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Star Trek: The Great Netflix Watch

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DrForester

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DoctorWho said:
Balance of Terror - So Good.

The Star Trek movies need to look to this for how to do ship battles. Wrath of Khan got it right.


Star Trek VI to a little lesser extent as well I think.
 

FireCloud

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Been catching up on the Enterprise series since I missed most of those. So far, they're OK.

I've always been a big TOS fan. I don't see that changing. Honorable mention goes to TNG.
 
DoctorWho said:
Balance of Terror - So Good.

The Star Trek movies need to look to this for how to do ship battles. Wrath of Khan got it right.

Well both basically just emulated submarine battles, which really doesn't work in space outside of very specific locations. Make for tense battles of course, but not really how it should always be done.
 

keeth

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Hey, if this is better posted in the official Star Trek megathread, my bad - but this one's the more active these days.

I wanted to thank all the people in that thread (this one, too) for the recommendations to watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I was raised on The Next Generation, and gave up on DS9 a few episodes in. What can I say? I was not smart. Too young, perhaps.

After reading all the comments about Sisko's awesomeness, the show's multi-episode (and season!) story arcs, and the overall darkness of the show, I decided to try again.

A few short weeks later, I'm well into Season 4 and this series has skyrocketed to.. probably above TNG for me. It's just so well-rounded! Nearly all of the characters are interesting, even the ones that you wouldn't think would have stories to tell.

Quality stuff - and I'm really excited for the rest of the show. Thanks again, folks.
 
keeth said:
Hey, if this is better posted in the official Star Trek megathread, my bad - but this one's the more active these days.

I wanted to thank all the people in that thread (this one, too) for the recommendations to watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I was raised on The Next Generation, and gave up on DS9 a few episodes in. What can I say? I was not smart. Too young, perhaps.

After reading all the comments about Sisko's awesomeness, the show's multi-episode (and season!) story arcs, and the overall darkness of the show, I decided to try again.

A few short weeks later, I'm well into Season 4 and this series has skyrocketed to.. probably above TNG for me. It's just so well-rounded! Nearly all of the characters are interesting, even the ones that you wouldn't think would have stories to tell.

Quality stuff - and I'm really excited for the rest of the show. Thanks again, folks.
yeah, so good. Can't wait until it's on netfflix.
 

kharma45

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The Big Rig said:
Just watched The Defector. Wow, that was a great episode. Its probably the best episode of TNG I've seen.

I love the end when
Picard just owns Tomalak with his brinkmanship. When those Klingon ships de-cloak it's just damn good
, one of my favourite endings to a TNG episode.
 

Tobor

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kharma45 said:
I love the end when
Picard just owns Tomalak with his brinkmanship. When those Klingon ships de-cloak it's just damn good
, one of my favourite endings to a TNG episode.
Agreed, great episode. Just finished rewatching it tonight.

Halfway through season 3 of my rewatch, and the worst episode of TNG so far:

Samaritan Snare. Absolutely terrible.
 

DrForester

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Tobor said:
Agreed, great episode. Just finished rewatching it tonight.

Halfway through season 3 of my rewatch, and the worst episode of TNG so far:

Samaritan Snare. Absolutely terrible.


Bad episode but by no means the worst.

Three worst episodes of TNG.

The Game
Genesis
Sub Rosa (far and away the single worst)
 

Tobor

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DrForester said:
Bad episode but by no means the worst.

Three worst episodes of TNG.

The Game
Genesis
Sub Rosa (far and away the single worst)
Were any of those before Samaritan Snare? If they were, they didn't stick out to me. If they're after, I haven't gotten that far, and don't remember titles from previous viewings.(I haven't watched most of TNG since the original airings).
 

DrForester

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Tobor said:
Were any of those before Samaritan Snare? If they were, they didn't stick out to me. If they're after, I haven't gotten that far, and don't remember titles from previous viewings.(I haven't watched most of TNG since the original airings).


No, The Game is Season 5, other two are both season 7 I think.
 
Finished all the TOS episodes recommended. My first trip into TOS and it really was fascinating. The camera-work feels very modern for that period of television and I like the action-continues-as-credits-begin-to-roll thing that's employed. I now understand why Star Trek is the landmark franchise that it is. It's 2011 and even I can barely conceive of such a show being created in the 60s. Gene Roddenberry is a genius.

Beyond that, Shatner and Nimoy are leagues ahead of everyone else: as actors and in their characters, they carry the show into becoming something special, more than the sum of its parts. Otherwise, the controversy around The City on the Edge of Forever now actually matters to me! I do sympathize with Ellison as it definitely would've felt like a commentary on Vietnam at the time, but outside that intention, the televised version works extremely well. The prior versions just seem way too convoluted in their attempts to relate Edith's importance to history. The televised version has a cohesive, demonstrably cogent message well-hinged on WWII.

I remember being a DS9 lover as a kid but little beyond that, and I never touched TNG beyond the movies, so entering the next leg of Trek will continue to be an adventure. Onto the TNG pilot now!
 

DrForester

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Tobor said:
I await their awfulness eagerly. :)

Season 7 was not that good, outside a few episodes and the absolutely phenomenal finale. It was mostly either good episode or crap episode, few middle of the road ones.
 

Xamdou

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keeth said:
Hey, if this is better posted in the official Star Trek megathread, my bad - but this one's the more active these days.

I wanted to thank all the people in that thread (this one, too) for the recommendations to watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I was raised on The Next Generation, and gave up on DS9 a few episodes in. What can I say? I was not smart. Too young, perhaps.

After reading all the comments about Sisko's awesomeness, the show's multi-episode (and season!) story arcs, and the overall darkness of the show, I decided to try again.

A few short weeks later, I'm well into Season 4 and this series has skyrocketed to.. probably above TNG for me. It's just so well-rounded! Nearly all of the characters are interesting, even the ones that you wouldn't think would have stories to tell.

Quality stuff - and I'm really excited for the rest of the show. Thanks again, folks.

To me Deep Space Nine is the most epic series, my favorite character in all Star Trek existence is Odo :O!
 

Quick

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Random thoughts from a casual fan:

I'm guessing I'm in the minority that actually liked Enterprise. Seriously questionable decisions regarding the direction of the show (the whole finale takes the crown for this).

I've also never seen TNG in its entirety, but I've seen a majority of it, including the two-part finale.
 

DrForester

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Quick said:
Random thoughts from a casual fan:

I'm guessing I'm in the minority that actually liked Enterprise. Seriously questionable decisions regarding the direction of the show (the whole finale takes the crown for this).

I've also never seen TNG in its entirety, but I've seen a majority of it, including the two-part finale.


TNG's finale is just amazing, one of the best series finales ever. A direct sequel to the very first episode and was just handled perfectly.
 

mjc

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Did Troi always have this ridiculous quasi-Russian accent? I don't recall her talking like this later in the show/in the movies.
 

Quick

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DrForester said:
TNG's finale is just amazing, one of the best series finales ever. A direct sequel to the very first episode and was just handled perfectly.

I'm with you on that one. One of the best finales I've seen in television. The end was perfect. And I'd totally bone Dr. Crusher.

More on Enterprise's finale. I hate how they made the premise a holodeck program with Riker and Troi popping in and out, and how it relates to a TNG episode. Frakes was way too old for the role (and too fat, lulz). Sitris as Troi was slightly more believable. Killing off Trip unexpectedly was a bonehead decision.
 

Walshicus

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mjc said:
Did Troi always have this ridiculous quasi-Russian accent? I don't recall her talking like this later in the show/in the movies.
She was supposed to sound and look slightly Greek. That kind of slips a little each series however.
 
DrForester said:
Bad episode but by no means the worst.

Three worst episodes of TNG.

The Game
Genesis
Sub Rosa (far and away the single worst)

Sub Rosa is bad. Shades of Gray is almost as terrible.
It's a Riker clip show. IN SEASON 2.
 

DrForester

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NihonTiger90 said:
Sub Rosa is bad. Shades of Gray is almost as terrible.
It's a Riker clip show. IN SEASON 2.

Shades of Grey is bad, but I can give it a pass over those other three because it came as a result of the strike, and them blowing their budget on Q-Who to introduce The Borg.
 

DrForester

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Xamdou said:
Is it going to be HD at least since their making us wait that long?


No, there is HD only for TOS because of the remasters, and Enterprise, because it was filmed in HD. Paramount has indicated the MIGHT HD up TNG at some point. Problem is TNG had many dynamic shots with characters in front of the view screen and such that makes the HD upgrade much more time consuming than the TOS remastering job.
 

DrForester

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Schmattakopf said:
The Menagerie Part 1 and 2 ... did the pilot not air or something and they just had to get the footage in somehow?


Pretty much. Paramount was not pleased with the first pilot, but like it enough to give Rodenberry a 2nd chance. When they fell behind in production, they came up with that episode to reuse the footage and get them back on schedule.
 

DeadTrees

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Xamdou said:
Is it going to be HD at least since their making us wait that long?
There's not a snowball's chance in hell* of DS9 or Voyager ever getting HD transfers.

*Unless they become massive cash cows for Paramount on Netflix.
 
DrForester said:
Pretty much. Paramount was not pleased with the first pilot, but like it enough to give Rodenberry a 2nd chance. When they fell behind in production, they came up with that episode to reuse the footage and get them back on schedule.
I didn't really like the pilot, but the reused footage with the context footage was twice as bad.
 

Cheerilee

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DrForester said:
Pretty much. Paramount was not pleased with the first pilot, but like it enough to give Rodenberry a 2nd chance. When they fell behind in production, they came up with that episode to reuse the footage and get them back on schedule.
According to Wikipedia, it wasn't that they liked The Cage enough to try again, it was that they liked how Roddenberry had verbally pitched the series idea to them. They thought The Cage sucked, but they still wanted the show that he had passionately described to them.

Then they asked him to deliver three different scripts for new pilot episodes, and they'd pick one of them which they liked, and he could turn that one into the new pilot. They picked the only script of the three pilot scripts (four if you count The Cage) which wasn't actually written by Roddenberry. (LOL)

After they liked the new pilot (Where No Man Has Gone Before), Roddenberry got control of the series, and his pilot scripts came back as regular episodes.
 

dalin80

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Sir Fragula said:
She was supposed to sound and look slightly Greek. That kind of slips a little each series however.


Well marina sirtis is English with Greek parents and working in the states, that's bound to give you a bit of a dodgy accent to begin with.
 
DrForester said:
Shades of Grey is bad, but I can give it a pass over those other three because it came as a result of the strike, and them blowing their budget on Q-Who to introduce The Borg.

Forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.
 

Tobor

Member
TNG question: Is it my imagination, or do they always use transporter room 3? What's wrong with 1 and 2? lol.
 

ckohler

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DrForester said:
Bad episode but by no means the worst.

Three worst episodes of TNG.

The Game
Genesis
Sub Rosa (far and away the single worst)

I'd swap "Aquiel" for "The Game" on that list. At least with "The Game" you've got a hot, young Ashely Judd to look at. Aquiel is unwatchable because it's soooooo dull.
 

Qwomo

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Tobor said:
TNG question: Is it my imagination, or do they always use transporter room 3? What's wrong with 1 and 2? lol.
Memory Alpha said:
This was Chief O'Brien's favorite transporter room on the ship.
Transporter Room 3 just has a nice ring to it, really.
 

kharma45

Member
DrForester said:
Bad episode but by no means the worst.

Three worst episodes of TNG.

The Game
Genesis
Sub Rosa (far and away the single worst)

For a Wes Crusher episode I thought The Game was pretty damn good.
 

antonz

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C4Lukins said:
Just started TNG. I guess I never watched most of the earlier episodes. Picard is a straight up dick.
Yeah he starts off as a stick up the ass by the book guy that lightens up as the crew bonds.
 

C4Lukins

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antonz said:
Yeah he starts off as a stick up the ass by the book guy that lightens up as the crew bonds.


It is actually sort of entertaining. His emotional outbursts are making the experience of watching these episodes a lot more fun for me.
 

Tobor

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Watching Reunion.

"you will die slowly...Duras".

Oh, Gowron, you so silly.

These are great episodes, but I still maintain the Klingons are better as villains.
 
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