SketchTheArtist
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AgentOtaku said:
The levels have been designed so that you can finish the whole game without killing anyone. Just like previous Splinter Cell title, so don't worry, they thought about old fans of the series.
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Splinter Cell Conviction |OT| The Rebourne Panther
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The levels have been designed so that you can finish the whole game without killing anyone. Just like previous Splinter Cell title, so don't worry, they thought about old fans of the series.
Always-honest
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you can finish the game WITHOUT killing a single person? you sure?SketchTheArtist said:
CloakedPuppet
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miladesn said:
Nope. Normal. Saving realistic for next play-through.
eshwaaz said:
No problem. Hope you get around the same time out of it. I really don't know how someone could get through this a LOT faster on their first time through.
The Bookerman
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I would Suggest that you read this month'S gamepro. John Davison's article on Conviction goes in-depth on what happened between 2006 and the games release. Awesome write-up Davison.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
So for those who have finished the game, was the part in the demo where you go into the basement and rescue the scientist in the actual game itself as it was in the demo?
I would also ask something else but it would be too much of a spoiler.
I would also ask something else but it would be too much of a spoiler.
CloakedPuppet
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Darkmakaimura said:So for those who have finished the game, was the part in the demo where you go into the basement and rescue the scientist in the actual game itself as it was in the demo?
I would also ask something else but it would be too much of a spoiler.
Yep - it's in the game.
Yes, but obviously the beginning, and also the ending of the level are different.Darkmakaimura said:So for those who have finished the game, was the part in the demo where you go into the basement and rescue the scientist in the actual game itself as it was in the demo?
I would also ask something else but it would be too much of a spoiler.
Always-honest
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seriously. what is the answer?.. cause i'm not getting any.
can you finish the game without killing ANYONE?
for the record: it's not something i would do. i love stealth killing. but i want to know.
can you finish the game without killing ANYONE?
for the record: it's not something i would do. i love stealth killing. but i want to know.
SuperAwesome
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Always-honest said:
no, even in the stealth video created by ubisoft they had to kill someone.
AgentOtaku
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SketchTheArtist said:
man I hope so!
If so, I'll happily go back and replay everything I've done so far...but I honestly don't believe it can happen. There are no non-lethal take-downs, there are no distraction tools. Am I completely missing the ability to whistle? Or to pick up a can and throw it?SketchTheArtist said:
If you've played it this way, or if you know how, please, please, please tell me. Heck, take the beginning of the second mission. Tell me how to pick up the C4 and plant it without being detected/without killing? (spoilered, of course)
I'm just not seeing the 'slip in, slip out undetected' gameplay anymore. I did one level without being seen, got to the final room, and in it were two guards on high alert screaming out threats to me. I had no other choice but to kill them.
I really, really hope that I'm completely missing something and you're right, but situations like those three guards around the C4 just make it seem impossible, not to mention how you're supposed to plant the C4.
That, and I'm continually hearing the dev team talk about the character of Sam as if he's the ultimate predator, an incredibly efficient killing machine, but this isn't the way I've ever played Sam. He's always been the ultimate Shadow, the guy who could do a job without anyone even sure if he was there or not.
Oh, and the praise for the AI that I've been seeing...the AI's not bad, and runs some nice sweeps, but know that I've seen a number of situations where they're just not aware. If two guards are standing with their backs to adjacent windows, and you kill one of them by pulling him out, the other guard will not notice. It's as if they have zero peripheral vision. On the other hand, sometimes if you use a silenced pistol and shoot out a light, they instantly scream "Fisher!" no matter how unaware they were of your presence.
I'm liking the game, honestly, would give it a 4/5, but it is so not a Splinter Cell game for me.
Jesus christ, I just pulled a guy in front of another guard and remained undetected! :lol Playing this at friends house. Gotta say without the M&E and slower movement it feels abit like home and is more satisfying.
The story here, however is weird. Past character personalities suddenly are changed, lol Grim anyone?!
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The story here, however is weird. Past character personalities suddenly are changed, lol Grim anyone?!
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You can't pass the entire game without killing anyone. There's occasions where you're forced to kill. For intance the flashback scene, where it's a pure shooter. Most levels have occasional areas where killing is necessary in turn to pass, like this narrow area where three guys just stood and stood and there's no other routine.K' Dash said:
Milk Lizard
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SketchTheArtist said:
At one point you have to gun fire like some kind of gears/uncharted... Only with worse shooting and a terrible cover system (for shooting... good for the stealth).
disappeared
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Colocho said:
Go crazy, but it ain't the Splinter Cells of old.
LordPhoque
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What about the graphics ? Is the final version sub-HD ?
Milk Lizard
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LordPhoque said:
Well I haven't exactly counted pixels but it does look pretty sub-hd at times. The game overall looks good though, especially in crowded places it can look pretty damm good. Biggest complain is easily the AI which at times seems even more retarded than in the demo, only playing on normal though but that is no excuse for the enemies for example getting into cover on the wrong side so they are fully exposed to you in a middle of a gunfight.
LordPhoque
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Milk Lizard said:
Thanks. Waiting for more reviews & impressions, but I'll probably buy this day one.
Also :
True ?
Jason's Ultimatum
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I didn't know there was an Iraq level. Are there videos up anywhere?
Cold-Steel
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I'm so excited for this game to come out. I just love playing the demo over and over and over again.
I keep finding new ways to be entertained. I know it's nowhere near as good as Chaos Theory but oh man it is fun in its own little way.
Nothing beats walking behind someone, taking them hostage and tossing them into a huge group of people and then proceeding to try and roll into them like bowling pins :lol
I keep finding new ways to be entertained. I know it's nowhere near as good as Chaos Theory but oh man it is fun in its own little way.
Nothing beats walking behind someone, taking them hostage and tossing them into a huge group of people and then proceeding to try and roll into them like bowling pins :lol
indigo-cyclops
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Bah, whatever. Decided I won't cancel my pre-order and will pick this up on the 360. Seems like there's still a Splinter Cell game there and I enjoyed the demo for the most part. I'm quite excited for the co-op stuff in fact.
Those who are playing it, how's it fare in comparison to the other games?
Those who are playing it, how's it fare in comparison to the other games?
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
A couple of those videos don't work. Any other full video walkthroughs?DrBo42 said:
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
I really want to get this for the PC, is Ubi's DRM bad enough for me to completely avoid the game?
SketchTheArtist
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MattKeil said:
Not really. There are instances where the requires you to kill enemies but they're pretty rare.
Just like in Chaos Theory where you had to kill the revolution leader on the boat. The game forced you to kill him, even when you did a non-lethal takedown, it played the animation for the lethal one but didn't count as one.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
That's not the full game, is it? It's missing quite a few stages.shinnn said:
MrCompletely
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I hit one area (right when you get the sticky cam) that I must have replayed over 15 times. First few times I died (playing on realistic) but I then kept getting past it. I kept going back to that checkpoint to replay the scene and try new things - simply because the game is FUN. It's a different splinter cell game but it's no less awesome. Here are some things I've noticed that stand out:
level design: in this game, more than any other splinter cell, you can use the environment to your advantage. In an given level there are at least 3 or 4 ways to get from point a to b. Pipes, windows, ledges, dynamic lighting are all extemely prevalent and only limit you to your own creativity.
Cover system: is simply perfect for a stealth action game like this. You can move so swiftly from cover to cover and There's never any second guessing on whether you are in an enemy's line of site. Simple visual cues let you traverse the environment without thinking about it. Shooting from cover is slick and satisfying
personal emp: maybe the best gadget in any splinter cell game. This gadget (in addition to disabling all electronics in your area) sends a wave of blind confusion over your enemies, allowing you to exercise creative freedom in harassing them (or simply getting past them). Fun to combine this with other gadgets and see what you can accomplish, whether it's wrangling enemies out of your path or killing as many as possible at once.
Pec challenge system: I haven't seen this talked about much at all but the game rewards you for combining moves and using stealth. You get points from completing these challenges to spend on weapon upgrades. One of the challenges is to complete a level without being detected and without using a bullet. There's a fair amount of these challenges, completionists will need mulitiple playthroughs to hit them all.
Other content: there's quite a bit of content on the disc with the coop modes. You can play most of the content single player as well, and it's perfectly doable; I can't attest to whether debiable ops is balanced for single player, but it feels like it is. I haven't tried the stuff in coop yet. Seems like a fair amount of attention was given to the non campaign portion of content.
level design: in this game, more than any other splinter cell, you can use the environment to your advantage. In an given level there are at least 3 or 4 ways to get from point a to b. Pipes, windows, ledges, dynamic lighting are all extemely prevalent and only limit you to your own creativity.
Cover system: is simply perfect for a stealth action game like this. You can move so swiftly from cover to cover and There's never any second guessing on whether you are in an enemy's line of site. Simple visual cues let you traverse the environment without thinking about it. Shooting from cover is slick and satisfying
personal emp: maybe the best gadget in any splinter cell game. This gadget (in addition to disabling all electronics in your area) sends a wave of blind confusion over your enemies, allowing you to exercise creative freedom in harassing them (or simply getting past them). Fun to combine this with other gadgets and see what you can accomplish, whether it's wrangling enemies out of your path or killing as many as possible at once.
Pec challenge system: I haven't seen this talked about much at all but the game rewards you for combining moves and using stealth. You get points from completing these challenges to spend on weapon upgrades. One of the challenges is to complete a level without being detected and without using a bullet. There's a fair amount of these challenges, completionists will need mulitiple playthroughs to hit them all.
Other content: there's quite a bit of content on the disc with the coop modes. You can play most of the content single player as well, and it's perfectly doable; I can't attest to whether debiable ops is balanced for single player, but it feels like it is. I haven't tried the stuff in coop yet. Seems like a fair amount of attention was given to the non campaign portion of content.
Bullshit.SketchTheArtist said:
To interrogate the one guy you need to kill everyone else in the room. You can't defend the computer during the hack sequence without killing anyone either.
You can generally avoid people during exploration and traversal of the levels, but you are forced to kill people during the game.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Is co-op lobby or invite-only?
MrCompletely
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There is matchmakingLabouredSubterfuge said:
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
MrCompletely said:
Thank God.