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[Technosteve]

the doctor was the only character i enjoyed on voyager.

 

[Mgoblue201]

Its not like the Voyager hate isn't justified. The series never rises above average except for a few shining gems like Year of Hell (

Spoiler

reset button. ugh

) and a few character stories on The Doctor and Seven.


They wanted to get rid of Garret Wang because he came into work late/unprepared and nobody really liked him. But when he SOMEHOW showed up on People Magazine's Top 100 SEXIEST CELEBRITIES they kept him and gave Jennifer Lein the boot. Who sucks but sucks less than Garret "I have no personality" Wang.

The most unfortunate aspect of Voyager is that Year of Hell would've been a great way to restart the show and take it in a new direction, but instead it summed up everything that was wrong with Voyager. They can't try to approach it with the lost in space angle when absolutely nothing was at stake each week.

Anyway, I'll wait until DS9 before watching any episodes.

 

[DrForester]

Its not like the Voyager hate isn't justified. The series never rises above average except for a few shining gems like Year of Hell (

Spoiler

reset button. ugh

) and a few character stories on The Doctor and Seven.


They wanted to get rid of Garret Wang because he came into work late/unprepared and nobody really liked him. But when he SOMEHOW showed up on People Magazine's Top 100 SEXIEST CELEBRITIES they kept him and gave Jennifer Lein the boot. Who sucks but sucks less than Garret "I have no personality" Wang.

I thought Wang did fine with what they gave him. He, like Chakotay was never really developed. He was friend to Paris, but it was almost like Geordi and Data from TNG, where it was always about Data, only compounded with Kim.

Funniest thing is that Voyagers best episode was a Chakotay and Kim episode. And that's not a dig at Voyager, the episode was genuinely fantastic.

 

[Escape Goat]

I think The Chute was my favorite episode. Whoever wrote that managed to develop genuine suspense.

 

[DrForester]

I think The Chute was my favorite episode. Whoever wrote that managed to develop genuine suspense.

Chute was a good one, but I still don't think it did much for Kim, just cemented Kim and paris' friendship more.

 

[Escape Goat]

Chute was a good one, but I still don't think it did much for Kim, just cemented Kim and paris' friendship more.

Oh, it didn't But we did get a sinister Janeway scene


Clown: I'm...afraid.

Janeway: *kneels down, in hushed tone* I know...


lol!

 

[DrForester]

Oh, it didn't But we did get a sinister Janeway scene


Clown: I'm...afraid.

Janeway: *kneels down, in hushed tone* I know...


lol!

?

Clown was from "The Thaw" not "The Chute"

 

[Escape Goat]

?

Clown was from "The Thaw" not "The Chute"

Doh! I meant to write The Thaw. I got my episode names mixed up.


But yeah, The Chute really formalized their bromance. Garret actually managed to do a little acting. I really thought Harry cared for his friend when he was waving that pipe around.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Voyager was awesome. I know there was shit. But the awesome was super awesome. The internet makes it sound like the worst thing ever. Not true at all. It was great.

Now Enterprise.... Yeah that was the worst thing ever.

 

[Skiptastic]

I'm in, folks! Watched The Cage and The Man Trap tonight.

The Cage was really great. I enjoyed it quite a bit (especially Susan Oliver and that one Yeoman wink wink). Also Captain Pike was pretty cool.

The Man Trap was interesting, but not the best. I did enjoy seeing parts from the Red Letter Media review of the 2009 movie, though lol.

 

[methos75]

Voyager was awesome. I know there was shit. But the awesome was super awesome. The internet makes it sound like the worst thing ever. Not true at all. It was great.

Now Enterprise.... Yeah that was the worst thing ever.

I just watched the first episode, it was better than the start TnG that is for sure

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I loved Voyager, myself. Especially all the Borg ass kicking.

Are you one of those people who never graduates from the lowest difficulty in RTS games because you just like to watch your dudes swarm the enemy base with little to no opposition?

 

[Walshicus]

Are you one of those people who never graduates from the lowest difficulty in RTS games because you just like to watch your dudes swarm the enemy base with little to no opposition?

Pretty much. Voyager ruined the Borg.

I really want to see *one* thing that Voyager did consistently which wasn't shit.

 

[Tobor]

Ok, I just started watching Justice from TNG. This has to have been some nerdy writer's dream to have a planet filled with good looking people who want to fuck at a moment's notice.

That is the best planet ever introduced in Star Trek. It's filled with hot 80’s people who want to fuck all day and they wanted to execute Wesley. Perfection.

 

[Zzoram]

Are you one of those people who never graduates from the lowest difficulty in RTS games because you just like to watch your dudes swarm the enemy base with little to no opposition?

Hilarious way to put it.



Ya Voyager gimped the Borg so hard. They went from 1 cube vs 50 StarFleet ships to Voyager > 10 cubes.

Voyager is a science vessel too, not a warship.



Also, remember the stupid espisode where the Borg Queen is talking about how humanity is so resilient and she doesn't understand how to beat them? During that episode she sends like 100 cubes to invade a planet. Um, if she sent 100 cubes at a time to Earth, humanity would've easily been conquered.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Also, remember the stupid espisode where the Borg Queen is talking about how humanity is so resilient and she doesn't understand how to beat them? During that episode she sends like 100 cubes to invade a planet. Um, if she sent 100 cubes at a time to Earth, humanity would've easily been conquered.

1 Cube nearly took Earth too.

 

[Zzoram]

Basically I just hate how in sci-fi, humans are always portrayed to have a unique quality that makes them superior to all other species, when it usually makes no sense whatsoever.

If a sci-fi universe wants to portray humans as uniquely special and superior, give us a reason!!!

Humans in Star Trek have no obvious qualities that make them difficult for the Borg to assimilate, the issue seems to be that the Borg refuse to send a real fleet to do the job when they apparently don't mind doing that to other species.

 

[borghe]

so is DS9 not on instant then?? I couldn't find a place to add it. Boo-urns if so.

Also Enterprise was typical post-DS9 shlock... not better or worse than most other pre-Firefly sci-fi on TV. However the final season of Enterprise I would put up with the best seasons of TNG. Coto was obviously a massive Star Trek fan and really made his season matter. His final two episodes were IMHO the greatest Trek series closers ever. And then of course Berman and Braga had to end "Trek on TV" on "their" fucking terms and gave us that shit with Riker and Troi.................

but seriously, if you never stuck with Enterprise... give the first couple of episodes a watch to get the premise, then skip right to the last season... real quality stuff there. amazing.

 

[Zzoram]

so is DS9 not on instant then?? I couldn't find a place to add it. Boo-urns if so.

Also Enterprise was typical post-DS9 shlock... not better or worse than most other pre-Firefly sci-fi on TV. However the final season of Enterprise I would put up with the best seasons of TNG. Coto was obviously a massive Star Trek fan and really made his season matter. His final two episodes were IMHO the greatest Trek series closers ever. And then of course Berman and Braga had to end "Trek on TV" on "their" fucking terms and gave us that shit with Riker and Troi.................

but seriously, if you never stuck with Enterprise... give the first couple of episodes a watch to get the premise, then skip right to the last season... real quality stuff there. amazing.

DS9 is coming, just have to wait another month or two.

Enterprise's last season was great, except for the last episode. The season begins with a somewhat rushed but necessary conclusion to all the bullshit temporal cold war shit. Then it proceeds to be the show that everyone thought and wanted Enterprise to be, stories about how things came to be the way they were in the future, done in 2-part or 3-part mini story arcs.

 

[Walshicus]

DS9 is coming, just have to wait another month or two.

Enterprise's last season was great, except for the last episode. The season begins with a somewhat rushed but necessary conclusion to all the bullshit temporal cold war shit. Then it proceeds to be the show that everyone thought and wanted Enterprise to be, stories about how things came to be the way they were in the future, done in 2-part or 3-part mini story arcs.

It ended just as it started getting good. Everyone seen the proposed design for the Series 5 NX-Refit? Looks fantastic:

Also, Shran was going to be a member of the crew in the 5th series. So much potential.

 

[DrForester]

It ended just as it started getting good. Everyone seen the proposed design for the Series 5 NX-Refit? Looks fantastic:

Also, Shran was going to be a member of the crew in the 5th series. So much potential.

If there's one thing Trek ALWAYS did well, it was ship design. Even Voyager and NX-Enterprise looked great.

 

[Zzoram]

Enterprise was fucked the moment they began the series with time travel.



I hate time travel, it always sucks and never makes sense. I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel this way.

For example, why would the Borg travel to the date of first contact to disrupt it when they could travel back to cavemen era and just start assimilating cavemen when they weren't that numerous and had no way to resist? Or even just irradiate the planet by dropping some nuclear bombs to delay the evolution of complex life by a few tens or hundreds of thousands of years? The further back they go, the easier it is to fuck with humanity's timeline of development because small changes have more time to compound.

As for temporal cold war, that was mega stupid. Alien Nazis? Why would they even need the Nazis? With time travel and other powerful technology, they could've done a ton of damage without the Nazis, and much more quickly.

 

[Qwomo]

I'm not a fan of ENT overall, but In a Mirror, Darkly, is hands-down one of my favorite Trek episode(s) ever. Absolutely blew my mind when I first saw it.

ENT needed more moments like that.

 

[WillyFive]

Basically I just hate how in sci-fi, humans are always portrayed to have a unique quality that makes them superior to all other species, when it usually makes no sense whatsoever.

If a sci-fi universe wants to portray humans as uniquely special and superior, give us a reason!!!

Humans in Star Trek have no obvious qualities that make them difficult for the Borg to assimilate, the issue seems to be that the Borg refuse to send a real fleet to do the job when they apparently don't mind doing that to other species.

Show: You suck

Watcher: Ok

I don't know, that doesn't sound like a fun show.

 

[Zzoram]

Show: You suck

Watcher: Ok

I don't know, that doesn't sound like a fun show.

All I'm saying is, if they want to portray humans as special, give us a reason, make up something. It doesn't have to be too elaborate, just say humans have more genetic diversity than other species, or say humans are more genetically different from other species than other species are from each other, or something.

Don't just say humans are the most special and superior when it makes no sense.



Also, saying humans are not special isn't equivalent to saying they suck. It just makes them equal to all the other sentient species, which seems reasonable to me.

 

[Skiptastic]

So something I noticed in watching The Man Trap. I think I had heard a while back when they released the Original Series on DVD that they had done some updating on the visual effects, most notably the ship and planets. It definitely showed in that episode when they showed the Enterprise and the planet...and it looks fucking awesome.

 

[googleplex]

Watching Star Trek: NG on Netflix just reminded me how much I love Lt. Barkly. I always wished they found a way to bring Barkly over to DS9. Would have been awesome.

 

[Walshicus]

Watching Star Trek: NG on Netflix just reminded me how much I love Lt. Barkly. I always wished they found a way to bring Barkly over to DS9. Would have been awesome.

They fudged him into Voyager instead, which was a mistake.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I am about halfway done with TNG now.. Man I don't like living in a era that has no current Trek on TV.

 

[googleplex]

They fudged him into Voyager instead, which was a mistake.

Not a mistake. "Pathfinder" is one of the few Voyager episodes that I liked.

 

[thetrin]

I am about halfway done with TNG now.. Man I don't like living in a era that has no current Trek on TV.

I don't like living in an era where the viewing public has no interest in aspirational television in general. Trek represents such an awesome future for humanity, and I don't think the average person is optimistic enough to buy into the concept anymore.

 

[devildog820]

I've been watching these in order. While some (ok, a lot) of the dramatic acting is the 70s style overacting, the foundation is solid. I was surprised to find myself liking it because in the past I just didn't get it. I like TNG well enough, but not the original. Now I get it, somewhat.

I also understand a whole shit-ton more South Park jokes, episodes, and references now. Van Gelder? Hahaha

 

[TheExecutive]

Just finished 17 or 18 on the OG star trek. Trulane was a special treat. This show cracks me up!

 

[Marvie_3]

I'm through about episode 15 of TOS. The CGI they used for these remastered versions really looks out of place to me.

 

[WillyFive]

I'm through about episode 15 of TOS. The CGI they used for these remastered versions really looks out of place to me.

I think it looks perfect. The special effects now match the live action scenes.

 

[mrklaw]

Enterprise was fucked the moment they began the series with time travel.



I hate time travel, it always sucks and never makes sense. I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel this way.

For example, why would the Borg travel to the date of first contact to disrupt it when they could travel back to cavemen era and just start assimilating cavemen when they weren't that numerous and had no way to resist? Or even just irradiate the planet by dropping some nuclear bombs to delay the evolution of complex life by a few tens or hundreds of thousands of years? The further back they go, the easier it is to fuck with humanity's timeline of development because small changes have more time to compound.
.

Do the Borg want to destroy Earth, or assimilate them? If they want to assimilate, they'll want Earth tech and knowledge. So going back too early to conquer them is counter productive. They want to defeat them as late as possible, to maximise what they get back.

 

[Zzoram]

Do the Borg want to destroy Earth, or assimilate them? If they want to assimilate, they'll want Earth tech and knowledge. So going back too early to conquer them is counter productive. They want to defeat them as late as possible, to maximise what they get back.

They want to assimilate everyone everywhere.

However, Humans are definitely not the most advanced species they have encountered so their technology is really not useful.

 

[Escape Goat]

Borg primary directive has evolved. Especially in the god awful star trek books.

As I'm watching some of the TOS episodes I realize they aren't as hilariously bad as I thought. Sure it was TV for the 1960s but they're telling stories worth telling.

 

[NihonTiger90]

As I'm watching some of the TOS episodes I realize they aren't as hilariously bad as I thought. Sure it was TV for the 1960s but they're telling stories worth telling.

Pretty much. It's kind of hokey at times, but in the 1960s, what on TV wasn't?

 

[Qwomo]

They want to assimilate everyone everywhere.

However, Humans are definitely not the most advanced species they have encountered so their technology is really not useful.

Well humans are just the best most perfect race ever, why WOULDN'T the Borg want a piece of this hot pie?

 

[mrklaw]

Just watched 'The Man Trap' and didn't realise it wasn't in the 'to watch list'. Surprisingly good. You can see early signs of the chemistry between the characters, and I like how you don't get all the loose ends tied up neatly. My wife pointed out that in a modern version of that, they'd work out some way to get the 'alien' out of his friend and have a happy ending. I like the way they handle it here.

And man is Spock yellow! Never noticed. In the first shot of 'The Man Trap' he's practically flourescent!

 

[Fox Mulder]

They want to assimilate everyone everywhere.

However, Humans are definitely not the most advanced species they have encountered so their technology is really not useful.

The Borg didn't want everyone, only species that would add some technological or biological benefit to them. Voyager even mentioned how the Kazon were unworthy of assimilation.

 

[The Librarian]

Watched "The Menagerie" yesterday. I enjoyed it for the most part.

 

[Jin34]

I don't like living in an era where the viewing public has no interest in aspirational television in general. Trek represents such an awesome future for humanity, and I don't think the average person is optimistic enough to buy into the concept anymore.

Well when you think about NASA being gutted in a bullshit attempt to appear to care about the budget it becomes harder to sell the concept of Star Trek. Also I remember in First Contact when Picard explained why they abolished money and I couldn't help but laugh. I will believe warp drive, time warp, beaming and even replicators but the notion of man just becoming this utopian society where the main drive is bettering ourselves is the biggest stretch of any sci-fi work.

 

[Escape Goat]

Well when you think about NASA being gutted in a bullshit attempt to appear to care about the budget it becomes harder to sell the concept of Star Trek. Also I remember in First Contact when Picard explained why they abolished money and I couldn't help but laugh. I will believe warp drive, time warp, beaming and even replicators but the notion of man just becoming this utopian society where the main drive is bettering ourselves is the biggest stretch of any sci-fi work.

The major reason we fight is because we live in a world of infinite wants and finite resources. The haves and have-nots. I can see that eliminating the problem of scarcity would lead to a utopian society.

 

[The Librarian]

The major reason we fight is because we live in a world of infinite wants and finite resources. The haves and have-nots. I can see that eliminating the problem of scarcity would lead to a utopian society.

The invention of something like the replicator would change everything.

 

[bengraven]

Watched "The Menagerie" yesterday. I enjoyed it for the most part.

Have you finally understood the genius that was TOS?

 

[The Librarian]

Have you finally understood the genius that was TOS?

I'm not following. :/

 

[elrechazado]

All I'm saying is, if they want to portray humans as special, give us a reason, make up something. It doesn't have to be too elaborate, just say humans have more genetic diversity than other species, or say humans are more genetically different from other species than other species are from each other, or something.

Don't just say humans are the most special and superior when it makes no sense.



Also, saying humans are not special isn't equivalent to saying they suck. It just makes them equal to all the other sentient species, which seems reasonable to me.

the borg haven't assimilated the kardassians, vulcans, klingons, romulans, or tons of others in the alpha quadrant. What's the specialness of humans you're whining about?

 

[Technosteve]

Watching first season of TNG why is wesley being made out to be some kind of god.