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But F/SN's Berserker is a completely different character than F/Z's Berserker.
One's a demigod and the other's a knight. In my mind, Heracles is this giant, muscular hero while the other is a formidable knight but nothing special.
Maybe it's media forming my perception of what they would be like in real life.
Maybe it's media forming my perception of what they would be like in real life.
and my one true ahoge is still Narusegawa from Love Hina. <3
and I don't see why Deen is up for debate. They've aren't known for their animation considering their track record ranging from Higurashi to Seitakai no Ichizon. I dunno if it's because of budget or time constraints but if you can't do a high school comedy without derpy animation...
Jex
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I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say somewhere, in some place, this does exist. I just don't know about it yet.
Chris is the worst magical boyfriend of all time.
Doesn't matter how much time or budget you have if you have no talent.
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I had to say something about this discussion, of course...
(As for Kaichou wa Maid-sama, I remember reading about the concept and then deciding not to watch it because of stuff like this, mostly.)
Of course, that doesn't really answer the question of how much of that (women wanting to be protected thing) IS natural and isn't just because of millennia of ingrained sexism. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that question, honestly; it'd be so, so hard to separate the cultural from the natural that it's borderline impossible.
I despise this kind of thing in anime/manga. It's some of the most disgusting and pointless sexism... at least with physical strength you can come up with an excuse, but there's NOTHING for grades.
I don't like the sexism in it, but the results -- more varied and consistent food -- are good (and if I'm remembering right, often the women would provide more of the food than the men, in hunter-gatherer societies, but the men would often get more credit anyway because bringing down big game was more prestigious than collecting plants... darn you sexism!). But even though I can say some of the theories, I just can't quite understand why they'd do such a strict division... doesn't make sense to me.
On that note, in a modern civilization the concerns that brought hunter-gatherers to this division don't apply anymore, but as far as evolution is concerned, we're only just barely past this experiment in agriculture; humanity was hunter-gatherers for a very, very long time, but agriculture, and the civilization it leads to, has only been the system for a much shorter period. So we haven't entirely adapted genetically to the changes in the environment.
Hah, I guess it would... can we do that already, though? Tanks I mean, not eggs.
Yeah, that nasty anti-female-sexuality stereotype's still around for sure, sadly... it does kind of make sense -- it's basically about childbirth again, because women are the ones who get pregnant -- but it's a very negative, unneeded, and false stereotype -- as you suggest, those two situations should indeed be considered to be the same, not different.
It is frustrating how it repeats so many of the same negative stereotypes shonen does, as far as gender relations go, yeah.I mostly hate this show because of Usui and what it represents. Why even bother making the heroine credible as a human being when all you're going to do is have her get supplanted all the time by a man?
God damn shoujo.
(As for Kaichou wa Maid-sama, I remember reading about the concept and then deciding not to watch it because of stuff like this, mostly.)
Hah... no, I don't think you will.
That is a good question, really. I think it's more the former than the latter, but men are stronger on average, so seeing at least some of the second element might make at least some sense. What doesn't make sense is seeing it to the degree you do, but a lot of that is explained by the former, cultural element -- Japan is of course a highly sexist society. The West is less so, but certainly we still have our sexism...
Of course, that doesn't really answer the question of how much of that (women wanting to be protected thing) IS natural and isn't just because of millennia of ingrained sexism. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that question, honestly; it'd be so, so hard to separate the cultural from the natural that it's borderline impossible.
I despise this kind of thing in anime/manga. It's some of the most disgusting and pointless sexism... at least with physical strength you can come up with an excuse, but there's NOTHING for grades.
Cultural conditioning is a central part of it, for sure. For instance, would you say that this "girls want men to save them" stuff is as bad in modern Western stuff as it is in Japanese? I don't think I would. The main defense for it of course would be that "but men are stronger", but as you say, that can't explain all of it; the differential is not as large as the stereotype and conditioning.
Yeah, I think that's right. In hunter-gatherer societies, gender roles are strictly segregated; women raise the children and collect/grow plants, while men go out long distances and hunt. Women who could potentially hunt aren't allowed to, either because they're too valuable to the tribe to risk (women can only give birth once every 9 months at most, after all), or because all that training to get good at hunting would be wasted once pregnancy starts or something... I don't know, but there's always a strict segregation. I do find it a bit odd, but that's how it is, and the babies and childbirth thing probably is the central element, you're right... the strength differential would be second (tools, after all, help avert at least some of that).
I don't like the sexism in it, but the results -- more varied and consistent food -- are good (and if I'm remembering right, often the women would provide more of the food than the men, in hunter-gatherer societies, but the men would often get more credit anyway because bringing down big game was more prestigious than collecting plants... darn you sexism!). But even though I can say some of the theories, I just can't quite understand why they'd do such a strict division... doesn't make sense to me.
On that note, in a modern civilization the concerns that brought hunter-gatherers to this division don't apply anymore, but as far as evolution is concerned, we're only just barely past this experiment in agriculture; humanity was hunter-gatherers for a very, very long time, but agriculture, and the civilization it leads to, has only been the system for a much shorter period. So we haven't entirely adapted genetically to the changes in the environment.
I think I address most of this above, but yeah, it doesn't entirely make sense to me either. I know some of the explanations, but it doesn't entirely make sense.
Yes, as has been said, it's a central part of it really. It'd be very difficult to go out hunting while heavily pregnant or nursing. That doesn't make it impossible, though, as I suggest
Indeed true.
On the note of nomads, nomads with horses seemed to be less sexist than other cultures... groups like the scythians (or was it sarmatians?) and mongols were much less sexist, in terms of which things women could do, than sedentary peoples, or foot-based hunter-gatherers either. Some of the only known graves of female warriors in Europe (unquestionably warriors) come from the horse nomad tribes of the northern Black Sea areas for instance. (Some of the rumors of amazons put them in that area too, but whether there's a connection or not is entirely speculative.)
Matriarchal, as in women have roles in society, yeah, there were such cultures... but truly gender-equal across the board? I don't know of any. The degree of sexism in civilizations across time definitely varies widely, but there always seems to be at least some.
Yup!
Hah, I guess it would... can we do that already, though? Tanks I mean, not eggs.
In some ways I guess that could be true, but it is also a bad message.
Yeah, that nasty anti-female-sexuality stereotype's still around for sure, sadly... it does kind of make sense -- it's basically about childbirth again, because women are the ones who get pregnant -- but it's a very negative, unneeded, and false stereotype -- as you suggest, those two situations should indeed be considered to be the same, not different.
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I'm going to defend him here, and say that what he is describing is not what you are thinking. Studio DEEN in particular is known for poor art consistently between scenes, such that even in a single episode, the way a character looks, and the proportions of a character's full body design can change from scene to scene, or even between cuts in the same scene, because of a crappy job on the part of the animation director.
That is different from creative morphing of a character's form in fast moving action sequences to create a dynamic flow which does not look realistic. Such a debate would never come up in a Studio DEEN discussion, because to begin with the studio would be incapable of animating (or even storyboarding) a creative fast moving action sequence.
This is the first time ducky's ever had my back on something. <3
Yeah, I was talking about inconsistency in face and body shape and it's pretty pronounced in this show. Shirou's face changes shape constantly and it's really distracting. I'm actually not sure what Aigis was getting agitated about.
Fate/Stay Night 3:
And here's Kirei, 10 years hence. His hair has gotten more awesome since we last saw him. I'm okay with this.
It seems that F/Z has been slightly retconned from F/SN, since Saber tells us in F/Z that she can't assume her spirit form period, whereas in F/SN she and Rin state that she can't assume her spirit form because of Shirou's inadequacy as a mage. The F/Z explanation makes more sense since
unlike the other Heroic Spirits, Arturia Pendragon isn't actually dead and so can't dematerialize like the others can.
Jex
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Bad CG looks bad, which can be simplified to "bad looking things are bad".
You know... you might be on to something.
Jex
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This is how the CG future begins.
Space Yamato Battleship 2199 - Episode 1 - The first 10 minutes
I watched this yesterday night on Bandai Channel via a JP VPN. It was pretty interesting. As expected from the trailers, the CG work is rather weak, which is unfortunate because I think the show has a lot of promise aside from that. The main problems with the CG action, which is used for all the ship battles, is the way that the ships move. It looks extremely unnatural as they turn and move too quickly with no sense of momentum at all. It ends up looking like a toy being moved around by a kid.
While the modeling is simplistic, I appreciate how they do a lot more detailing for close-up shots, so some of the designs really do stand out and look good in those scenes. The characters have good animation character design, which is a big improvement from Ozma, the other Matsumoto show this season. The space background looks really bad, especially when used as a canvas for the CG work, but surprisingly a lot of the actual art backgrounds used in the indoors and Earth scenes are really detailed and look great.
In terms of direction, pacing, and general script, I would say Izubuchi definitely pulled it off judging from the first 10 minutes. It feels like Yamato with a fresh coat of paint, and more modern production methods, for better and for worse. Scenes don't drag on, the ship explosions seem mostly animated by hand even as the exploding objects are CG, and I really like the colors used on the characters and the sets in general giving it a very modern-retro look.
I'll recommend fans to check out the series when it actually starts. The DVD/BDs from Japan have English subs too, but it's pretty pricey, especially at 2 episodes per volume for a 26 episode show.
I watched this yesterday night on Bandai Channel via a JP VPN. It was pretty interesting. As expected from the trailers, the CG work is rather weak, which is unfortunate because I think the show has a lot of promise aside from that. The main problems with the CG action, which is used for all the ship battles, is the way that the ships move. It looks extremely unnatural as they turn and move too quickly with no sense of momentum at all. It ends up looking like a toy being moved around by a kid.
While the modeling is simplistic, I appreciate how they do a lot more detailing for close-up shots, so some of the designs really do stand out and look good in those scenes. The characters have good animation character design, which is a big improvement from Ozma, the other Matsumoto show this season. The space background looks really bad, especially when used as a canvas for the CG work, but surprisingly a lot of the actual art backgrounds used in the indoors and Earth scenes are really detailed and look great.
In terms of direction, pacing, and general script, I would say Izubuchi definitely pulled it off judging from the first 10 minutes. It feels like Yamato with a fresh coat of paint, and more modern production methods, for better and for worse. Scenes don't drag on, the ship explosions seem mostly animated by hand even as the exploding objects are CG, and I really like the colors used on the characters and the sets in general giving it a very modern-retro look.
I'll recommend fans to check out the series when it actually starts. The DVD/BDs from Japan have English subs too, but it's pretty pricey, especially at 2 episodes per volume for a 26 episode show.
Jex
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Why not?
You're just being unreasonable. Sometimes it's hard to remember what size a character is supposed to be! Making an anime is hard.
Dunno, I've only watched Spirited Away, Totoro and Monokehime.
I like Miyazaki's stuff but it's not something that really speaks to me or whatever.
Well those movies are pretty weak. You should watch his good stuff -- things like Cagliostro, Porco Rosso, and Castle in the Sky.
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I definetenly wouldn't go that far, but the set of movies you listed are certainly superior to the one's listed by Haly.
I just assumed that a requirement for being into anime was watching every single Studio Ghilbi, or at least every Miyzaki, movie ever created. Of course, this was years ago when I just started getting into anime.
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You needn't worry about that, methinks.
I'm still trying to figure out where the hell Kariya went after he got wormified, he appears for 0.6 seconds when Berserker interrupts Saber and Lancer's duel, and then he has like 2 minutes at the end of Loli-Rin's Moe Moe episode. Kariya is actually one of the more interesting Masters (and Kirei and Gilgamesh agree here) and hopefully we see more of him in the second half.
Funny you should mention Rin's episode. I just started it. Oh god, so kyuuto!!
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I like how Tadakuni's been completely replaced byRingo Mitsuo. So much so that there's a Indoctrination Dream theory floating around.
e: One last episode . . . I'll miss this show.
I like how Tadakuni's been completely replaced by
e: One last episode . . . I'll miss this show.
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Pizzaroll defending studio DEED would definitely be one of the signs of the apocalypse.
I can't agree with that.
I've never seen Howl's Moving Castle either, because it was unfortunately canned before Hosoda and Yoshida could bring their vision to completion. I heard there's some copycat version out there, but why would anyone want to talk about that?
But the original author liked it and she is Welsh so she knows what she is talking about.
Oh dear. It has spread to here. It was funny at first but now the jokes is going too far even for me.
The original creators of TMNT are also positive about Michael Bay's plan to make them aliens in the next movie reboot. I'm sure they know what they're taking about, because Michael Bay rocks!
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Ozma is not that bad.
Opinions like this are the reason you are not my favourite mod.The original creators of TMNT are also positive about Michael Bay's plan to make them aliens in the next movie reboot. I'm sure they know what they're taking about, because Michael Bay rocks!
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Ozma is not that bad.
But Ozma is a non-standard piece of programming. It does not fall within a specific season, and it is only 6 episodes.
That's a weird statement, since there is no opinion there, only fact!
Caster's master is REALLY sick and disturbing.
Hm, I wonder if they'll cover the first volume in only one cour. Looks pretty good apart from one or two scenes looking really ugly. I've got faith in A-1 pictures for this one.
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What.The original creators of TMNT are also positive about Michael Bay's plan to make them aliens in the next movie reboot. I'm sure they know what they're taking about, because Michael Bay rocks!
I read that they title they're probably going to go with is simply "Ninja Turtles".
Some very nice background art in there!
This is going to be the vastly superior show to Accel World.
and not just because it has delicious Working!! character designs.
What show is this? Google's reverse search isn't helping. All i'm getting is that it's a [K] PV or something?
Michael Bay can ruin anything. He is truly talented.
Well ten episodes of Fate Zero is enough for now.
If I wake up early enough in the afternoon I might finish it up before the next season starts. If not, no big deal I'll watch it tomorrow morning.
Its a really great series though. A lot of care was put into the creation of this.
Also, FZ Rider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSN Rider.
Well ten episodes of Fate Zero is enough for now.
If I wake up early enough in the afternoon I might finish it up before the next season starts. If not, no big deal I'll watch it tomorrow morning.
Its a really great series though. A lot of care was put into the creation of this.
Also, FZ Rider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSN Rider.
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I hate everything. Forever.
Time for a heads up. Starting tomorrow, there's going to be a crazy first week of spring anime. Here's the lineup for the next 7 days:
April 1 - Saint Seiya Omega, Space Bros, Hiiro no Kakera
April 2 - Gon, Kimi to Boku 2, Zetman
April 3 - Queens Blade Rebellion, Rock Lee
April 4 - Kore wa Zombie desu ka? OF THE DEAD, Lupin the Third ~Fujiko 0wnz J00~, Medaka Box
April 5 - Recorder to Randoseru Season 2, Sengoku Collection, Sankarea, Natsuiro Kiseki
April 6 - Accel World
April 7 - Upotte, Fate/Zero 2nd Season, Mysterious Girlfriend X, Kuroko's Basketball
April 1 - Saint Seiya Omega, Space Bros, Hiiro no Kakera
April 2 - Gon, Kimi to Boku 2, Zetman
April 3 - Queens Blade Rebellion, Rock Lee
April 4 - Kore wa Zombie desu ka? OF THE DEAD, Lupin the Third ~Fujiko 0wnz J00~, Medaka Box
April 5 - Recorder to Randoseru Season 2, Sengoku Collection, Sankarea, Natsuiro Kiseki
April 6 - Accel World
April 7 - Upotte, Fate/Zero 2nd Season, Mysterious Girlfriend X, Kuroko's Basketball
I must ready myself for war.
Oh yeah, let's not forget, we also get the opening animation for this on April 6: http://www.bsfuji.tv/japacon/
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Just when I finally see my MAL clearing up you come up with this. I hate you.
It's okay. I'm not your favorite mod.
Tell me about it...
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You are two tiers below Nirolak and one above Kagari. Can you go deeper?
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