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[near]

Ubisoft obviously put time & effort into the Jabba The Hutt DLC. They just did so in a different (irrelevant to the player) manner.

Jabba's gambit mission isn't DLC, it isn't advertised on their website as DLC. They advertise the 2 upcoming DLCs and this mission separately. Jabba's gambit mission is basically baked in to the game already. It's an inconsequential mission to the main campaign, and a low effort incentive to upsell you on the season pass early. You're essentially being locked out of content that should be in the base game to begin with, which suggests that the quest itself isn't substantial enough for people to worry about if they miss out on.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Shadow of Erdtree expansion is gonna have good 40-50 hours content, meanwhile you would be lucky if this Jabba quests last an hour.....Are fucking kidding me with stupid comparison?

Better to judge content AFTER you play it rather than BEFORE anyone sees it. Call me crazy.

To put it another way, would Elden Ring be a worse game if it released simultaneously alongside Erdtree DLC?

Of course it wouldn't.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

It's an inconsequential mission to the main campaign, and a low effort incentive to upsell you on the season pass early. You're essentially being locked out of content that should be in the base game to begin with, which suggests that the quest itself isn't substantial enough for people to worry about if they miss out on.

Can't judge the content before anyone sees it.

If it's low quality, THEN you call it for what it is.

Ubisoft should be allowed to allocate resources the way they see fit.

 

[Aenima]

Can't judge the content before anyone sees it.

If it's low quality, THEN you call it for what it is.

Ubisoft should be allowed to allocate resources the way they see fit.

At least you already have a tag that fits your kind of mentality. But im not buying it.

 

[near]

Can't judge the content before anyone sees it.

If it's low quality, THEN you call it for what it is.

Ubisoft should be allowed to allocate resources the way they see fit.

It isn't good enough to be sold separately on its own, which is why it's part of a bundle that includes a season pass and 2 upcoming DLCs, it's a mission not an entire narrative arc.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

It isn't good enough to be sold separately on its own, which is why it's part of a bundle that includes a season pass and 2 upcoming DLCs, it's a mission not an entire narrative arc.

You don't know that because no one has seen it or played it outside of Ubisoft.

Again I ask...would Elden Ring be a worse game if Erdtree was sold alongside it at launch?

 

[Danjin44]

It isn't good enough to be sold separately on its own, which is why it's part of a bundle that includes a season pass and 2 upcoming DLCs, it's a mission not an entire narrative arc.

This guy has ZERO understanding the difference between expansion and day one DLC.

To put it another way, would Elden Ring be a worse game if it released simultaneously alongside Erdtree DLC?

If that would happen we wouldn't be getting base game until this year because AGIAN Shadow of the Erdtree is BIG expansion, in fact this FROM's biggest expansion yet.

Do you truly dont understand between expansion and day one DLC mission?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

If that would happen we wouldn't be getting base game until this year because AGIAN Shadow of the Erdtree is BIG expansion, in fact this FROM's biggest expansion yet.

Do you truly dont understand between expansion and day one DLC mission?

They both require time, money, and man hours.

Why do you feel entitled to demand content for free? You should never act entitled.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

People buying the standard edition wouldn't even know this existed.

Yes they will, since these bonus missions generally get added to the free reward shop.

 

[Krathoon]

Ok. So, we have to get the super duper edition to get the Jabba quest?

It is not in the deluxe edition?

 

[Danjin44]

They both require time, money, and man hours.

Why do you feel entitled to demand content for free? You should never act entitled.

Day one DLC mission is not even same scale as expansion like Shadow of Erdtree.

 

[Krathoon]

Yeah. They are trying to force you to get the season pass to get everything.

That is scummy.

 

[semiconscious]

still able to sell tickets. ya gotta love the guy...

 

[Pelta88]

Star Wars being stuck with EA for 10 years and now Ubisoft... How did this franchise deserve this

I miss old Lucasarts games

Before EA and UbI chose to MTX the franchise and the focus was making great ip.

 

[Syphon Filter]

modern gaming lol.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Day one DLC mission is not even same scale as expansion like Shadow of Erdtree.

Play games before judging their value.

 

[Danjin44]

modern gaming lol.

You say that and yet "modern games" like Stellar Blade doesn't pull this crap even tho their previous game was GaaS mobile game.

Play games before judging their value.

I played FROM pervious expansion to know they will deliver and worth the asking price, I dont need to waste money to know what this Day one DLC actually is, you have to be blind not to know.

But hey its your money, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it.

 

[near]

They both require time, money, and man hours.

Why do you feel entitled to demand content for free? You should never act entitled.

Just stop. $70 is not free. Your whole argument relies on the Jabba mission actually being significant enough to be priced separately. The time and money angle you're taking with this makes no sense because this mission is being released along with the base game, meaning they share a production schedule and budget. It's not a separate project. lmao

Play games before judging their value.

Sometimes sound reasoning and logic can help you deduce fact from fiction.

 

[Danjin44]

Just stop. $70 is not free. Your whole argument relies on the Jabba mission actually being significant enough to be priced separately. The time and money angle you're taking with this makes no sense because this mission is being released along with the base game, meaning they share a production schedule and budget. It's not a separate project. lmao


Sometimes sound reasoning and logic can help you deduce fact from fiction.

Let me remind you that you are trying to reason with a person who made thread like this.

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[MiguelItUp]

Day one DLC mission is not even same scale as expansion like Shadow of Erdtree.

Yeah, there's a huge difference between an internal roadmap that is actively working towards future DLC after the game releases, versus day one DLC of any form that easily could've (and should've) been present in the game. It's just another desperate attempt to get people to pay more (or preorder in some cases).

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Just stop. $70 is not free. Your whole argument relies on the Jabba mission actually being significant enough to be priced separately.

Yes! Finally! You're getting it! Judge content based on its value to you! I've been saying this all along. My brother in Christ it's good to have you!

The time and money angle you're taking with this makes no sense because this mission is being released along with the base game, meaning they share a production schedule and budget. It's not a separate project. lmao

They budgeted the base game based on their ability to sell this DLC alongside it at launch. The industry has been shouting this from the rooftops for the longest time and some of you are sticking your head in the sand.

As budgets go up, so too must sales potential/ceiling. Business 101 ya Commie ****ards!

 

[Danjin44]

Yes! Finally! You're getting it! Judge content based on its value to you! I've been saying this all along. My brother in Christ it's good to have you!

They budgeted the base game based on their ability to sell this DLC alongside it at launch. The industry has been shouting this from the rooftops for the longest time and some of you are sticking your head in the sand.

As budgets go up, so too must sales potential/ceiling. Business 101 ya Commie ****ards!

 

[Majormaxxx]

Nobody putts Jabba in the corner

 

[Trogdor1123]

Isn’t this the same as any game with season pass?

 

[Majormaxxx]

Yes! Finally! You're getting it! Judge content based on its value to you! I've been saying this all along. My brother in Christ it's good to have you!

They budgeted the base game based on their ability to sell this DLC alongside it at launch. The industry has been shouting this from the rooftops for the longest time and some of you are sticking your head in the sand.

As budgets go up, so too must sales potential/ceiling. Business 101 ya Commie ****ards!

They are greedy fucks. It's not budgeting.

 

[Guerilla Munch]

Galactic-tier cringe goblin…

That might be the most disturbing video I've ever seen, and I've been in the bowels of the internet since the 1990s

 

[hemo memo]

This isn’t new to Ubisoft or the industry. Worst offender was locking a mission behind specific physical retailer.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[digdug2]

So if they artificially delayed the content for a length of time and sold it at a later date, you'd be fine with it?

If consumers didn't know that they held the content back, that makes it a totally different story. If it ever were to get out that this happened though, cue up the pitchforks and torches.

 

[Jigsaah]

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Sure it's a scam. They showed Jabba in the trailer without telling people that was not part of the base game.

The comparisons to actual expansions are borderline trolling.

 

[DonF]

this game has a season pass?? I thought it was a single player campaing, wtf!

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

2024 Ubisoft is not 2013 Insomniac FYI. Crazy comparison.

Almost as crazy as comparing a legitimate expansion released like three years after the game came out to a cash grab mission locked day one behind a season pass.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Almost as crazy as comparing a legitimate expansion released like three years after the game came out to a cash grab mission locked day one behind a season pass.

Bingo.

Only I'm not doing that because I haven't seen or played the Jabba The Hutt content. That's what y'all are doing.

 

[Danjin44]

Only I'm not doing that because I haven't seen or played the Jabba The Hutt content. That's what y'all are doing.

Even without playing its very easy to see what this day one DLC mission is. If this was significant content it wouldn't be day one DLC and would have asked you to pay more.

Have you played CP2077? Remember after Edgrunner anime they released free mission about those character in the show? CPR give it for free because it honestly they didn't put that effort in to it, now imagine if actually charge you money for it.

 

[near]

this game has a season pass?? I thought it was a single player campaing, wtf!

It is a single player campaign. It's not your GaaS sort of season pass, it's one that is essentially a pre-order for the upcoming DLC with a couple of immediate perks. 1 additional mission not included in base game at launch, some outfits/cosmetics, plus two future narrative expansion DLCs. I suppose you save a bit of money buying the season pass now if you're sold on it completely.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Stop buying Ubisoft's garbage and let them collapse.

 

[JayK47]

They are trying really hard to get me to pass on this game or wait for it to be nearly free 4 years from now. Or wait for the mods to improve character model, assuming that is not hate speech on Nexus.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Even without playing its very easy to see what this day one DLC mission is. If this was significant content it wouldn't be day one DLC and would have asked you to pay more.

How many people worked on it and how long did it take them?

CPR give it for free because it honestly they didn't put that effort in to it, now imagine if actually charge you money for it.

I'd be as upset with them as when they released Phantom Liberty and I didn't buy it...IE not mad at all.

 

[PleazureDome]

Missed opportunity to not lock this level behind a Pizza Hut Promo:

 

[Danjin44]

How many people worked on it and how long did it take them?

How many people you need to make a single side quest for a game? That many.

I'd be as upset with them as when they released Phantom Liberty and I didn't buy it...IE not mad at all.

Again you are comparing expansion that gives you more than 40-50 hours play time compare to mission DLC that will last you less than an hour.

Have you not played any expansion on your life?

 

[Putonahappyface]

Galactic-tier cringe goblin…

Watching that sincerely made me homicidal.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Bingo.

Only I'm not doing that because I haven't seen or played the Jabba The Hutt content. That's what y'all are doing.

You don’t need to play something to know a mission is nowhere near as substantial as a proper expansion that took years after the game is out to create. This is one of many missions in the game, they just cut it out and put it behind the season pass to squeeze more money out.

I just noticed your tag though, high quality trolling. You baited a lot of us.

 

[Shut0wen]

Ubisoft + Star Wars, casuals will make it a success (sadly)

Itll be the next avatar, be okish but no one will get it

 

[UniformDeliverance]

Oh man I'm about to defend Ubisoft a bit here..

I mean this is pretty messed up, but if you consider what we know about Disney and how much of a cut they expect from game sales, and how much the game has to sell to meet that demand.. Like this isn't Ubisoft using their own IP. They need to meet their expectations, and the expectations of the IP holder in Disney.

I'm seeing this narrative emerge online that this is Ubisoft being greedy, and I just don't think I agree with that take. I think this is more of a.. project that started when the game market was on the upswing. Now it's launching at a time of decline and inflation, and they have a huge hole to dig out of to make back dev cost and appease Disney. In short, this is more complicated than it seems, I think Ubisoft is in an unfortunate position and know that their sales projections at $70 won't make ends meet, so they have to incentivize a percentage of customers toward a higher cost of entry.

Anyway, doesn't matter, if you don't like the practice, vote with your wallet and don't buy the game. But the hard economics around game development and the current market are what they are, these companies have to recoup costs, or lower the costs of development, which means lower quality games. So. idk.. I mean if the base game had everything in it, why would anyone buy the $110 version right? And they need some people to spend more because the general gaming public isn't going to be willing to go above the already steep $70. So how do you get some folks to buy in? You put exclusive shit in it.

Let's see how the game does. Bottom line. Video game market isn't growing year over year. Inflation is growing. Dev costs are growing. Star Wars IP costs buckets. So, you gotta make that back, so you squeeze your existing customers for more. If this turns off enough people, you won't 'fix' the problem, instead you'll have game companies look to lower those upfront costs. Less developers, less time, less IP projects. More Helldivers, less Spiderman. Not necessarily a bad thing, but everything has a cost bro.

 

[Sushi_Combo]

Just wait for a few months post launch, it will be discounted as per usual.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

How many people you need to make a single side quest for a game? That many.

So you have no idea.

Again you are comparing expansion that gives you more than 40-50 hours play time compare to mission DLC that will last you less than an hour.

No. Again, all I'm comparing are things that require time, money, and talent to make.

Have you not played any expansion on your life?

Irrelevant.

 

[Danjin44]

Irrelevant.

That’s what I thought.

 

[Billbofet]

It's like the marketing for this game is to make you not want to get it.

 

[Chittagong]

Not a paywall if you consider it a tip fam