well i am for ADS, and i dont understand the hate for em
but i am 26
i like ADS, it makes sense to me, now that's not to say i hate games that don't have ADS, i just see it a s a different way to play.
Star Wars Battlefront will not have ironsights
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well i am for ADS, and i dont understand the hate for em
but i am 26
i like ADS, it makes sense to me, now that's not to say i hate games that don't have ADS, i just see it a s a different way to play.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
WHHHATTTT?
This just went from a "no" to a big "maybe?", fuck ironsights so much.
This just went from a "no" to a big "maybe?", fuck ironsights so much.
royox
Member
Ok I edited my post. I was refering to those people that will not get the game ONLY because it lacks it.
RSB
Banned
Seriously. Cosmetic ADS is annoying, but full blown ADS, with accuracy and movement penalties for everything, is just awful. See Destiny for example, why include all those cool movement options if you are gonna force me to stand still on the ground to hit anything? Ugh...
Run and gun for life.
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
What's the beef against ADS?
How often did do the storm troopers in Star Wars use ADS? Yeah.......
SpiceMelange
Member
"And the game has to be fun for beginners too"
I don't think that true.
If you want your game to be a big seller and reach a ton of people? Yes of course. For a quality competitive game? Not necessarily.
For exemple I got total shitwrecked when I first started playing fighting games, especially SF4. But I bunkered down and once I was familiar with it the game opened up and the competitive fun I have is unrivaled. It's very hard to not step on the competitiveness quality of a game when trying to make it accessible. For example I'm not sure I would have the same quality of fun with say Divekick, which is way more accessible. Divekick will be fun for 20ish hours, in SF4 I have 350hours clocked in and I still learn new stuff and improve my game each match and it's still super exciting.
I have the same exact story when I started Magic The Gathering and Hearthstone, Dota with League of Legends (I still learn new stuff in Dota 2 with over a thousand hours in it and the game is still amazeballs.), CSGO with CoD.
royox
Member
Well the last time I checked games like Halo games didn't had ADS and people still play them.
The Call of Dutification of all shooters. There's nothing really wrong with it, but if you're the type that's getting tired of the same-y-ness of the genre lately, ADS is probably the first thing to throw out.
Once again, I'm not saying anything bad about it but for people who are "casual" gamers might find it to be a deal breaker.
Halo 5 already broke that streak unfortunately.
FollowTheWind
Banned
Ever played Titanfall? It has more movement than most AAA FPS's coming out these days (and still more than battlefront) and still has ADS. Lets not be disingenuous and over exaggerate the issue. Not that I'm advocating ADS in battlefront, but if you honestly believe a lot of the weapons will not have some form of a zoom function and people WILL want to stand still, then you are missing the bigger picture.
Most FPS's are supposed to be a form of a military gun war simulator, do you see people running around and jumping while aimlessly shooting their guns (real soldiers)? So why are you calling ADS idiotic, it has its place in certain games.
Signet Son
Banned
Works great in Halo...I'm in
aparently it bad because its "N00B" or "Scrub" tactics. also its because "your sitting still while aiming like a idiot"
honestly i really dont know, maybe some of these folks had a bad experience with it.
FPS existed long before implementation of it. If they truly are casual they'll get use to something missing that doesn't even impose a skill barrier in no time.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
Maybe I don't get it, but doesn't he say, no ironsights but scopes...So if I have a rifle with scope, it's going to be ADS? And if no scope at all, no ADS. This would make sense, and player, who are used to Ads, just pick a weapon with like Holosights?
And these soldiers aren't real, thank goodness!
This is probably what it will be.
I think people tend to differentiate between sights and scopes. Aiming a gun with a scope would be ADS technically, but it's not what people think when they think of ADS.
That seems disappointing but I'll wait until I play it. So I'm guessing this won't have the customization for guns that Battlefield 4 has?
If it doesn't have iron sights but I can just unlock a sight for it I wouldn't care.
If it doesn't have as deep of an unlockable system it might take away some of the replayability for some people.
If it doesn't have iron sights but I can just unlock a sight for it I wouldn't care.
If it doesn't have as deep of an unlockable system it might take away some of the replayability for some people.
What kind of fun is it when the mechanics of a game make it so a players skill is almost irrelevant? IE aiming for the head in CoD is 100% pointless whereas aiming for the head in CS is absolutely crucial and you'll get blown up if you don't.
Black Ops 3 is coming out this year btw, maybe try that instead of Battlefront.
FollowTheWind
Banned
You ever watched the Star Wars films???????????????
Do you see clones jumping around doing 360 no scopes????
Nope... They're standing still and shooting, so his argument makes no sense.
No, people who like ADS might find it a deal breaker. The fact that they like different things than you doesn't make them "casual" gamers.
Good lord... I forgot how those movies were just cartoons with people green-screened in... the originals aged better.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
But than its all good, close combat, hipfire, far away looking through the scope?!
EA wants this game to sell 10 million copies. Accessibility is a must.
Also, a game like magic is by far more accessible than a game like say, CSGO. Mainly because in magic the turn based nature of the game gives you time to think and plan. In a game like CSGO you don't have time for shit. I never feel like I'm getting better or learning, it's just frustrating.
FollowTheWind
Banned
No way Star Wars 3 is easily the best of all 6 in terms of CGI ageing. I still watch that final battle scene to this day between Anakin and Obi Wan and the CGI is still amazing.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
You could tell from the get go from this game it was going to be more than BF in space. This game should be nothing like BF. It's Star Wars Battlefront and I can't wait!
SpiceMelange
Member
Oh of course EA wants to make it accessible, they don't want a 1k people online game no one is arguing that. (And yes this mean I think removing ADS is a bad decision fiscally for EA). My point with Magic is that it's less accessible than Hearthstone, not CSGO. Try to explain a noobie of Magic how you aren't cheating by permanently banishing his stuff with Oblivion Ring by destroying it in response to its first trigger while he calls you a cheater. That kind of stuff is just not present in Hearthstone.
Mufausa The 3rd
Member
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
I like both third-person shooting and ADS. Why can't we like both?
XANDER CAGE
Member
Let's discuss this nicely and not be jerks to each other about how we like our rooty tooty point and shooty games, please.
Yah, that one probably does alright. I'll need to marathon them before episode 7 drops.
Ignoring how CSGOs concurrent users dwarf all of EA's FPS games out currently.
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
I think I would like it as an option. Make it so when you're picking your map, settings, etc., toss an ADS option in there. Let the players decide and such.
derExperte
Member
The real E4-6 don't have any CGI.
RedAssedApe
Banned
#teamads (for certain weapons)
I THULSA DOOM I
Banned
And realize that there should be both and not just the same thing over and over. I can enjoy playing TLOU Factions and BF4 just the same. Variety is a good thing.
It's a core gameplay mechanic. You can't have both. It completely changes the way you move when in gunfights. With ADS your surroundings mean very little. Without they become everything.
Resident4t.
Member
Third person was definitely the best way to play Battlefront 2. I'm not a high level player, but rolling and spatial awareness was key. Shotgun vs Shotgun encounters basically became a dodge roll dance until someone got a hit in. Using a Sniper class in CQC was fun as hell too, but only possible in third person. I'm hoping that the third person camera isn't an afterthought in this one.
Also, holy shit I just realized that Iron Sights are the reason I hate COD multiplayer and love Halo multiplayer.
Also, holy shit I just realized that Iron Sights are the reason I hate COD multiplayer and love Halo multiplayer.
SpiceMelange
Member
TBH Valve's approach is completely different than console game makers. They embrace and support the competitiveness with tournies, prize money, and stimulate a game's population with well thought ingame economies. CSGO was a dying game before the skins update.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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By attempting to please everyone you end up pleasing noone. Either design your game around ADS or don't. Options for the sake of options helps nothing.