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[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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AmaterasuOni
Banned
If you're an X-Men fan, no. If you don't care about the old school X-Men, then play Doom. It's a fan movie.
Quack quack?
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
No, especially if you're an X-Men fan
Regarding Jubilee and why they even bothered to make a big deal about her being cast and all, I think they're setting her up for X-Men '92.
Still, it was disappointing that she's just youngster at the school with barely any screentime and even more so if I turn out to be wrong when X-Men '92 rolls around.
I think it's more egregrious how the Four Horsemen are treated outside of the big showcase fight.
Still, it was disappointing that she's just youngster at the school with barely any screentime and even more so if I turn out to be wrong when X-Men '92 rolls around.
I think it's more egregrious how the Four Horsemen are treated outside of the big showcase fight.
I don't think so personally. For all it's faults, the film also does a lot of things right, especially if you're an X-Men fan.
Yes, yes, yes
YesNOnoNOYes
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i like her outfit and how munn looks as her, but yeaaaaaaaaaaaah. they didnt give psylocke any room to breathe any character in there and her psychic knife was weird lookingggggg
agree about the horsemen. the ones in the opening scene was much more awesomer *_____*
and yesyesyesyesyes quicksilver was an absolute delight to watch. i just geeked the hell out when he came on screen and squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee to next tuesday :>
YesNOnoNOYes
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no. wasn't explained >:O
the real stryker gots him caged then he came out and killed loads of soldiers before he ran off into the snowy wilderness
the scene was awesome like whoa
but yeah, they didn't explain how he got to be there and why mystique!stryker let him go to the real stryker etc >:O
Hmm that's dumb but I guess it would veer too close to how Mystique is actually in the comics so better they just forget that scene in DoFP ever happened. I'm so mixed on whether I want to see this in the cinema or not but I love the X-Men so I'll probably go this weekend.
YesNOnoNOYes
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go seeeeee :>
it has weak parts but it was also very fun
i really like charles and moira and young cyclops and quicksilver and the opening scene's horsewoman was so terrific ...
and yeah, they seemed to act as if they just conveniently forgot that scene from DoFP about how mystique is not actually too goodygoodygoo (as you say, closer to the comics) but maybe.... well, i am hoping maybe they will address it in the future. somehow.
but yes, go see :> it was really fun! first half was really delightful~
It is a bad film. The entire creative team behind it needs to be fired.
It seems like they went in with the intent to pander to the fans as much as possible, but they ended up doing it all in the lamest way they could and as a detriment to the plot.
You could see every piece of direction Singer gave to his cast. Psylocke's final shot was hilarious.
It seems like they went in with the intent to pander to the fans as much as possible, but they ended up doing it all in the lamest way they could and as a detriment to the plot.
You could see every piece of direction Singer gave to his cast. Psylocke's final shot was hilarious.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Saw it. Thought it was ok. Lots of baffling editing and direction here, but it could be the version that I watched was censored. That's probably unlikely. Although they did cut some audio like cuss words*** and a mention of Vietnam in the phrase "Vietnam War". Guess which country I'm from.
***I don't even know why. Deadpool has tons of profanity and wasn't cut except for some of the violent scenes and the sex scene.
***I don't even know why. Deadpool has tons of profanity and wasn't cut except for some of the violent scenes and the sex scene.
Finaika
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I forgot, what was her final shot?
Mr. Pointy
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^
It's better than BvS. If you can get cheap tickets it's worth it.
It's better than BvS. If you can get cheap tickets it's worth it.
That turn, pause and glare. I want a gif of it.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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I don't think Apocalypse's reception is anywhere near as bad as what BvS got. Just look at this thread and even RottenTomatoes, the reviews are mixed but they are not that vicious compared to the toxic response to Snyder's film. BvS was a 1/5 for me despite loving Man of Steel and this movie is a 3. It is a very enjoyable and fun mess of a movie.
My completely opinionated baseless comparative reviews:
BvS is a bad movie with some good bits. Apoc is a Good movie with some bad bits.
Namely, Apocalypse: Costume Designer. And the Magneto family death failed as a scene, sweet arrow double kill, into "mai babiez nooo", into "is this what you want me to be?!?" so lame.
Loved most of the rest, new kids killed it, Quicksilver so good (flash movie plz), Moira emotional reunion hit home for me.
BvS is a bad movie with some good bits. Apoc is a Good movie with some bad bits.
Namely, Apocalypse: Costume Designer. And the Magneto family death failed as a scene, sweet arrow double kill, into "mai babiez nooo", into "is this what you want me to be?!?" so lame.
Loved most of the rest, new kids killed it, Quicksilver so good (flash movie plz), Moira emotional reunion hit home for me.
Yeah, that last Psylocke shot was terrible, haha.
BvS is on a league of its own.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I was not prepared for Jackman holy shit. Proper beast mode.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Oh, there's a spoiler thread. I forgot.
Garbage I want to rant about:
Psylocke - 5 lines tops in the entire film. And they're pretty much all throwaway lines like "what do you want" and "split them up". Fucking roflmao.
Jubilee - Doesn't even introduce herself. Has maybe 3 lines, zero fights, not even part of the story in any way. Why mislead people with using her in tons of marketing? Lame as fuck.
The Weapon X subplot - Totally pointless excessive fanservice. Feels like Kinberg wrote all of it and forced it into an existing script just to hype up more Wolverine. Not only did it kill the pacing, it wasn't even satisfying because they self-censored the hell out of it for a clean PG-13 film. Almost no blood, everything looked so cheap and unnatural. Lame waste. Should have saved it as the pre-title opening scene for Wolverine 3 instead and have it actually be R rated violence if you want to do Weapon X like that.
The Apocalypse size-shifting - Fucking crap misdirection. Just went I thought they were going to do something really fun with his powers, that turns out to be just "in Xavier's head" while the actual fight was him in a stupid energy bubble with everyone spamming crap around it. I laughed out loud when Beast ran off the roof to do a failed jump attack on him. What the fuck? Even if the attack connected, what did he think he was going to achieve with it. Worst setpiece in the film.
Garbage I want to rant about:
Psylocke - 5 lines tops in the entire film. And they're pretty much all throwaway lines like "what do you want" and "split them up". Fucking roflmao.
Jubilee - Doesn't even introduce herself. Has maybe 3 lines, zero fights, not even part of the story in any way. Why mislead people with using her in tons of marketing? Lame as fuck.
The Weapon X subplot - Totally pointless excessive fanservice. Feels like Kinberg wrote all of it and forced it into an existing script just to hype up more Wolverine. Not only did it kill the pacing, it wasn't even satisfying because they self-censored the hell out of it for a clean PG-13 film. Almost no blood, everything looked so cheap and unnatural. Lame waste. Should have saved it as the pre-title opening scene for Wolverine 3 instead and have it actually be R rated violence if you want to do Weapon X like that.
The Apocalypse size-shifting - Fucking crap misdirection. Just went I thought they were going to do something really fun with his powers, that turns out to be just "in Xavier's head" while the actual fight was him in a stupid energy bubble with everyone spamming crap around it. I laughed out loud when Beast ran off the roof to do a failed jump attack on him. What the fuck? Even if the attack connected, what did he think he was going to achieve with it. Worst setpiece in the film.
Hmm this is the first time I've seen someone dislike the Weapon X bit.
Aside from the kids it's been one of the most popular positives.
Interesting I need to see this.
Razgriz-Specter
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Does Psylocke die?
All I want to know.
All I want to know.
Nope. Definitely looked like they wanted to set her up for future appearances.
X-Force is set I guess
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
catashtrophe
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Even though Apocalypse was a waste in this movie I can't believe they killed him off, thats some bullshit considering he is immortal.
I hope they somehow bring him back in a future spin off movie or something
I hope they somehow bring him back in a future spin off movie or something
George Oscar Bluth II
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I don't like Storm's boob window but I agree. The best Psylocke has ever looked.
Razgriz-Specter
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They never did explain where his powers originally came from and where he got all the technology he uses, which is clearly not of this world. So I think there's still possibilities there. I didn't feel it was a waste, considering he got offed by what -is- the most powerful force in the X-men mythos. What was a waste was how lame the final battle was!
Finaika
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Beast was just trying to be helpful.
catashtrophe
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I agree but still this is Apocalypse he ain't supposed to die, i would have preferred if they somehow sealed him up / put him to sleep or blasted him off in space.
Anything but an on screen death.
:-(
Yes. The soundtrack is fucking phenomenal. It takes BvS's (not bad but getting predictable) and Civil War's (totally forgettable) and wipes the fucking floor with them. Fantastic use in the film itself too.
Seems like they shouldn't have forced the Weapon X part in the film, and instead, given characters like Jubilee, Psylocke, Storm, and Angel more time instead of once again putting Wolverine front and center even when it makes 0 sense.
How awesome would it be if they gave that scene to Deadpool's origin? How much more sense would have have made, not just for the backstory but to allow him to go all out R-rated violent? It sounds like they had to tone it down and the scene doesn't fit well with the rest of the film.
What a missed opportunity. It's not like Wolverine 3 will have a lot that needs to tie it in with the First Class/DoFP/Apocalypse continuity, I can be pretty sure about that at this point in the franchise. Since when did FOX give a fuck about continuity anyways?
Isn't Wolverine 3 going to be Jackman's last film? It's possible that they do another soft reboot anyways after Apocalypse with JLaw leaving and Fassbender possibly being done as well IIRC. Why didn't they just have Wolverine pass the torch to Deadpool (which could have used the boost more than an X-Men film anyways) and if it was a success, use it as a new jumping off point for films like X-Force and Cable and whatever else? Those movies, if they ever get made, may as well exist in their own universe like Deadpool anyways with how FOX handles this franchise.
How awesome would it be if they gave that scene to Deadpool's origin? How much more sense would have have made, not just for the backstory but to allow him to go all out R-rated violent? It sounds like they had to tone it down and the scene doesn't fit well with the rest of the film.
What a missed opportunity. It's not like Wolverine 3 will have a lot that needs to tie it in with the First Class/DoFP/Apocalypse continuity, I can be pretty sure about that at this point in the franchise. Since when did FOX give a fuck about continuity anyways?
Isn't Wolverine 3 going to be Jackman's last film? It's possible that they do another soft reboot anyways after Apocalypse with JLaw leaving and Fassbender possibly being done as well IIRC. Why didn't they just have Wolverine pass the torch to Deadpool (which could have used the boost more than an X-Men film anyways) and if it was a success, use it as a new jumping off point for films like X-Force and Cable and whatever else? Those movies, if they ever get made, may as well exist in their own universe like Deadpool anyways with how FOX handles this franchise.
I'm really digging what I assume is Jean's motif throughout the music. It just flows so well and really helps me picture a character in my head.
I've already been spoiled plenty but I hope when I do see this film, the scenes at least compliment the music enough here.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They don't really put Wolverine front and center. In fact, Weapon X is the first real scene of Nightcrawler, Jean, and Cyclops putting in work as a team. Wolverine is the sizzle, but the sequence primarily exists to show how competent the new kids are, by putting the established X-Men in peril and having them figure out how to spring 'em.
Wolverine is more or less a howling, growling plot point as a means to that end. He's not really a character, nor is he really the point of the sequence.
My issue with the entire subplot is that it is a distraction from the narrative and they jump in and out of it literally with zero connection with anything else in the film. They could have achieved the same outcome with better cohesion if Moria led them to infiltrate one of the Apocalypse cult temples somewhere instead to find out where he could have gone.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Bobby Roberts
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I don't know that I'd call it a distraction. It's not glued into the story very securely, definitely (it's a pretty sloppy movie) but it still plays as the "test of the youngbucks" that it ultimately is. At that point in the story, you need these kids who haven't been tested yet (and have been, in fact, goofing off at the mall) to be put through their trial by fire while their leaders are MIA/indisposed. Having Stryker come in and put the whammy on the X-Men enables that. The point of the sequence is entirely "Can these kids contribute to the story on their own. Do they have agency and can they put it to use."
That Wolverine ends up being one of the tools employed by the trio doesn't really make it Wolverine's scene, and I don't know that an alternate scene where a grownup is leading them through their spy mission would work as well.
It does what it needs to do, but getting in and out of that sequence isn't done very well. Which is a frequent problem of the film.
I think it is a distraction though. I mean, no matter how we slice it, we know that the only reason it is Stryker and the Weapon X base instead of something else, is because they want to tease Wolverine and have that Weapon X scene. This is a film which is about Apocalypse. It starts with Apocalypse. It continues with Apocalypse. Every antagonistic beat in the film is about Apocalypse awakening, getting stronger, gathering forces, and being a threat to everything. Suddenly though, Stryker shows up, captures a bunch of mutants, having nothing to do with Apocalypse before or after this sequence. Wolverine being what they want to cap the sequence off with means that if it wasn't for Wolverine being featured in some small way in the film, this could have been an entirely different sequence. As such, I would say that's grounds for critique that it feels disjointed because the distraction is intended to force the nature of this sequence into a film where it doesn't fit.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it's more like "how do we have the kids progress as characters after their introduction" and then "How do we fit Wolverine into that."
If you look at it primarily as a Wolverine delivery system, I can see why it would seem even more disconnected than it already appears, but I looked at it more like the second act progression of characters who will become third act heroes. It's a plot detour but maintains/strengthens character throughline, basically.
Agreeing with you that it's disjointed (the whole movie is) just slightly disagreeing as to how/why/what degree. The movie is more or less a collection of cool "X-Men" moments that aren't pieced together very well at all.
Yeah I don't think it ultimately matters that much. It's also a viewer perspective thing.
What actually probably bothered me more about the Weapon X stuff was how hilariously sanitized the violence was. Dude shooting an automatic at Logan at point blank range, and we don't even see his body being ripped up before he regenerates? He runs around slashing and stabbing tons of soldiers and we only see ONE instance of a blood splatter and most of the bodies on the ground have clean wounds? Super weird! Roflmao.
And then they show everyone in the pit looking horrified.
Like fucking really?
My opinion? The dumbest of the films this summer. Everything about Apocalypse was all the worst aspects of the comic-book version jammed into one film with a 'no time to explain shit' vibe. Waste of a great actor in Oscar Isaac, and the one good moment (Apocalypse seeing what a real God looks like) was so underplayed it was utterly insignificant.
And they STILL fucked Cyclops up. Jesus, there's no hint whatsoever of tactical genius at all. Or real competence. He just fires his optic blast at every single problem like an idiot.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Not only is he just a kid, he LITERALLY had just became a mutant.
Yes, but after all the 'be X-Men' speeches he... fires his optic blast the same as he's done the rest of the film. There's no variation to his character, he does the same thing throughout the big action scene expecting different results.
Wolverine being an idiot and trying to stab everyone works because he heals, so who gives a fuck. But you'd expect Scott to go 'shit, this isn't working... maybe I should try something new' instead of 'OH FUCK I BETTER KEEP DOING THIS BECAUSE IT'LL WORK EVENTUALLY.'
ETA - I mean Nightcrawler traps Angel in the cage thingy... Jean turns full Phoenix to crush Apocalypse... and Cyclops just keeps shooting. A lot.
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