semiconscious
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'more sense'? you're saying there's a scale of which unbelievable actions are more/less unbelievable than other unbelievable actions? aren't they all simply unbelievable, period?...
Star Wars Outlaws Wants to Be Your Dream "Open Galaxy" - IGN First
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diffusionx
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No, it's not. Suspension of disbelief essentially works on a sliding scale. Like if a work of fiction has dragons, well I can accept pretty much anything they want to say that the dragons do (as long as it is internally consistent). But if you want to make a work of fiction where a 100 pound woman can use an open, ungloved, unarmored hand to backslap a much bigger man clad in full protective armor, you're asking me to make a lot of leaps that go against things I empirically know are false.
The Ewok thing is pretty retarded now that you mention it but isn't that generally accepted that ROTJ is kind of a stupid movie?
OrionNebula
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semiconscious
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if there's a suspension of disbelief scale, it's not objective. this's why kids will fall for anything - their 'scale' is seriously compromised. so it's a scale that adjusts individually over time, which's why that african prince continues to rake in money with his emails. scamming works because some people, when they see dollar signs on the horizon, will willing suspend their disbelief ('wait! is this guy really even real?') in order to get it. afa your example, do you not also empirically know that, if you've actually been shot, simply slowing down & hiding behind cover will in no way result in your gun wound eventually completely healing? if so, how can you stand playing uncharted?...
now, afa the ewok thing: it's a dumb, lovable movie in a dumb, lovable trilogy of movies that were largely inspired by '40's movie serials, & which were intended to provide thrilling, action-packed, & wholesome 'fun for the whole family' entertainment, & it's the fantasy universe in which outlaws is set. & i think massive very deliberately chose that place in the star wars universe time frame because they're consciously going for a throwback style 'fun for the whole family' game, & it more than allows them to do just that...
TheStam
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I played so many Assassin's Creed and other open world games that follows their formula, but they always start to feel like work. I would like to play this one but unless they've shaken things up, you tend to see most of it within 15 hours and then do the same padded content for another 100 hours. "Oh look base number 15 to liberate". I'm going to wait for reviews on this one. I bet graphics are cool though.
Mossybrew
Banned
Man the whole issue here is she is hitting a trooper with a fully armored helmet, backhanded, and knocking him out. If shes hitting a bareheaded dude with a lead pipe, sure. Context matters.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
annnnnnnd there we have it. That is your real issue with this huh? You didn't think many of us find it odd you guys are in tears about a 1 hit stealth attack in a fucking video game? This isn't some new thing so I got to wonder why is this such a big deal annnnnd here we have it, it has nothing to do with this feature it seems as why the fuck are you not saying this on other games? Whats with this exact game where that is some issue, but bringing up the publisher, owner of the IP, its clear your issue has nothing to really do with this feature or the game in general and seems influenced by something else....
I feel many of you have an issue with the publisher or the owner of the IP and seem to have this idea that anyone simply playing a fucking video game or liking a fucking video game is now some declaration of war or defending this idea or that.
This is just a fucking game and not everyone liking a game or understanding how normal a damn feature is, is suddenly some secret agent for a company or "defending" the company.
I'm merely showing you this isn't a new feature or new idea and most of us don't care man. I'm sorry man, I got to put you on that ignore list.
lol Marcus Holloway from Watchdogs 2 is a hero in disguise too? or Michael from GTAV? lol I agree with why that is done in film btw, but its also done in film to just move the story along and its done in games as trope of "oh you sneaked behind someone and you now have +10 attack and 1 hit will kill em" lol
Action movies do this all the time even when the fucking person isn't the main hero, like the whole (we are kidnapped and need to escape, punch the guard once and he is down for the count) lol
So too many games and films do this and I have a hard time believing any of you would even be in some thread on NeoGaf talking about a 1 hit kill regarding Watchdogs 1 or 2 or GTAV or GTAVI or Uncharted or any of that. For something this common, this much of a trope, I don't really buy either of you btw actually really care as you've yet to even prove its some rare thing or something.
This game has never once marketed itself as some simulation, where you need fuel and can only carry a certain amount of weapons, you have stamina meter or the size of the character to an enemy having some real world effect, so I'm sorry man, nothing here suggest the game was even going for some realism thing to act as if her hitting an enemy from behind was this rare, wild, brand new idea in a game..
So unrealistic? Sure, but this is a fucking video game lol Nothing in this is to be taken as some documentary or simulation of something. That much should be obvious.
Sure but, that is kinda the point that is being made, dumb, sure, unrealistic, probably...but we are taking about a fake IP, the whole thing is fake.
So my biggest issue with a lot of this is what is the overall expectation of the property? Does the universe have this idea of realism when it comes to fighting or is this very hero based like they want the little guy to win based on adversity like he comes up with a cunning plan to win against the big brute dumb Empire ?
So even watching this film when I was a child and then again as an adult of course it's silly but I look at most of Star Wars this way most of the things are completely improbable a lot of them don't even make sense but this is not a science fiction like Aliens or Terminator I don't even know if I want to consider Star Wars a science fiction it feels closer to an action adventure in the setting of a science fiction but I digress
There is this whimsical fantasy and this suspension of reality with the franchise where the Ewoks beating the Empire makes sense because it is this feel good the little guy wins against the big guy type of ideology so I'm not really surprised that these little miniature fucks beat the Empire but I'm no more surprised that any character is knocking on a guard with one punch female or otherwise
This runs on that same James bond / Indiana Jones fight the slow dumb cumbersome bad guy against the wholesome good guys
So I'm sorry my friends I don't believe the majority of the comments that I've been reading about this property that are desperately trying to make it seem as if a sense of realism regarding combat from 1 person to another was always inside of the property I don't even see any evidence that was ever the case especially in gaming where this trope of some stealth attack being overpowered is completely a normal idea
I don't see anything unusual here enough to waste the time with a conversation like this.
You guys would have to prove to me that this is something never done in a game and completely unusual for me to ever care about it.
BlackTron
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
lol
I don't see anything unusual or rare or out of the ordinary regarding some stealth attack man. Unless you can prove it, it just sounds like you have an issue with the publisher, Disney or something especially if you believe me saying this is based on "defending" those companies
It has nothing to do with this feature being in other games btw, but to bring such a thing up tells me maybe that is the thing you are arguing about as to why you can't prove this is some unusual idea in a video game.
Not everyone disagreeing with you is on some side of a war man.
This is a just a video game man... have a good one.
BlackTron
Member
"Unless you can prove it" god there is some real mental illness here.
Yea have a good one. lol
BlackTron
Member
Frankly man, I was just speculating as to what reason you might possibly have to die on a hill this silly. It's not an accusation. But given your extreme response to it...
semiconscious
Member
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Frankly man, I was just speculating as to what reason you might possibly have to die on a hill this silly. It's not an accusation. But given your extreme response to it...
? that makes no sense though... i'm sorry man, someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean they MUST support some other side, my response is based on that this is too established and a trope in gaming to try to use this 1 game as some wild conspiracy
Its like anyone who disagrees with you guys MUST support some agenda or something, when in reality, sir I just disagree with you....thats it.
lol huh?
I'm not a starwars fan....
and this isn't a "hill to die on", I could give 2 shits if this fucking game had that animation or not, I've never bought a game based on any of that to care lol Using that logic, I'd avoid GTA, RDR, Watchdogs, Uncharted and so many games that have this lol
So if you are hoping to argue with some Star Wars expert or something, I'm not it. Me pointing out those things in the films is merely to prove a point on this idea existing in the IP overall, its not some argument of me being a Star Wars fan or expert or nothing of the sort lol
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
This...
That is why I'm saying what I'm saying.
I don't see any actual evidence that this IP has ever supported some weird realism thing.
Its like they are mad they can't actually fucking prove otherwise lol
Sure bud, cause you can't actually prove your point? smh.
^ This is why you are resorting to personal attack's btw, the moment someone actually ask for your point to be proven...
This is the shit going on in this IP....3 feet tall midgets knockout people in armor with a swing and a kick lol
But shit, your are shocked someone punched a Stormtrooper in a video game with 1 hit huh? Have you played games before? Have you watched the films in this series? Cause....that sounds like something that would happen in this IP
Pimpbaa
Member
I identify as an Ewok and I'm offended by your remark. Our people have been ridiculed for far too long and our song Yub Nub will be the real ending to Return of the Jedi once again.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Same. lol
I feel their fight with the empire is basically the film Home Alone lol
You'll be ok.
not that serious lol Its like you are mad I don't care enough about the IP to fit some argument or something lol
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Hudo
Member
I mean, I had fun with it, even with all the wasted potential.
Is your only choice really
BlackTron
Member
Is your head hurt? How do you take from this comment that it means I believe you MUST support some other side? It literally mused a question as speculation, then you went livid.
Thus the "riled up" gif. I mean, it's an attempt to make some sense of your behavior, not an accusation...but I already said that so I assume you will ignore it again...lol
Nobody contended conspiracy. That would imply an intentional plot to make the game dumb with bad attack animations. The only thing levied was an accusation of laziness/poor judgement of the developer. Not exactly an extreme contention for Ubisoft, is it?
Well whenever you want to stop dying and giving 2 shits, stop typing. You appear ridiculous dropping a comment about how it's not worth your time or don't care either way in every long-winded message.
There's a reason the Tala part was clipped out and posted to youtube with silly sound effects: it stuck out as dumb and ridiculous then too, in a badly made show full of baffling production decisions that many Star Wars fans hate. If it was perfectly normal, nobody would be making fun of it or talking about it. Now imagine matching a repeating attack animation to the one Youtube clip that got cropped out to make fun of with slapstick sound effects.
It was dumb to knock out a Stormtrooper by bonking their helmet in that clip and it still appears dumb in this game. Which is the real problem despite your manic desperation to make the problem about one-hit KOs while claiming to not give a shit one way or another. The bizzare thing is, you don't care either way, it's not worth your time, you're "not a Star Wars expert", yet have some HUGE problem with people having an opinion on this. What you've given is "the reason I typed 2000 words is to prove this isn't worth the time" you can't blame me for trying to speculate what motives you could possibly have to behave in this manner lol.
Edit: Some comments from this very board's Obi-Wan OT thread when that episode came out:
Star Troopers can be knocked out with an open palm slap on their helmet?
Sounds kinda similar to what is being thrown at Ubi-soft, doesn't it? But by all means, continue your bewilderment at this "new" problem.
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Shake Your Rump
Banned
Nice video. It actually has me interested. Add it to the list for the year. This is the year that, in January, was, "maybe two games this year for me". I currently have six games preordered.
This thread also increased my ignore list.
edit: oh boy, this game has the iconic™ early access for preorders and a season pass.
This thread also increased my ignore list.
edit: oh boy, this game has the iconic™ early access for preorders and a season pass.
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Toots
Member
This year I'm getting Wukong, Outlaws, Astro Bot, AC Shadows, and BLOPS.
I have Wukong and Outlaws pre-ordered. Will pre-order Astro Bot next month and then AC Shadows in September. Then my year is set because BLOPS is on GP.
BlackTron
Member
My empathy is great for any who preorder a Ubisoft title. I guess they are getting their monies worth out of that license agreement. Waiting even a few months will allow passage of the honeymoon impressions period and massive discounts. Wait longer than that and grab it for ten dollars.
I guess someone has to pay the marketing budget but I'll pass.
I guess someone has to pay the marketing budget but I'll pass.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
NIX: Buy the game just for me
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Buy the game, for him
Buggy Loop
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Maps not that big
The NPCs in the cities and their conversations that can react to your doings or give hints to things ala Assassin creed is a nice touch.
Animated sequences for ground to space, basically a nifty loading, kind of what some Starfield mods do now. I've said this since day 1 of gameplay footage and some peoples doubted me, well voilà.
Arcadey space combat but I mean, Star wars, expected, but not even as complex as Star Wars Squadrons, so little to no depths.
PC version demo had 1080p and no ray tracing
Incoming shit performance port? I can't believe they had no rigs able to run this at a demo session, cmon.@10:00 in the video, the pet Nix is attacking an NPC, gets out of animation with Kay right in front of him and doesn't fucking react. What a joke, this is the biggest irk for me.
His impressions is that its very good, but again, youtuber opinions after being invited to participate (ad).