Heck, he soloed the vulture with a knife.
 
Manmademan said:
Exactly. and even though norman was dead, the goblin mantle got passed to harry, who picked right up where norman left off, because the goblin serum makes you totally homicidal if you take it.

Hobgoblin was introduced right after that, and that dude wasn't crazy at all, just a ruthless fucking killer. It was a good decade or so before anyone even found out who he was.

edit: being clear- it's obvious that neither character was a ripoff of the other- superficially there are similar themes. but it's also disingenuous to pretend that the current version of joker is the same one that's been through DC comics going back to his origin. the character has changed a LOT.

edit: the wiki article around hobgoblin's identity is just hilarious.
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"The mystery became further complicated after James Owsley came on as editor of the Spider-Man titles. Owsley's relationship with DeFalco and artist Ron Frenz was strained from the beginning, and so when Owsley asked who the Hobgoblin was at a Spider-Man creators conference, DeFalco lied and said it was Ned Leeds. Owsley then wrote the one-shot Spider-Man vs Wolverine in which Ned Leeds is killed off (though the actual death is not shown), and instructed The Spectacular Spider-Man writer Peter David to reveal the Hobgoblin as the Foreigner."

LOL
 
Manmademan said:
edit: being clear- it's obvious that neither character was a ripoff of the other- superficially there are similar themes. but it's also disingenuous to pretend that the current version of joker is the same one that's been through DC comics going back to his origin. the character has changed a LOT.
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Norman Osborn has changed quite a bit too, if not quite as much. He's gone from this goofy crime boss to relatively normal supporting character with selective amnesia who will randomly burst into violence. Then he came back 20 years later cuz "shit we don't have an ending to this Clone Saga thing we need somebody come up with someone big enough, bad enough, and around long enough, to have been pulling Miles Warren's strings from the very beginning uhhhh OH I GOT IT NORMAN OSBORN" and now he's this machiavellian Lex Luthor type who's just as evil outside the green suit as he's in.
 
Manmademan said:
Exactly. and even though norman was dead, the goblin mantle got passed to harry, who picked right up where norman left off, because the goblin serum makes you totally homicidal if you take it.

Hobgoblin was introduced right after that, and that dude wasn't crazy at all, just a ruthless fucking killer. It was a good decade or so before anyone even found out who he was.

edit: being clear- it's obvious that neither character was a ripoff of the other- superficially there are similar themes. but it's also disingenuous to pretend that the current version of joker is the same one that's been through DC comics going back to his origin. the character has changed a LOT.

edit: the wiki article around hobgoblin's identity is just hilarious.
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I feel sorry for the Demogoblin, dude went through identities like Hank Pym.
 
flaxknuckles said:
"The mystery became further complicated after James Owsley came on as editor of the Spider-Man titles. Owsley's relationship with DeFalco and artist Ron Frenz was strained from the beginning, and so when Owsley asked who the Hobgoblin was at a Spider-Man creators conference, DeFalco lied and said it was Ned Leeds. Owsley then wrote the one-shot Spider-Man vs Wolverine in which Ned Leeds is killed off (though the actual death is not shown), and instructed The Spectacular Spider-Man writer Peter David to reveal the Hobgoblin as the Foreigner."

LOL
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I mean, you can't make this shit up if you tried
 
Coriolanus said:
Only one Frank wouldn't immediately kill would be Clayface, and that's solely due to him not dying to a bullet to the head.

That's kinda unfair, tho, given that Frank could also kill almost all spiderman villains. Heck, he soloed the vulture with a knife.
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Punisher kills lower level villains on occasion, but he specializes in organized crime. A fair chunk of Batman's rogues are crime bosses (Two Face, The Penguin, Black Mask, etc), so I think they would be specifically targeted. People like Killer Croc and Clayface could probably blend into the general background of supervillains if they weren't trying to run things.
 
Slayven said:
Not as bad as when they changed the ID for Monarch to Hawk from Captain Atom because it leaked. Then invented a character with a super power specially to make the change fit.
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At least we don't have to worry about things like this in current events. Marvel and DC usually leak the big beats of those on purpose.
 
Manmademan said:
you say this, but watch Rabum Alal end up being Rick Jones from Earth #32948230948
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Will most likely be Nega-Strange or something mystic-related. Explains why Black Swan hates his guts, and why the incursions involve earth. Also relates to his blood bible shenanigans.
 
I actually think Batman's villains would win. Spidey's mid and low tier villains could probably beat Batman's mid and low tier villains, but Batman's top tier villains would shit on Spidey's in my opinion.

Ra's and Deathstroke would have a field day, plus Mr Freeze could probably negate Venom and Carnage fairly easily.
 
Sinatar said:
Don't even joke about that.
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Sephzilla said:
I actually think Batman's villains would win. Spidey's mid and low tier villains could probably beat Batman's mid and low tier villains, but Batman's top tier villains would shit on Spidey's in my opinion.

Ra's and Deathstroke would have a field day, plus Mr Freeze could probably negate Venom and Carnage fairly easily.
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Ra is one of the first to go down, and Kraven would merc Deathstroke. Let alone Scorpion.
 
I thought Deathstroke was a Teen Titans villain? If you can include him on Bats side then Spidey gets Juggernaut. Then, ole Jughead proceeds to squash the entirety of Gotham's criminal denizens in less than a minute.
 
Sephzilla said:
I actually think Batman's villains would win. Spidey's mid and low tier villains could probably beat Batman's mid and low tier villains, but Batman's top tier villains would shit on Spidey's in my opinion.

Ra's and Deathstroke would have a field day, plus Mr Freeze could probably negate Venom and Carnage fairly easily.
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Tell us more about this opinion.

Neither venom nor carnage are vulnerable to cold, by the way- and both are substantially faster than freeze is.
 
Sephzilla said:
I actually think Batman's villains would win. Spidey's mid and low tier villains could probably beat Batman's mid and low tier villains, but Batman's top tier villains would shit on Spidey's in my opinion.

Ra's and Deathstroke would have a field day, plus Mr Freeze could probably negate Venom and Carnage fairly easily.
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They're symbiotes. They evolved in the vacuum of space, which is why they don't have defenses to fire or sonics.

Cold, on the other hand...
 
Manmademan said:
Tell us more about this opinion.

Neither venom nor carnage are vulnerable to cold, by the way- and both are substantially faster than freeze is.
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im using my crazy logic with freeze vs venom/carnage.

Freeze's gun was shown to be super effective against Inque in Batman Beyond. Inque is the closest parallel to a Marvel symbiote that DC has (Batman Beyond had multiple notable parallels to Marvel characters). Applying that logic, Freeze's tech should be able to suppress them imo. Also while the symbiotes may be less resilient to Freeze's tech than Inque was, the symbiotes still have to rely on their host body - which is totally vulnerable.

Also, this is a silly comic book thread - don't take my logic too seriously.
 
When we are talking about ras are we taking in account his resources too (he is known most for his assassins and lazarus pit)? Because I think Norman has him beat in that department, though now he doesn't have the backing of the government and thunderbolts on his leash.
 
Vermillion said:
They're symbiotes. They evolved in the vacuum of space, which is why they don't have defenses to fire or sonics.

Cold, on the other hand...
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Why do people keep thinking that the vacuum of space is cold? It can be, sure, but outside of earth? You gon' git cooked. Fast.

Also Mysterio > Ras and Deathstroke.

Sephzilla said:
im using my crazy logic with freeze vs venom/carnage.

Freeze's gun was shown to be super effective against Inque in Batman Beyond. Inque is the closest parallel to a Marvel symbiote that DC has (Batman Beyond had multiple notable parallels to Marvel characters). Applying that logic, Freeze's tech should be able to suppress them imo. Also while the symbiotes may be less resilient to Freeze's tech than Inque was, the symbiotes still have to rely on their host body - which is totally vulnerable.

Also, this is a silly comic book thread - don't take my logic too seriously.
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The host body is only vulnerable after the symbiote has been handled. Ice cages are useless against something that can expand and contract by significant amounts.
 
SixMachine said:
When we are talking about ras are we taking in account his resources too (he is known most for his assassins and lazarus pit)? Because I think Norman has him beat in that department, though now he doesn't have the backing of the government and thunderbolts on his leash.
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Otto had enough dirty money stashed away to buy and convert his own island fortress, then hire a private army to patrol New York, complete with spider mechs.
 
Ra's , Deathstroke, Bane, Croc and Clayface pretty sweet team and Deadshot other side map sniping do well.

But doesn't matter Sandman is broken and stomp everybody on his own actually would Clayface residue affect Sandman

Also throw in Scarecrow gassing whole city for shits n giggle
 
People say that Batman's villains are smarter, but I don't recall the Joker managing to make himself a beloved national hero, and put in charge of national security.

Stormin' Norman would solo Batman's entire lineup.
 
Ein Bear said:
People say that Batman's villains are smarter, but I don't recall the Joker managing to make himself a beloved national hero, and put in charge of national security.

Stormin' Norman would solo Batman's entire lineup.
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Or steal Batman's body and parade around as him for a year, while earning a PhD in their spare time.
 
Manmademan said:
Otto had enough dirty money stashed away to buy and convert his own island fortress, then hire a private army to patrol New York, complete with spider mechs.
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Really makes you wonder how Spider-Man has spare time when he has to deal with assholes like this on a near daily basis.
 
Jarmel said:
Really makes you wonder how Spider-Man has spare time when he has to deal with assholes like this on a near daily basis.
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That's largely because, as Superior Spider-Man pointed out so well, peter is a horrendously inefficient spider-man.

Also a masochist.
 
More_Badass said:
Okay that looks cool. What arc/story?
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Carnage USA - Not the best storyline, but heck its Carnage being Carnage
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Coriolanus said:
The host body is only vulnerable after the symbiote has been handled. Ice cages are useless against something that can expand and contract by significant amounts.
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And even then a new host can be found relatively easily......and unless the host body is pretty much incinerated, the symbiote can resuscitate and heal the host seemingly with no limits.
 
Yeah, spidey villains are powerful when they need to be. The ones (spidey villains) with actual powers are not even half as smart or as manipulative (or as crazy scary) as Batman's rogues. You can show me Dark Reign crap all you want, that's just boring to me.
 
Schweinehund said:
It's pretty easy to see.

Deathstroke can emit the right frequencies? Deathstroke wins.

Otherwise Venom or Carnage found a new host.

I love Venom but god damn he has like the easiest weakness to exploit.
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Deathstroke don't know what we know, if they met in a dark alley, who would win?
 
devilsadvocat said:
Deathstroke don't know what we know, if they met in a dark alley, who would win?
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Depends on which version of Deathstroke.

Terminator or New Teen Titans Deathstroke manhandled Batman and the entire Teen Titans squad. He should have no problems, at worst escape and re-plan.

The pussy DCAU/Arkham series Deathstroke would get eaten.
 
i wonder how spiderman would do against a scare crow if they could get his spider sense off with the fear gas. Batman vs Kraven the Hunter would be epic..
 
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