Yeah. They're collecting stack traces and logs on the servers. It is also the reason why they ramped up the user counts from yesterday. After the 0.a patch things were stable, once all the new users started flooding in it started crashing all over the place. This is the kind of thing that they'll do to test and fix stability issues.
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Star Citizen Pre-Alpha: 'Arena Commander' Dogfighting
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Yeah. They're collecting stack traces and logs on the servers. It is also the reason why they ramped up the user counts from yesterday. After the 0.a patch things were stable, once all the new users started flooding in it started crashing all over the place. This is the kind of thing that they'll do to test and fix stability issues.
mercenar1e
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going to post some new screenshots here
I collapsed Thursday and had to spend the night at ER, totally missing the stream. Guess my body wasn't ready.
Does anyone have a good recap of what happened or a hub where I can read stuff? Gonna spend my time recovering getting back up to speed with the game
Damn, now I feel bad about attempting a couple of Daedardus jokes in the chat on Thrusday. You were missed dude, I hope everything is alright.
Zalusithix
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After having watched a couple of videos of it since I don't have access, I noticed it was basically a wholesale rip of the Retaliator controls with different support beam structure breaking up the cockpit glass. This isn't Elite, so that struck me as quite odd. Did a quick search and found this comment on the official forums:
PDalessi_CIG said:
I'd expect a better view with the final ship assets. That said, I wouldn't expect a view on par with the smaller fighters, nor does it need it. The Vanguard isn't going to be a highly nimble ship that'll be dancing with the dog fighters after all. It's going to be a right pain in the ass for the mid to large multi crews though.
As for the animation/pathing glitches, just be glad you're not clipping through the ship at this stage.
staticneuron
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I collapsed Thursday and had to spend the night at ER, totally missing the stream. Guess my body wasn't ready
Does anyone have a good recap of what happened or a hub where I can read stuff? Gonna spend my time recovering getting back up to speed with the game
Wow, dude. I hope you are feeling better!
EDIT:
DiscoLando-CIG said:
Zalusithix
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Both the 300 and Freelancer series are undergoing remodeling, so don't get too attached to the looks. General shapes will obviously be preserved, but detail points are subject to change, and in the case of the Freelancer, the entire size is changing too.
Nothing life-threathening
. I had flu, was stressed, very tired and hadn't eaten well. I wasn't feeling well in the evening after a tiring day at school and fainted, after which I apparantly started hyperventilating. My long-term memory failed to activate so I can't remember much from it, so I don't really know what happened the whole evening. I only remember leaving school and waking up at my dorm surrounded by doctors, after which they took me to ER for a checkup. Everything was alright after that though and I was able to leave the hospital sooner than I expected.Thanks! Maybe it's time that I pledge for another ship. Will watch the stream today
.I'm ok! Haven't been very active lately with school and whatnot. There's also so much information regarding Star Citizen that it is hard to distill the most important information. I can't see the space for the stars.
Thanks, I had read about this. I'm looking forward to it. These two ships match with my interests, which are mainly exploration and trade. I would eventually love to upgrade the 315p to a Carrack or Endeavour, but we'll see.
Also want a fighter eventually just because, but not sure which one to get.
I was wondering when that would come up here.
What exactly does that mean (I'm not on there)? Is DS active there? Are there DS supporters bashing Star Citizen? Or do people just voice the usual complaints about feature creep, missed deadlines and the likes?
All of the above and then some. The thread is off the rails.
staticneuron
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Wow, the Archimedes allows you to really LTI everything doesn't it?
Apparently. Is there a limit on how many you can buy--or how many times you can buy it? If not, conceivably you can buy it before buying any standalone ship and then upgrading from the Archimedes to the standalone ship you are buying, making it LTI.
mercenar1e
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i already have the LTI Avenger but i am having a hard time trying to pick something that looks better and has the same capabilities.. any suggestions?
Dictator93
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IMO, I think the avenger is quite beautiful as is. Espeically now post-update. It has travel capabilities, a bed, pretty cool gun load out, dat white/black, and storage capacity in that very pretty back lit section
mercenar1e
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IMO, I think the avenger is quite beautiful as is. Espeically now post-update. It has travel capabilities, a bed, pretty cool gun load out, dat white/black, and storage capacity in that very pretty back lit section
the white/black color is probably the thing that makes it look so ugly.. i want gun metal or something similar.
A lot of the people there got way too attached to the idea of the game in the beginning. But then couldn't handle the realities of game development, so act very much like a jilted lover.
Zalusithix
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The Carrack and Endeavor are much larger ships than the 315p and are going to require a decent sized crew (AI or otherwise) to be effective. It's also worth noting that the Endeavor isn't really an exploration ship in the traditional sense of going into the unknown. It's more of research ship. It might find a place of interest to go to, or tell you more about where you are, but you're not going to be bringing that monster through uncharted jump points. Don't forget about the Aquila and the DUR for exploration options either. The Aquila in particular is a nice, versatile multi-crew option before you start getting into the very large, more task focused ship range like the Carrack. It'll still need a crew, but with only a single manned turret and one floor, it should be one of the easiest to manage for it's size.
On the fighter end of things, it really depends on the price range you're targeting and the role you're looking to fill. The fighters are the most diverse range of ships. The only common trait is that they're all lackluster for everything that isn't combat.
And speaking of military ships, it looks like the Armada pack is back for the day. This is going to make some more "interesting" reading in the concierge forum. I'm sure he'll be crying about the tens of thousands more Idris that'll be sold today.
GearDraxon
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...should I melt/CCU my Retaliator for a Star-G? The *idea* of the Star-G has always been compelling, but I'm a bit torn. The thought of the giant space whale bristling with guns is a riot, though.
Ahhh, coolio. Sorry if i sounded like a mental.
Hahahaha.
Dictator93
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Before he auto-dies... it is legitimately worst-nightmare level of existential fear.
Free floating millions of miles away from anything.
Just think how much worse it will be, if you're wearing a VR headset.
Rephin
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I like both ships. The concept of the Starfarer-G is a flying tank that can earn you credits from fuel sales, and the Retaliator is the premier anti-Capital Ship starship that expands its repertoire when modules are added to it. I think it depends on what kind of Retaliator you have and if you have any modules. A base Starfarer can do a bit of everything whereas a base Retaliator can't do anything or a bomber Retaliator is pretty much a torpedo dispenser.
IMO, I think the avenger is quite beautiful as is. Espeically now post-update. It has travel capabilities, a bed, pretty cool gun load out, dat white/black, and storage capacity in that very pretty back lit section
Wow, hot. I think I need to sidegrade my 300i to an Avenger.
Dubbedinenglish
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IMO, I think the avenger is quite beautiful as is. Espeically now post-update. It has travel capabilities, a bed, pretty cool gun load out, dat white/black, and storage capacity in that very pretty back lit section
Sooooo with a fully loaded Avenger, how will you get in the ship?
Dictator93
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In the PTU videos the avenger sometimes bugs out and shows a square bay-like object at the back. They might be going for a similar cargo bay to the Constellation. It would make loading cargo a lot less tricky, than the current narrow folding door.
Alternatively they could allow entry at the front like the racer variants of the Mustang.
Zalusithix
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The Retaliator as a bomber never interested me much, which is why I never bought one until it went modular despite loving its design. The Retaliator as a drop ship though? Hard to beat that one. Twelve marines and an armory on a drop lift in the front. Cargo hold with Titan armor suits, or perhaps some future combat rover on the lift in the back. Combined with the turrets covering pretty much any angle to give support during insertion/extraction, and it seems like it's practically made for the job. Sure it doesn't have super shielding or anything so it will need escorts to keep fighters off it, but it's more than enough to deal with whatever pea shooters ground troops would have.
As for the Starfarer, I disagree with it being able to do a bit of everything. It'll carry cargo, process fuel, and that's about it. The thing is going to be a massive pig, so while it has decent weaponry, it's more to to act as a deterrent and help when shit hits the fan. I highly doubt you'll want to bring it into a fight just for combat's sake. Nor is the ship going to be a good explorer. Perhaps an an accompaniment to a Carrack for range extension, but not by itself. It's lacking the necessary tools for the job. Needless to say you're not going to be racing, mining, salvaging, repairing, boarding, etc with it either. Modules might be able to skew it a bit more in a given direction, but as it stands now, it's rather limited in scope.
Generally speaking, the bigger the ship, the more specialized they become. They do one thing damn good and perhaps can pinch hit at one other field, but they're not really multi role ships. The only exceptions are the ones like the Endeavor where the ship is meant to be a blank box that you define.
Dictator93
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GearDraxon
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Right - I had my Tali set up as "party up front, torpedoes in the rear," so it'll be fun to see what sort of modules they cook up for the Starfarer. Maybe I'll be able to replace 1/4 the cargo space with SIXTEEN INCH SUBS and bump through the verse.
Dubbedinenglish
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Sir, we cannot be friends. Ever.
Does it work on the others too? Finally, was hoping that staircase would work and it wasn't an artifact from the two seater OG.
Now this is an ugly ass starship.
staticneuron
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I love the design of the Tali but none of the modules interested me so I chose living quarters to have like a bad ass mobile command center. But to be honest if the Phoenix goes back on sale.... then that pimped out Connie will replace the Tali. TBH, the Phoenix gets the nod because it is powerful, has luxury insides, has a snub fighter and a rover. Also all turrets do not need to be manned to make it scary.
Starfarer is like the best looking ship in SC.
GearDraxon
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I'm sorry, I can't hear you over these sick beats!
Yeah, it's not pretty, but function-over-form is pretty much MISC's thing, right?
Also, we are in agreement - Space Penguin Avenger is *awesome*.
Rephin
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Oh, no, I totally agree that every ship can't do everything, and the Star-G isn't going to do exactly everything. Like I said, it's a flying tank (or more accurately, a fuel truck with big guns strapped to it). I don't expect a tank to be good at racing, or exploration (with the lack of a scanning package, it is in fact super bad at that role), just that it's at the very least competent at combat and at least somewhat decent at earning credits when not in a fight, which is a little bit of everything if that's what you're looking to do. If you're not an explorer type and aren't interested in racing, but want to earn credits while being an asset in combat and/or want to ensure your cargo gets to its destination in one piece in more hostile territory, the Star-G might be a great fit. Looking at a bigger picture, it's most likely a rear line and support ship for an expedition or combat fleet.
I initially got the base Tali and all the modules except the torpedoes during that module concept sale, but I traded the base Tali off when I got the Armada. I actually love the Retaliator more than the Star-G when adding in the modules. Were there modules being planned for the Starfarer line? I know that the Gemini has a replacement missile rack for the front if you want the thing to fire missiles instead of help with fueling operations, so are there plans to replace the fuel tanks with cargo space instead?
Also, Captain should be able to play whatever music they want during the trip, to the crew's benefit or horror. lol
Is everybody okay with how on the ground zero-G movement is being handled right now? Far as I can tell there's no difference in (animation) speed and feel when the character goes from a 1G to a 0G (or near enough) environment. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not playing the alpha. I get it - it's the future, maaan; high-tech magnetic boots and so I on. But still. It just feels unnatural, silly and immersion breaking to me. I'm not saying characters should be moving Neil-Armstrong-on-the-moon-style, although, on the other hand ... Encumbered movement + long distance jumping could bring a whole new dimension to 0G(-ish) FPS combat.
Your thoughts?
Your thoughts?
Dictator93
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There is (at least in all the pre alpha 2.0 stuff), the mag boots that you use in zero g environs. When you hit the button neear/on a surface it sucks the PC down and you move very slowly. The thing is, I am not sure how that works any longer in alpha 2.0.
I think the current mechanics are still somewhat placeholder. You can run normally as if on earth wherever they have "arbitrarily" decided. They need to nail down the transitions as well as the push-pull, before I can come to any decision.
Zalusithix
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I don't see the Retaliator as a great mobile command center. There's three ships I see doing a good job in that role. One is the Constellation, the next is the Carrack, and the last is the Idris. Each step should be better at the role than the preceding one. All have sensor array options, and all have a good balance of cargo, power, shielding, and coverage from turrets. They also have good visibility for more than one person and can carry a scout ship. The Carrack beats out the Constellation because it has a med bay and drones. The Idris... well it's obvious why it's the top pick. Of course each step up is also larger, more expensive, and more demanding crew wise. You're not going to pull an Idris out for a small skirmish.
So yeah, for myself, the Phoenix was going to be my main base of operations originally, but then the Carrack got released and took over that role. I have an Idris too, but the Carrack is still my tentative centerpiece. I just don't see the Idris being something that I can realistically use for day to day operations. As such, the Phoenix will be my personal yacht, the Carrack my main ship, and the Idris will be reserved for org operations that demand a true forward base.
From the 2.0 videos I've seen to far it all looks the same.
Yeah, it's obviously WIP.
It was more of a 'how would you do it' question, really. I feel that steps should be taken to make zero-G / EVA movement somewhat difficult to master and thus 'dangerous', as it should be, even in the distant future. When you decide to exit your ship in space, you should feel exposed and easy prey for whatever is out there.
staticneuron
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Sweet, we are like..... Carrack Bros.
I never purchased an idris, I was tempted but passed. Yeah those ships you mentioned seem epic. I am all over the Phoenix because (unless specs change) the power plant is larger and it has more weapons (Gimbal and pylon mounts) then Carrack and also the automatic point defense gun. So unless they revise the firepower for the Carrack then the Phoenix remains scarier. Not that it matter to me because I really purchased the Carrack to be a dedicated explorer.
It just seems it can hold its own really well.
Yea, a similar scary feeling like trying to swim in the middle of the ocean. Maybe in the future we might find space sharks and space whales, which makes EVA even more scary.
Or, you know, the worst of the worst. Repair bears gone full psycho.
FWIU the flight model is supposed mirror that of precision mode on the ships (obvs at a lower velocity). I think that they don't want to make it too complicated so that people don't engage with it or have a hard time doing other things (like shooting) in 0G.
I don't think that the goal was anything other than a way to get from point A to point B.
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